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Cricken_Nigfops posted:Oh god, please PLEASE DON'T END UP LIKE WIZARD. This should be the mantra for every series.
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Well at least people aren't making GBS threads on Decade now.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:34
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Potsticker posted:Well at least people aren't making GBS threads on Decade now. 
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Jul 16, 2015 18:56
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I love this image every time I see it. Why isn't this in the OP?
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Jul 16, 2015 18:58
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deadly_pudding posted:I love this image every time I see it. Why isn't this in the OP? 
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Jul 16, 2015 19:02
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Honestly, Decade was better than Wizard. Wizard was pure awful in everything but the costume sense.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:07
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Larryb posted:Here's our first look at Kamen Rider Ghost: 
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Jul 16, 2015 19:44
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Wizard owns, Decade owns, Kamen Rider owns. Watch everything, enjoy everything.
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Jul 16, 2015 19:47
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Potsticker posted:Wizard owns, Decade owns, Kamen Rider owns. Watch everything, enjoy everything. I have a counter argument. No.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:22
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I enjoyed Amazon taking out shunpei, but aside from that? Wizard was awful.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:27
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Holy poo poo Ghost owns. Ghownst.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:40
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Larryb posted:Here's our first look at Kamen Rider Ghost: Son of a bitch! They stole my idea! Granted, I didn't actually express this idea to anyone or did anything with it. But still... But if the brainwave detectors in TV Asahi got all of my ideas, I am now excited for Ghost as well.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:42
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Burkion posted:I have a counter argument. You caught me. Gaim sucks.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:58
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Ghost looks awesome. Orange and black are great Halloween colors.Potsticker posted:You caught me. Gaim sucks.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:01
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For all its issues, Beast giving up his powers to save the city was a far more satisfying ending than anything Gaim gave us.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:04
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Potsticker posted:For all its issues, Beast giving up his powers to save the city was a far more satisfying ending than anything Gaim gave us. Yeah, it only took Beast being completely pointless for the story for...literally all of his existance to that very point. And even there Nitou was the saving grace of that terrible show that embraced mediocrity in every possible way.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:23
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At least Nitou was highly entertaining unlike "oh we're actually going to drop your story arc and development so we can shoehorn you as a final boss" Kaito.
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Jul 16, 2015 21:28
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Potsticker posted:At least Nitou was highly entertaining unlike "oh we're actually going to drop your story arc and development so we can shoehorn you as a final boss" Kaito. Yeah that was some incredible bullshit right there.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:12
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Potsticker posted:At least Nitou was highly entertaining unlike "oh we're actually going to drop your story arc and development so we can shoehorn you as a final boss" Kaito. Indeed, poor Beast didn't get even the acknowledgement Kaito did.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:39
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Removing the two episode arc structure also ended up really badly. The idea was good, but what Gaim ended up with is having plots that would meander and never really resolve. Similarly the monster suits looked good, but Gaim ended up having less than a handful for the majority of its run and only really brought them out when what would've been some great designs were relegated to being as important as the mooksuits and getting very little screentime.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:56
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Caphi posted:Indeed, poor Beast didn't get even the acknowledgement Kaito did. I dunno, I never see anyone refuting when Nitou is brought up as one of Wizard's really great elements.
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Jul 16, 2015 22:57
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Potsticker posted:Removing the two episode arc structure also ended up really badly. The idea was good, but what Gaim ended up with is having plots that would meander and never really resolve. How's that? It didn't seem that way to me, but I also watched over half of it in one go instead of week to week.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:02
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Potsticker posted:I dunno, I never see anyone refuting when Nitou is brought up as one of Wizard's really great elements. No, but he is so despite the best efforts of the show, not because of it. He gives up his powers in probably the most heroic thing anyone ever did in Wizard and fades into the sunset, then in Promised Place he heroically gives up his newfound freedom only to job yet again. It may be quibbling, but I thought Kaito's character only degenerated insofar as the show's general treatment of Mai did.
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Jul 16, 2015 23:03
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Caphi posted:No, but he is so despite the best efforts of the show, not because of it. He gives up his powers in probably the most heroic thing anyone ever did in Wizard and fades into the sunset, then in Promised Place he heroically gives up his newfound freedom only to job yet again. I kind of feel bad about the posting I did near the end of Wizard about how Mage was treated because Gaim treated Marika and Mai so much worse as it got rolling. Not that Wizard did that great of a job with Rinko, but Gaim really did poorly with all of its characters regardless of gender. WickedHate posted:How's that? It didn't seem that way to me, but I also watched over half of it in one go instead of week to week. Week to week was pretty bad. I will admit though that reading the banned creepy pedophile OP of the Gaim thread every week post how amazing each episode effected my viewing enjoyment. Even episodes that I thought weren't that bad I started to pick apart. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gaim was an interesting experiment that maybe succeeded in some aspects but failed in others. Sometimes I wonder if maybe Urobuchi would have been a better fit for a series more like Wizard, with motifs and themes that are close to a lot of his work. Of course, an Urobuchi Wizard would have just been Fate/Zero, but that's not a bad thing.
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Potsticker posted:Removing the two episode arc structure also ended up really badly. The idea was good, but what Gaim ended up with is having plots that would meander and never really resolve. Similarly the monster suits looked good, but Gaim ended up having less than a handful for the majority of its run and only really brought them out when what would've been some great designs were relegated to being as important as the mooksuits and getting very little screentime. I've got to disagree on this. The two episode structure didn't bother me that much for W because they actually had the detective plot stuff going on, but it really started to grind on me for OOOs, I found Fourze to be one of the worst series ever, and I couldn't even finish Wizard. It removes all question of whether or not a given monster will be sticking around, aside from a few outliers, and it made the first episode of most two-episode arcs feel *really* pointless since, again, most monsters would never be defeated the first episode they showed up. Gaim was fantastic because the plot actually got interesting again... your 'meandering' is my 'unpredictability'.
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Potsticker posted:I will admit though that reading the banned creepy pedophile OP of the Gaim thread every week post how amazing each episode effected my viewing enjoyment. Wait, what?
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WickedHate posted:Wait, what? He's also the OP of the Madoka thread if the Gaim thread has fallen into the archives. Son Ryo posted:I've got to disagree on this. The two episode structure didn't bother me that much for W because they actually had the detective plot stuff going on, but it really started to grind on me for OOOs, I found Fourze to be one of the worst series ever, and I couldn't even finish Wizard. It removes all question of whether or not a given monster will be sticking around, aside from a few outliers, and it made the first episode of most two-episode arcs feel *really* pointless since, again, most monsters would never be defeated the first episode they showed up. Gaim was fantastic because the plot actually got interesting again... your 'meandering' is my 'unpredictability'. Like I don't know what to say if knowing that the monsters are going to get beaten and the heroes will prevail dampens your enjoyment of a show.
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Potsticker posted:I kind of feel bad about the posting I did near the end of Wizard about how Mage was treated because Gaim treated Marika and Mai so much worse as it got rolling. Not that Wizard did that great of a job with Rinko, but Gaim really did poorly with all of its characters regardless of gender. Aha, You know, one creepy motherfucker can ruin an entire show, I won't hold that against you. But gently caress you for suggesting that any part of Wizard was at all good and/or competently handled. That show was wasted potential pissed down the leg of mediocrity.
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Potsticker posted:Like I don't know what to say if knowing that the monsters are going to get beaten and the heroes will prevail dampens your enjoyment of a show. Obviously they will eventually. But it's not like the plot of these shows is super deep, so knowing exactly WHEN they'll prevail does dampen it. One thing Gaim did well was that a lot of what would have been monster-of-the-week designs lasted for several episodes and had an actual lasting effect on the plot, instead of just being tied to 'well, we need a monster to kill for these two episodes'.
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Cricken_Nigfops posted:Aha, Wizard isn't really terrible in and of itself. It's terrible because it didn't actually try to do anything with what it had which made it meanderingly average. Other Rider shows, for all their flaws at least tried to leap towards something different. Gaim tried to change up the entire formula, for example, and while it did fail in some aspects like how it handled it Secondary Riders, its disentangling from the two episode structure helped keep things moving and made it really feel like things were going on at a serious pace given the scale of the events. Wizard is not bad. But it's definitely not good.
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Cricken_Nigfops posted:That show was wasted potential pissed down the leg of mediocrity. I totally agree. Doubly so after watching that detective drama where Haruto plays a Shunpei-like character and you see just how wasted the actor was. Or that-- net movie I think. The Dragon Quest spoof where the cast is having such fun and its like, this is what Wizard is missing.
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Potsticker posted:I totally agree. Doubly so after watching that detective drama where Haruto plays a Shunpei-like character and you see just how wasted the actor was. Or that-- net movie I think. The Dragon Quest spoof where the cast is having such fun and its like, this is what Wizard is missing. Pic related for wasted potential. 
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Son Ryo posted:One thing Gaim did well was that a lot of what would have been monster-of-the-week designs lasted for several episodes and had an actual lasting effect on the plot, instead of just being tied to 'well, we need a monster to kill for these two episodes'. Did you watch some other Gaim that actually used more than three monster of the week level suits and used them as a focus for more than two weeks? And they got reused so much they had no individual identity. It was worse than Faiz which had unique suits ahow up just so there was something to take a finishing attack or Kabuto where only the main character could finish off the monster.
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maybeflan posted:Pic related for wasted potential. Thank you for this.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:21
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I think you'll find that Faiz is actually super bad
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Nobody's saying it isn't.
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Literally The Worst posted:I think you'll find that Faiz is actually super bad
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Literally The Worst posted:I think you'll find that Faiz is actually super bad All Kamen Rider owns. Zedd posted:The rider designs own. 
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Potsticker posted:Did you watch some other Gaim that actually used more than three monster of the week level suits and used them as a focus for more than two weeks? And they got reused so much they had no individual identity. It was worse than Faiz which had unique suits ahow up just so there was something to take a finishing attack or Kabuto where only the main character could finish off the monster. Them having no individual identity was part of the point to show a general sort of escalation in the strength of Hellheim's forces beyond sheer numbers. Mook Invess were originally just slightly more dangerous than cannon fodder while MotW suits were legitimate threats. By the time the end game of the series rolls around, those MotW monsters are basically at the level of mook behind any of the Overlords.
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