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This conversation would have been interesting 10-20 years ago, but media has been this way for a long time. Well it still would be interesting, this just isn't the thread for it though because it's hardly limited to just the topic of this thread.
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tsa posted:This conversation would have been interesting 10-20 years ago, but media has been this way for a long time. Well it still would be interesting, this just isn't the thread for it though because it's hardly limited to just the topic of this thread. Its not gone, its just not as frequently done. The fact it isn't going to be on the nightly news is part of the problem, but it doesn't mean investigative journalism is gone. And the fact that police make it harder to conduct investigative journalism is also a problem for this thread.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:54
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Dead Reckoning posted:The only thing that we know happened is that the friends of someone who apparently committed suicide don't believe that their friend would kill herself, and that her death in custody is being investigated by the Texas Rangers. That is not exactly a lot to go on. Also it is exploding on social media tsa posted:This conversation would have been interesting 10-20 years ago, but media has been this way for a long time. Well it still would be interesting, this just isn't the thread for it though because it's hardly limited to just the topic of this thread. One thing that is different is that not only is social media and citizen journalism a thing now but cell phone cameras are now ubiquitous. It is getting much harder than it was 20 years ago to say "a few bad apples" even with subpar journalism.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:00
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Trabisnikof posted:Defending lovely reporting instead of agreeing that it is lovely and that more facts out in the air and investigative reporting would do wonders for most police departments is a weird misdirect. Yeah, weird that I'm concerned with the 28 year old that was killed by police instead of the lack of journalism in the article. I guess that's what this thread has become though, point out the problems with everything except the failures of the police.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:06
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ElCondemn posted:Yeah, weird that I'm concerned with the 28 year old that was killed by police instead of the lack of journalism in the article. I guess that's what this thread has become though, point out the problems with everything except the failures of the police.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:12
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Mandy Thompson posted:Also it is exploding on social media Mandy Thompson posted:citizen journalism  ElCondemn posted:Yeah, weird that I'm concerned with the 28 year old that was killed by police instead of the lack of journalism in the article. I guess that's what this thread has become though, point out the problems with everything except the failures of the police. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 21:16
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ElCondemn posted:Yeah, weird that I'm concerned with the 28 year old that was killed by police instead of the lack of journalism in the article. I guess that's what this thread has become though, point out the problems with everything except the failures of the police. Part of the problem with the 28 year old that was killed by police is that we know so little about the killing. A huge part of that reason is the difficulty in conducting and paying for investigative journalism of police actions. Its all part of the larger issue of pro-police bias in our society including in the media. Also, no one is stopping you from posting your concerns about the incident. This thread can support it. 
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Jul 16, 2015 21:21
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Unedited video of Sandra Bland's arrest. Look's like the State Troopers applied the classic head+pavement=compliance strategy so common in American policing. Nothing in that video looks particularly combative, but it doesn't show anything of the initial stop or why the Troopers decided Ms. Bland needed to have someone pin her to the ground.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:26
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Trabisnikof posted:Part of the problem with the 28 year old that was killed by police is that we know so little about the killing. A huge part of that reason is the difficulty in conducting and paying for investigative journalism of police actions. Its all part of the larger issue of pro-police bias in our society including in the media. What is this post? 1 - suicide is completely different than "killed by police". 2 - investigative journalism hasn't existed since Woodward and Bernstine hung it up. 3 - "pro-police bias in our society".... LOL 28 year old quit life. Trying to make someone's suicide a major talking point in the "gently caress the police" crusade is wrong on a bunch of levels.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:34
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Genocide Tendency posted:2 - investigative journalism hasn't existed since Woodward and Bernstein hung it up. They're both still active, FYI- though a lot of their output has been quite poor.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:35
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Unedited video of Sandra Bland's arrest. Most offensive thing in this video is the cop telling the guy recording that he needed to leave honestly. Lady's talking poo poo through the entire thing and then gets up and walks away just fine. They even put her on the grass instead of the sidewalk.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:46
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semper wifi posted:Most offensive thing in this video is the cop telling the guy recording that he needed to leave honestly. Lady's talking poo poo through the entire thing and then gets up and walks away just fine. They even put her on the grass instead of the sidewalk.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:56
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Genocide Tendency posted:What is this post? She was pulled over for not signaling, which might as well be a "Driving While Black" offense. Then she spends three days in jail and is found dead from an apparent hanging. Now, if police weren't racist assholes, she probably wouldn't have been pulled over for an offense that 99% of drivers perform on a routine basis (seriously, it's like people don't know what a goddamned turn signal is), wouldn't have ended up in a jail cell for three days, and not found dead in said jail cell. I'm okay with saying, "gently caress the police," on this one.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:59
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Did the officer have a dash cam? edit; haha the current sheriff was previously suspended for racism while a chief of police, then fired after people who heard about the suspension came forward with additional complaints. So he ran for and won the sheriff's job and now the black people just have to deal. DWB indeed. DARPA fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 22:10
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DARPA posted:Did the officer have a dash cam?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:15
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Mecha Gojira posted:She was pulled over for not signaling, which might as well be a "Driving While Black" offense. Then she spends three days in jail and is found dead from an apparent hanging. I have been pulled over for not signaling in 4 states. So no it is not a "driving while black" offense. Did they arrest her for not signaling? And suicide is a mental health issue. The only blame that can be placed on the police is if she said she was suicidal and they did nothing to get her medical attention.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:17
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It was State Troopers who arrested her. The Sheriff only runs the jail. Although with that kind of resume I'm sure his jail is a wonderful beacon of enlightened multiculturalism.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:26
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DARPA posted:Yeah, I got confused because the sheriff said an outside agency was handling the investigation (which is true). The department that initiated the stop and effected the arrest will investigate themselves, as well as the people they handed their prisoner off to. ...except that the outside agency investigating the death is the Texas Rangers, which is separate from both the State Troopers and the local Sheriff. But hey, why quibble about facts, amirite? Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 22:34
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Dead Reckoning posted:...except that the outside agency investigating the death is the Texas Rangers, which is separate from both the State Troopers and the local Sheriff. But hey, why quibble about facts, amirite? The Texas Ranger Division is a major division within the Texas Department of Public Safety Huh, would you look at that? https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/texasrangers/
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Jul 16, 2015 22:38
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Mecha Gojira posted:She was pulled over for not signaling, which might as well be a "Driving While Black" offense. Then she spends three days in jail and is found dead from an apparent hanging. Failure to signal is not a DWB offense, if it is in your area then the issue is lack of white people being
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Jul 16, 2015 22:40
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DARPA posted:The Texas Ranger Division is a major division within the Texas Department of Public Safety What are you trying to point out here? That the Rangers is under the same umbrella organization as the Staties?
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Jul 16, 2015 22:42
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Genocide Tendency posted:I have been pulled over for not signaling in 4 states. So no it is not a "driving while black" offense. They arrested her for assaulting one of the arresting officers (she allegedly kicked one of them). The only video we have, though, is of the immediate aftermath, so we can't verify either way yet. Personally, I'm not crying a river over a cop getting kicked in the shin since apparently the response is to throw someone on the ground so hard they might have gotten a concussion AND THEN thrown in jail for at least three days. Because that seems like a measured and reasonable response to the situation in and of itself. And Jarmak: I'm not going to lie, the fact that it's so common here that I didn't even REALIZE it was an offense. Like literally did not know you could get pulled over for that. Mecha Gojira fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 22:42
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Mecha Gojira posted:She was pulled over for not signaling, which might as well be a "Driving While Black" offense. Then she spends three days in jail and is found dead from an apparent hanging. What I don't understand is how a "routine traffic stop" would reasonably end with someone spending a weekend in a jail cell (I'm assuming this woman didn't have a criminal history/warrant that would require her to be locked away). Like that's a normal thing to be restrained and kept in a cage when you're not a threat to anyone over a traffic violation. The apologists are so disconnected with reality, as if it's just a normal thing to be going about your day only to be pulled out of your car, get beat up and thrown into a cage. The problem is they've never experienced what it's like, they don't know how hosed up it is to be treated like an animal, to have no power and be afraid for your life. Mecha Gojira posted:I'm not going to lie, the fact that it's so common here that I didn't even REALIZE it was an offense. Like literally did not know you could get pulled over for that. There are lots of laws white people never have to be afraid of breaking, this is the world you live in as a white person. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 22:45
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Jarmak posted:Failure to signal is not a DWB offense, if it is in your area then the issue is lack of white people being ... That's exactly what would make it a DWB offense. Like it's the entire point of the idea.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:47
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Lemming posted:... That's exactly what would make it a DWB offense. Like it's the entire point of the idea. The laws says it's legal to selectively enforce laws, no problem here.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:48
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ElCondemn posted:There are lots of laws white people never have to be afraid of breaking, this is the world you live in as a white person. Right? I mean, I've stood in line at the Baton Rouge City Court house waiting to get to the traffic window, and in a double line that took thirty minutes to get through, there were only two other white guys in line with me and they were behind me.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:50
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ElCondemn posted:What I don't understand is how a "routine traffic stop" would reasonably end with someone spending a weekend in a jail cell (I'm assuming this woman didn't have a criminal history/warrant that would require her to be locked away). Like that's a normal thing to be restrained and kept in a cage when you're not a threat to anyone over a traffic violation. The apologists are so disconnected with reality, as if it's just a normal thing to be going about your day only to be pulled out of your car, get beat up and thrown into a cage. The problem is they've never experienced what it's like, they don't know how hosed up it is to be treated like an animal, to have no power and be afraid for your life. Not far back, there's the video of the naked woman who got a 20-minute talking to by a police officer for not respecting him. You have to understand that when the police show up, you are no longer in charge. And if you don't show proper deference, they'll make an excuse to force you to.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:54
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Genocide Tendency posted:I have been pulled over for not signaling in 4 states. So no it is not a "driving while black" offense. Just because you get pulled over doesn't mean that black driver's aren't blatantly discriminated against. Black (and hispanic) drivers are significantly more likely to be stopped, and to be searched, than white driver. The follow-up is of course "but you don't know that that's why this driver was stopped" - but when such a significant demonstrable racial bias can be shown, we should question all stops. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/ http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702 http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=251
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Jul 16, 2015 22:55
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Mecha Gojira posted:Right? I mean, I've stood in line at the Baton Rouge City Court house waiting to get to the traffic window, and in a double line that took thirty minutes to get through, there were only two other white guys in line with me and they were behind me. Go sit in at any courthouse (it's legal and everyone should do it at least once to see first hand how hosed up our justice system is), even in predominantly white areas, and you'll see minorities as far as the eye can see. Should the lesson be "minorities are all criminals" or "police are targeting minorities"? As a minority who grew up in Arizona I can say none of my friends growing up got out of that neighborhood without the police handcuffing/searching/abusing them at least once, how often does that happen in white neighborhoods? Devor posted:Not far back, there's the video of the naked woman who got a 20-minute talking to by a police officer for not respecting him. You have to understand that when the police show up, you are no longer in charge. And if you don't show proper deference, they'll make an excuse to force you to. I believe the system is designed to make people submit, it's all a weird dominance thing. Judges are to be addressed as "your honor", police throw hissy fits when you don't call them "sir" or if you disagree with their point of view. They all go nuts if you're not on your hands and knees begging for mercy, I'm not even being hyperbolic that's what these people want. edit: the more police and our justice system imposes their dominance on minorities the more we lash out and say enough, that's the point where we get killed or jailed or ruined. Then the system just shrugs it's shoulders and wonders why minorities are so angry/criminal. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 23:07
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ElCondemn posted:What I don't understand is how a "routine traffic stop" would reasonably end with someone spending a weekend in a jail cell
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Jul 16, 2015 23:13
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Kicking a cop is pretty much a guaranteed way to spend at least one night in a jail cell. Getting arrested on a Friday is always a bad idea since judges don't work on the weekends. Yeah, I'm sure the cop was just minding his business and she just went nuts and attacked him. The victim is such a loving idiot.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:17
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And we really can't take an officers word for poo poo when it comes to justifications, especially without direct proof. We've already seen way to many incidences of the whole "Stop resisting!" while being beaten/tazed or people ruthlessly dropping individuals for mere trivial contact or gestures.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:20
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Berk Berkly posted:And we really can't take an officers word for poo poo when it comes to justifications, especially without direct proof. Regardless if she did kick the officer or not it's all bullshit after the fact justification. When I was young my older brother used to hold me in a headlock and yell at me to "calm down" when he didn't like my tone with him, one day I punched him while he had me in a headlock and he freaked out claiming I went nuts and started attacking him. Can you see the problem with the argument "well you shouldn't have attacked an officer?"
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Jul 16, 2015 23:23
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Dead Reckoning posted:That is not useful information nor does it make it newsworthy. They were responsible for her death in that they were in care of her at the time that she died. Even if she killed herself, they are supposed to have policies in place to prevent that. If it turns out that she was profiled, or arrested without cause, that responsibility goes way the hell up. Jarmak posted:Failure to signal is not a DWB offense, if it is in your area then the issue is lack of white people being Literally what DWB means.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:26
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Obdicut posted:They were responsible for her death in that they were in care of her at the time that she died. Even if she killed herself, they are supposed to have policies in place to prevent that. If it turns out that she was profiled, or arrested without cause, that responsibility goes way the hell up.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:31
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ElCondemn posted:Yeah, I'm sure the cop was just minding his business and she just went nuts and attacked him. The victim is such a loving idiot.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:33
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Dead Reckoning posted:"Were insufficiently diligent in preventing her suicide" is very different than what is implied by "she would not have committed suicide" or El C's "28 year old killed by police" both of which imply that she was actively murdered by law enforcement officers. I don't have any additional information but I don't doubt the police killed her with their own hands. Rent-A-Cop posted:Tone it down a notch. There's enough poo poo in the world to get mad about without having a spaz every time someone corrects you. Calm down, you should take a breath before you post.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:40
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I'm sure the officers involved made every effort to make this poor woman comfortable and her rights well observed during her brief stay with the authorities. This was a terrible, unpreventable, completely self-inflicted tragedy and the thorough and unbiased investigation will turn up no evidence of malice, wrongdoing, or negligence on the part of the departments and individuals involved. Our thoughts and prays go out to the brave and heroic officers who have to live with the burden of this disturbed woman's unfortunate end. Also, lol.
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Mecha Gojira posted:They arrested her for assaulting one of the arresting officers (she allegedly kicked one of them). The only video we have, though, is of the immediate aftermath, so we can't verify either way yet. Ah. So she was pulled over for a traffic violation, argued with, then assaulted a cop. You know. Just a crazy thought here. But maybe... Maybe she shouldn't have kicked a cop. Also, when you attack a cop, which kicking them qualifies, getting slammed to the ground is not just reasonable, but frankly what should happen. Personally I'm not crying over some idiot getting their face smashed to the sidewalk then tossed into lock up for attacking a cop. captainblastum posted:Just because you get pulled over doesn't mean that black driver's aren't blatantly discriminated against. Black (and hispanic) drivers are significantly more likely to be stopped, and to be searched, than white driver. So wait. A white guy and a black woman get pulled over for the same reason. The white guy got pulled over for a traffic violation. The black woman got pulled over because of racism. Great argument. I bet the both of you would lose your poo poo over the OPD cop who put two bullets into a dumbass as he was being run over.
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Genocide Tendency posted:Ah. So she was pulled over for a traffic violation, argued with, then assaulted a cop. /r/Coontown is thataway, officer. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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