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Making a mistake doesn't disprove them working together. It means that the Japanese team made a mistake.
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Belzac posted:What? Are you for real? Is it ancedotal if Koji himself wrote a post about it explaining the gently caress up in detail? That's like saying a confession is anecdotal. Why are you so angry all the time? 
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Jul 16, 2015 21:55
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why are you so angry all the time? Just ignore him, most everyone else does.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:55
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No, the EN team made the mistake. They changed the name of a monster cause it was too close to Titan and ask the JP team if that was ok. Then months later the JP team used the name they changed to for another monster. The correct thing would have been to translate the name correctly even if it was close to Titan. Now we have a completely made up name that isn't a reference to FF at all.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:57
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Belzac posted:No, the EN team made the mistake. They changed the name of a monster cause it was too close to Titan and ask the JP team if that was ok. Then months later the JP team used the name they changed to for another monster. The correct thing would have been to translate the name correctly even if it was close to Titan. Now we have a completely made up name that isn't a reference to FF at all. what's your opinion on subs vs dubs, and the usage of honorifics
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Jul 16, 2015 21:58
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Belzac posted:No, the EN team made the mistake. They changed the name of a monster cause it was too close to Titan and ask the JP team if that was ok. Then months later the JP team used the name they changed to for another monster. The correct thing would have been to translate the name correctly even if it was close to Titan. Now we have a completely made up name that isn't a reference to FF at all. No that sounds like a JP team mistake.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:59
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why are you so angry all the time? The Dragon's Blood courses through his veins.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:06
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How so? The JP team has two enemies which are both references to FF3 and the EN team has 1 reference and 1 made up thing cause they didn't want to name it what it should be. I work with localization teams as part of my job every week and most of the time "working closely" just means answering questions. A loc guy might ask "I want to name this thing like this" and I can say "yeah that's fine" but I'm not going to keep a cross list of what every language is calling every thing and all the special exceptions so I don't trip over the toes of one language in the future.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:06
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Yeah that's totally a mistake on the dev teams part rather than koji's, they came to an agreement about monster names and then the devs forgot about it after agreeing.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:08
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Belzac posted:No, the EN team made the mistake. They changed the name of a monster cause it was too close to Titan and ask the JP team if that was ok. Then months later the JP team used the name they changed to for another monster. The correct thing would have been to translate the name correctly even if it was close to Titan. Now we have a completely made up name that isn't a reference to FF at all. Jesus christ who cares
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Jul 16, 2015 22:10
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The JP team cannot fail, it can only be failed. Notice me senpai -Noted weeaboo Belzac
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Jul 16, 2015 22:13
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mr. stefan posted:Yeah that's totally a mistake on the dev teams part rather than koji's, they came to an agreement about monster names and then the devs forgot about it after agreeing. So the JP team should have altered raid design to conform to some email thread from 6 months ago from the EN loc team about how they don't like the monster name? You guys have a bloated impression of how much sway loc teams have in the design of a game. CN teams actually have far more sway cause if they don't get listened to people go to jail.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:14
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What monster name was close to titan?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:14
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There are a lot of really interesting posts about the process on the localization format, and they all point to a lot of back and forth between the EN and JP writers.Koji posted:I wanted to pop in to clear up some confusion about how a lot of in-game terminology is conceived. It is often (understandably) believed that localization has little to do with the game beyond translating what the development team creates for the Japanese version. While translation is a large part of our job, what is not known by many is that the EN localization team plays a large role in the creation of a lot of in-game terminology and lore which is then localized back into Japanese (with liberties often taken by the Japanese team so that the text might appear more appealing to their target Japanese audience). The rest of the post is worth reading too-- he goes into how player titles are in English in both the English and Japanese versions of the game, but different vocabularies are used in each because the Japanese version's titles are aimed at an audience that doesn't speak English as its first reason. edit: is belzac secretly that weirdo from the official forums who posted asking for a more literal translation closer to the original nihongo
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Jul 16, 2015 22:15
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Which scrip book do I want to get first? The Master or the Delineation? Master books contain new, level 60 recipes. Delineations are consumables that increase the number of good/excellents you get for a single craft, but can only be used on jobs you're specialized in. They aren't really comparable items at all.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:16
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Tenzarin posted:What monster name was close to titan? Acheron/Phlegethon. The primal Titan uses タイタン. Phlegethon uses ティターン which comes out as, well, Titan. So initially they renamed him to Acheron, but then Syrcus Tower had a trash mob called Acheron, so they renamed him to a different river entirely. Saigyouji fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 22:17
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cheetah7071 posted:Master books contain new, level 60 recipes. Delineations are consumables that increase the number of good/excellents you get for a single craft, but can only be used on jobs you're specialized in. They aren't really comparable items at all. Thanks!
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Jul 16, 2015 22:18
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Saigyouji posted:Acheron/Phlegethon. The primal Titan uses タイタン. Phlegethon uses ティターン which comes out as, well, Titan. So initially they renamed him to Acheron, but then Syrcus Tower had a trash mob called Acheron, so they renamed him to a different river entirely. The real lesson is that the JP people should have just renamed / let him rename the second mob, instead. They were adamant it was some sort of important mob.. and it wound up being a quarter of a trash pull that's most memorable for the Breakga other mobs do.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:24
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Saigyouji posted:Acheron/Phlegethon. The primal Titan uses タイタン. Phlegethon uses ティターン which comes out as, well, Titan. So initially they renamed him to Acheron, but then Syrcus Tower had a trash mob called Acheron, so they renamed him to a different river entirely. Huh? This is actually an issue for people?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:25
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Tenzarin posted:Huh? This is actually an issue for people? No, it's only an issue for Belzac, who seems to think the localization team should've just named the boss of Lab "Titan" even though that would be fuckin' dumb.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:27
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Saigyouji posted:Acheron/Phlegethon. The primal Titan uses タイタン. Phlegethon uses ティターン which comes out as, well, Titan. So initially they renamed him to Acheron, but then Syrcus Tower had a trash mob called Acheron, so they renamed him to a different river entirely. How dare they make it so mobs have different names!
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Niton posted:The real lesson is that the JP people should have just renamed / let him rename the second mob, instead. They were adamant it was some sort of important mob.. and it wound up being a quarter of a trash pull that's most memorable for the Breakga other mobs do. I think they wanted to keep the name because the trash mobs in Syrcus Tower are patterned after enemy fights in FF3, and that changing its name would have ruined the reference.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:28
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There's like over 14 different versions of Ifirit who cares. This is about a trash monster?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:29
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They should have just named the boss of LotA Τιτάν since the primal is a Japanese-ification of the english word and the allagan guy is a japanese-ification of the greek word.
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You guys are stupid as gently caress. I don't give a poo poo that they mistranslated a name for localization then got caught later. They could have named the mob anything and it doesn't change poo poo for me. I'm just using an example of Koji and his team in fact not working closely with the JP team as you all keep spouting mindlessly. For all it's stupid I like the en localization as it actually has some soul to it. You're just trying very desperately to straw man anything I say. Basically: Paladin = Knights and Knights have always had heals Loc teams don't work as closely with devs as you think despite what they say Shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 16, 2015 22:33
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You're the one tilting at windmills and picking fights, broesph 
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Jul 16, 2015 22:38
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Captain Oblivious posted:Final Fantasy was pretty inconsequential as a series sales wise before 4. 1-3 are fairly irrelevant in the overall gamer consciousness. Try reading this post and not getting mad, brohan.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:41
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Can we go back to DPS chat
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Can we go back to DPS chat I'd prefer to talk about lalafells.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:44
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Actually the Knight job lost its healing magic circa FFV, where the job was all about heavy armor, shields and the Cover ability. With FF6 the Job system started to fall to the wayside, but in FFT the Knight class was ALL about breaking poo poo.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:46
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Space Mako posted:I'd prefer to talk about lalafells.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:48
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Will the 3.0 main story quests get me from 50 to 60?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:58
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Will the 3.0 main story quests get me from 50 to 60? Not even close.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:00
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Will the 3.0 main story quests get me from 50 to 60? Not by themselves. You'll have a significant dearth around 55 for sidequests and other things and then more 57+. Run dungeons, they're good XP and gear.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:01
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i am tim! posted:Actually the Knight job lost its healing magic circa FFV, where the job was all about heavy armor, shields and the Cover ability. With FF6 the Job system started to fall to the wayside, but in FFT the Knight class was ALL about breaking poo poo. And yet Knight has white magic again in XII. Final Fantasy changes stuff and goes back all the time. That Break stuff for Knight in FFT ended up on Warrior in FFX-2.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:04
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Furnaceface posted:Not even close. EponymousMrYar posted:Not by themselves. You'll have a significant dearth around 55 for sidequests and other things and then more 57+. Run dungeons, they're good XP and gear. Oh, ok. I was thinking about leveling a DPS class and then using the 3.0 stuff for levleing without having to be in queues all day.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Oh, ok. I was thinking about leveling a DPS class and then using the 3.0 stuff for levleing without having to be in queues all day. But queuing time is bonding time.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:08
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Touchfuzzy posted:But queuing time is Nthan time.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:10
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i am tim! posted:Actually the Knight job lost its healing magic circa FFV, where the job was all about heavy armor, shields and the Cover ability. With FF6 the Job system started to fall to the wayside, but in FFT the Knight class was ALL about breaking poo poo. Paladins and knights in the Final Fantasy series have always been pretty similar unless SE decides to specifically split up the two. Paladins in FF11 were also known as Knights in the JP version, but have a lot of abilities that people would more typically associate with Dungeons & Dragons Paladins.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Which scrip book do I want to get first? The Master or the Delineation? Delineations aren't books. They're items that are consumed by the Heart of * master abilities. e: this thread moves too fast when people are arguing about inconsequential bullshit Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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