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I rewatched the shootout, and like I figured a lot of the major complaints about it in this thread aren't really that true. There are multiple scenes of various people reloading their weapons. The protesters don't immediately run away because the explosion starts a block or two away from them (this is established in a shot of the protesters reacting to the clouds of smoke with several building tops in the mid-ground). The dude from Deadwood doesn't scream "oh gently caress" after he's shot, it's before he gets domed. The car can't move that fast at first (when Ani is chasing it) because it's in a cramped alleyway with lots of obstacles. Once it gets on the pavement you can hear them accelerate (there's a tire screech sound off camera, and Paul and Ray who are at the front of the building look that way), and they likely gain speed until they broadside the bus. This is essentially where the protesters are, and once the crash happens and the guys climb out with automatic weapons everyone reacts like you'd expect, and starts running away (although most are gunned down before they can escape). There are lots of other silly things about it (like how all of the protagonists survive and everyone else dies), but the nitpicky bullshit that people complained about largely isn't even what happens in the show. Part of this is poor directing, and part of it is clear inattention in watching.
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TheAwfulWaffle posted:Did the show explain what led the investigation to the pawn shop? I feel like I missed something. They namedrop pawnshops right when the investigation begins and every time they meet up at their detail W Earl Brown mentions he's been hitting pawnshops and will keep looking
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Jul 15, 2015 00:27
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C2C - 2.0 posted:My only quibble was the civilians just kinda' hanging around. Yea it would have been way more realistic if they had all been filming that poo poo on their smart phones.
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Jul 15, 2015 01:39
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I think the Deadwood connection should be explored. Frank is essentially a 21st century EB Farnham and the audience simply has not realised the extent of Vaughan's mastery of this role. Louche stooge is his Richardson.
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Jul 15, 2015 01:52
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Santa Muerte is going to be the cult this season is based around. The eyes being gouged out represents the hollow eye sockets of a skull. Tuco has been planning this since season 3. The Russians left because they're afraid of elite Mexican assassins.
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Jul 15, 2015 02:11
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sector_corrector posted:I rewatched the shootout, and like I figured a lot of the major complaints about it in this thread aren't really that true. Yeah, watch your post being ignored completely. People are emotionally biased and have already made up their minds. A big point here, is, I think, disappointed expectations. People expect the mystery to drive the season, for the characters to concentrate on it and the plot to follow it in some sort of linear, a => b, goal-oriented, maybe not as blatant as csi but almost, manner. Instead, everything is more diffused / chaotic / incidental - like the shooting, which basically came out of nowhere (and I kid you not, this was put in as an argument *against* it). People expect the familiar dynamic of someone who laughs at and ridicules the ruminations (hence the complaints of 'where's a Marty figure'?). People expect shots that will wow them from a technical standpoint. That's totally their right. But the whining where they get something that does not cater to them is frankly.... louche, yes. I mean, quoting Rotten Tomatoes unironically? It's 2015, for gently caress's sake. *Computers* are capable of acknowledging that people have different tastes.
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Jul 15, 2015 02:24
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JackDarko posted:Santa Muerte is going to be the cult this season is based around. The eyes being gouged out represents the hollow eye sockets of a skull. Tuco has been planning this since season 3. The Russians left because they're afraid of elite Mexican assassins. Cousins or bust: 
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Jul 15, 2015 02:26
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Anyone read 2666? A major theme was cartel parties with tons of hookers that they'd just kill and dump in acid barrels after the parties.
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meristem posted:Yeah, watch your post being ignored completely. People are emotionally biased and have already made up their minds. Wow, you're right. If we all just stopped expecting this season to have the things that the first season had such as strong acting, dynamic relationships, steady pacing, bravado cinematography, and a compelling plot hook, we would all like this season much more. You should look up the words "quality" and "content" and really think about the difference between them, because you don't seem to understand most of the complaints that have been lodged in this thread.
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Jul 15, 2015 02:40
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sector_corrector posted:I rewatched the shootout, and like I figured a lot of the major complaints about it in this thread aren't really that true. They aren't, this season is poorly-directed compared to the first and has serious pacing problems because there are too many main characters (none of whom provide the kind of exasperated levity Marty provided as a counterpoint, they're all just sad and wallowing) but stuff like "it reminds me of CSI Miami" or the weird hate-on people have for the gay rage thing even if closet cop is the worst character is totally insane. What if the truth is... somewhere in the middle...
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pugnax posted:Anyone read 2666? A major theme was cartel parties with tons of hookers that they'd just kill and dump in acid barrels after the parties. This is a work of fiction right? Right? 
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Roman Reigns posted:This is a work of fiction right? Right? Well, even works of fiction usually have some basis in fact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_Haigh
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Roman Reigns posted:This is a work of fiction right? Right? It's fiction, but it's based on the killings in Juarez since 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_homicides_in_Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez
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Jul 15, 2015 04:40
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Zombies' Downfall posted:They aren't, this season is poorly-directed compared to the first and has serious pacing problems because there are too many main characters (none of whom provide the kind of exasperated levity Marty provided as a counterpoint, they're all just sad and wallowing) but stuff like "it reminds me of CSI Miami" or the weird hate-on people have for the gay rage thing even if closet cop is the worst character is totally insane. I think the show would've been way better with Frank playing the Marty role and the writing being a bit more light with him, because then Vince could kind of act. Even a good actor would look terrible with some of those lines, though.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:47
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pugnax posted:Anyone read 2666? A major theme was cartel parties with tons of hookers that they'd just kill and dump in acid barrels after the parties. I was really hoping The Bridge would do this justice but they never got around to it and got cancelled.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:59
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Panzeh posted:I think the show would've been way better with Frank playing the Marty role and the writing being a bit more light with him, because then Vince could kind of act. Even a good actor would look terrible with some of those lines, though. Farrell's a genuinely funny actor as well and does quite well combining humor with pathos; In Bruges is probably my favorite thing with him in it. It's strange that a season with both of them in it seems so comparatively humorless. I don't know much about season 1's production history or writing process, but it felt like the main characters were specifically written for the actors playing them, and that's absolutely not happening here.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:02
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What's the name of the psychiatrist-guy back in episode 2. I liked the first three episodes. Noir-esque with a slow pace. But this past Sundays episode was by far the worst of the season, perhaps of the series in my opinion. The shootout scene was as if the writers felt they HAD to include something for pure entertainment purposes. It was and felt like a complete waste of time. Kind of reflects Ani's impulses.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:25
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Can of Cloud posted:What's the name of the psychiatrist-guy back in episode 2. Pittler. Same dude who was revealed in e4 to have been the mayor's first wife's shrink when she killed herself, making him connective tissue between Casper, Ani's dad, and Mayor Chessani.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:50
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Zombies' Downfall posted:but stuff like "it reminds me of CSI Miami" People who say poo poo like that have obviously never watched an entire episode of any CSI show. I think half of my enjoyment of this show is watching people who think they're too good for procedurals completely misunderstand poo poo that would be obvious if they watched procedurals. Oh, yes, you're too good for that. Uh huh. The show is called "True Detective." A tolerance for a certain degree of schmaltz should be understood.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:01
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Pittler. Same dude who was revealed in e4 to have been the mayor's first wife's shrink when she killed herself, making him connective tissue between Casper, Ani's dad, and Mayor Chessani. AH! Thanks. I'm thinking he's the "birdman" or at least knows who.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:03
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That Killer from Juarez was nick named El Pozolero, which roughly translates to the stew-maker.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:09
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Some of you really need to worry less about what other people think of this show.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:11
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At this point the only thing that can save this season is this much rumored about orgy scene with 20+ pairs of tits dangling.
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sector_corrector posted:I rewatched the shootout, and like I figured a lot of the major complaints about it in this thread aren't really that true. There are multiple scenes of various people reloading their weapons. The protesters don't immediately run away because the explosion starts a block or two away from them (this is established in a shot of the protesters reacting to the clouds of smoke with several building tops in the mid-ground). The dude from Deadwood doesn't scream "oh gently caress" after he's shot, it's before he gets domed. The car can't move that fast at first (when Ani is chasing it) because it's in a cramped alleyway with lots of obstacles. Once it gets on the pavement you can hear them accelerate (there's a tire screech sound off camera, and Paul and Ray who are at the front of the building look that way), and they likely gain speed until they broadside the bus. This is essentially where the protesters are, and once the crash happens and the guys climb out with automatic weapons everyone reacts like you'd expect, and starts running away (although most are gunned down before they can escape). I personally liked the shootout scene because it was a lot like one of the missions from Grand Theft Auto V, my favorite videogame.
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The story’s told With facts and lies I had a name But never mind
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circ dick soleil posted:I personally liked the shootout scene because it was a lot like one of the missions from Grand Theft Auto V, my favorite videogame. Aka a piece of shot compared to the San Andreas-esque one shot scene where Rust drags his biker bro out of the hood in season 1. That was a thing of beauty.
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Can of Cloud posted:What's the name of the psychiatrist-guy back in episode 2. Dr. Padolf Pitler. syscall girl posted:Aka a piece of shot compared to the San Andreas-esque one shot scene where Rust drags his biker bro out of the hood in season 1. They're just leading up to the one-shot orgy. circ dick soleil fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 08:09
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Vanderdeath posted:I know people dislike the opening credits for this season but the visuals are gorgeous and I think Leonard Cohen has an awesome voice.
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Jul 15, 2015 08:18
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ChuckDeNomolos posted:if the next loving episode doesn't start with Velcoro pulling out a long note and slowly collecting hard drives, porn mags, and sex toys from Drunk Detective's house and tossing them in a fire.... Gives it to his son. Something to remember him by.
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Jul 15, 2015 08:21
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Velcoro had his mustache encased in a lucite cube.
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circ dick soleil posted:Dr. Padolf Pitler. They better use all of the animal heads from the Black Lodge like Evil Dead had sex with The Shining and all the boobs are just clone stamped from Alexandra Daddario or I will stop watching this show I swear to Dagon.
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Jul 15, 2015 08:49
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Gonz posted:Velcoro had his mustache encased in a lucite cube. Yeah at least if you're gonna hate the show try to be funny about it.
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Jul 15, 2015 09:12
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Frostwerks posted:Yeah at least if you're gonna hate the show try to be funny about it. There was no hatred at all intended in that post.
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HOT SQUATS posted:I just caught up on the latest episode and I'm going to say I really like this season so far. I don't get why people are saying the shoot out was "hilariously bad" but I guess that's just typical goon hyperbole. It seemed like a competently directed scene?? Also they were a bunch of patrol officers and detectives and not a SWAT unit, so them approaching the scene all wrong and getting wiped out was fairly realistic. I can think of a number of similar, real-life incidents off the top of my head. The only thing I didn't like was the blatant plot armor. Agree, I'm really enjoying this season. The shootout scene was great in how dégagé and unprepared they went in, and how quickly it fell apart.
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Jul 15, 2015 10:47
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I liked how Dixon got killed by the trap he helped spring. Antigone is probably the only one the higher ups want removed; Paul is an unknown quantity to them and Ray is still useful as far as they know. They got a dead patsy and nightmare of media scrutiny now, the official investigation is probably over. It's up to Frank and his crew of questionable loyalty to solve the case now!
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Jul 15, 2015 11:02
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Ray sobering up is cool for his arch, I just think it was done too early - most engaging scenes of this season so far were his. In any case, thank god for Velcoro because CHRIST was Ep. 4 a snore. This season is...rough. I've been more entertained by this thread. That is not a good sign.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:52
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A shootout of that magnitude with that bodycount has to get national cover at least, right?
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Black Bones posted:I liked how Dixon got killed by the trap he helped spring. Antigone is probably the only one the higher ups want removed; Paul is an unknown quantity to them and Ray is still useful as far as they know. Pretty sure Dixon weakened at the end there: he wanted to wait for them to come out.
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Gonz posted:There was no hatred at all intended in that post. true, your post was actually funny. you get a freebie 
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BigglesSWE posted:A shootout of that magnitude with that bodycount has to get national cover at least, right? You'd think it may even bring in some federal law enforcement. ATF maybe?
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