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triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



triple sulk posted:

rip homejoy. another one bites the dust

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8794956

quote:

dear future homejoy engineer,
so it's xmas eve and i'm in the office with several other folks who didn’t have plans for xmas either. everyone is cranking away. we’ve decided to watch the interview later and then get dinner and drinks together.

personally i'm fixing bugs and adding features to an internal tool i've built to increase transparency and communication. mark, our vp of engineering, is mulling over some scaling project. chris is putting the finishing touches on the app that all our service providers use to get jobs everyday. dima is messing around with an algorithm that’ll predict our future service level capabilities. ankit is iterating on our payments infrastructure. sid is revamping some of our cs tools. ratih is re-configuring her data dumps to match our recent metrics migration. she’s also the one playing the pop music. i think i just heard britney spears.

right now i’m taking a quick break and after a quick lap around the office, i notice actually many more people here. i wonder — how am i so fortunate to be the ceo of a startup where people are so driven? don't get me wrong, many other homejoy folks are back home celebrating a proper xmas with family as they should definitely do! but for others, they could be doing something else on xmas eve and xmas. yet they chose to work on making homejoy better.

i can't be 100% sure but i think people choose to work here because they believe homejoy is not just another cool startup; it’s a mission; it's a passion. we're building things that enable and will change the way people live and work. this is not an overnight venture; we know it'll take a long time, and we’re all committed to it.

given the holidays, my calendar is somewhat lean so if you're around the sf bay area before the new year and think homejoy might be a place for you, shoot me an email (adora@homejoy.com). would love to meet up and tell you more.

talk soon, adora

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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005


lmfao

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
:cb:

quote:

Dear Homejoy Community,

In 2012, my brother Aaron and I had a vision. We imagined a platform where people could find and offer any home service, from cleaning to carpentry, with the click of a button. Our dream was to help people keep their homes clean and cared for – and empower our partners to enjoy flexible work so they could study, raise families or ease into retirement.

So, we put on those bright, yellow gloves and cleaned homes to learn the tricks of the trade – and launched a movement that gained the support from some of the most respected investors in the world.

With a small team of great energy and bright minds, we grew a global network of exceptional home service experts, and served hundreds of thousands of homes in 35 cities in the US, Canada, UK, Germany and France. And last year, we expanded to new verticals, including handyman and carpet cleaning services.

We’re proud to be the pioneers of this space – but, above all, we’re grateful for the community of partners, employees and clients that supported us. It has been a joy to see our product grow from dream to reality – and watch partner and client connections blossom into long-term, trusted relationships.

Although we succeeded in many ways, we also faced obstacles. There are still many unresolved challenges in the home services space. We gave it our all, but regretfully, we have made the difficult decision to cease operations. Homejoy will officially close its doors on July 31st.

We’re determined to support you to keep your homes humming and business buzzing, so we will do our best to ensure partners and clients who want to continue to work together get a chance to do so independently of Homejoy.

We bid farewell, and thank you. It was our privilege to be part of this movement and to have helped your homes and businesses shine brighter.

To happy homes,

Adora

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

what did they do again

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Luigi Thirty posted:

what did they do again

nothing

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006


lolllllllllllllllllll

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
they disrupted cleaning services and handymen by having the employees be massively underpaid contractors.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





uncurable mlady posted:

subj did some good poo poo with the superfish stuff and works at an actual software company

smythe works in a community theater

give us subjunctive imo

how on earth did smythe get any power whatsoever? who thought that was a good idea?

good job smythe on being less personable than a literal adexec

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
community theater is a noble endeavor

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


lol VCs saw the lawsuits and the CA labor commission ruling and read the writing on the wall:

http://recode.net/2015/07/17/cleaning-services-startup-homejoy-shuts-down-after-battling-worker-classification-lawsuits/

quote:

Cleaning services company Homejoy is shutting down on July 31 after struggling to raise a big enough round of funding. The company had already been facing growth and revenue challenges, but CEO Adora Cheung said the “deciding factor” was the four lawsuits it was fighting over whether its workers should be classified as employees or contractors. None of them were class actions yet, but they made fundraising that much harder.

“A lot of this is unfortunate timing. The [California Labor Commission’s] Uber decision* … was only a single claim, but it was blown out of proportion,” she told Re/code. The on-demand space has become a riskier bet for investors in a short amount of time.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

vc firms are could get nervous about this homejoy thing, we could potentially see a domino effect since uber is probably the only one willing to spend 100 million dollars and 5 years on lawyers

one of the things that happened in the dot-com bust was firms winding down whole portfolios, when I was at evite we weren't profitable but could have kept chugging for a long time but the fact that they were ad supported meant "toxic" and the board decided to strip it down to maintenance mode and give abck the remaining money

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

the talent deficit posted:

how on earth did smythe get any power whatsoever? who thought that was a good idea?

good job smythe on being less personable than a literal adexec

He's actually good and also funny and really nice.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
wow... I'm really getting pwned here. *frantically rummages through drawer* need my cranial magnets !!

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
Smythe in order to get back into yospos' good graces you need to find as many exec management words as you can and chain themselves into barely coherent defenses of the indefensible

I recommend Scott Adams book Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
Let's engineer this subforum into a more positive outcome

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

qirex posted:

vc firms are could get nervous about this homejoy thing, we could potentially see a domino effect since uber is probably the only one willing to spend 100 million dollars and 5 years on lawyers

one of the things that happened in the dot-com bust was firms winding down whole portfolios, when I was at evite we weren't profitable but could have kept chugging for a long time but the fact that they were ad supported meant "toxic" and the board decided to strip it down to maintenance mode and give abck the remaining money

idk I think andressen and his ilk are true believers and will prop up their unicorns as long as possible

but this will stop more established firms from doing C or D rounds which means you're gonna get a night of long knives eventually where the money people come in and cull the weakest performers so they can be bought out by more established players in the field or existing public companies for IP or client lists or whatever

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

carry on then posted:

it should be a federal offense to call yourself an engineer without certification a la the stolen valor act

licensure is strictly a state by state thing, and it is in fact an offense to misrepresent yourself like that

gets complicated because of the industry exemption tho

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


uncurable mlady posted:

idk I think andressen and his ilk are true believers and will prop up their unicorns as long as possible

won't that result in a bit of a bitcoin situation where only the true believers are buying so the price is meaningless?

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

ruby idiot railed posted:

Let's engineer this subforum into a more positive outcome

stop reminding me of work

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Shifty Pony posted:

won't that result in a bit of a bitcoin situation where only the true believers are buying so the price is meaningless?

tech bubel

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

wouldn't the correct unit be grade point units???

A COMPUTER GUY
Aug 23, 2007

I can't spare this man - he fights.
i am so glad to be getting out of this bullshit industry

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

A COMPUTER GUY posted:

i am so glad to be getting out of this bullshit industry

out of computers or out of tech bubble?

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
this is retarded

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod




Uber’s famous for using aggressive tactics. Its latest stunt is aimed directly at New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio. The company added a tab to the app to illustrating what would happen if the mayor’s new “Uber cap” bill passes.

When you fire up the app, the new “De Blasio” tab is along the bottom where you usually select what kind of Uber service you want. De Blasio service is terrible. When you select it in Manhattan, De Blasio option gives you a staggering wait time of 25 minutes. In Brooklyn, it says “no cars.” Both options implore you to click on the prediction to find out why you can’t get a car faster.

Fusion reports that the reason Uber will suddenly be terrible is that Mayor De Blasio wants to pass legislation to curb Uber’s driver growth to 1 percent while the city conducts a traffic congestion study set to end in September 2016. The car-hailing service has correctly seen this as a handout to the angry taxicab lobby, which fiercely opposes Uber’s growth.

Uber’s just doing what Uber has always done in contentious situations, so there’s not much more to say about the tactics. As for the larger issue: Uber’s growth poses a number of problems in New York and elsewhere. The service is almost completely unregulated, raising safety concerns, and its workers are treated terribly. De Blasio’s legislation certainly isn’t an immediate fix to these problems. To be sure, Uber’s publicity campaign is an exaggeration, and in the absence of real solutions, maybe it’s not the worst idea for the city to hit pause while officials dream up a solution to Uber’s challenges.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Condiv posted:



Uber’s famous for using aggressive tactics. Its latest stunt is aimed directly at New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio. The company added a tab to the app to illustrating what would happen if the mayor’s new “Uber cap” bill passes.

When you fire up the app, the new “De Blasio” tab is along the bottom where you usually select what kind of Uber service you want. De Blasio service is terrible. When you select it in Manhattan, De Blasio option gives you a staggering wait time of 25 minutes. In Brooklyn, it says “no cars.” Both options implore you to click on the prediction to find out why you can’t get a car faster.

Fusion reports that the reason Uber will suddenly be terrible is that Mayor De Blasio wants to pass legislation to curb Uber’s driver growth to 1 percent while the city conducts a traffic congestion study set to end in September 2016. The car-hailing service has correctly seen this as a handout to the angry taxicab lobby, which fiercely opposes Uber’s growth.

Uber’s just doing what Uber has always done in contentious situations, so there’s not much more to say about the tactics. As for the larger issue: Uber’s growth poses a number of problems in New York and elsewhere. The service is almost completely unregulated, raising safety concerns, and its workers are treated terribly. De Blasio’s legislation certainly isn’t an immediate fix to these problems. To be sure, Uber’s publicity campaign is an exaggeration, and in the absence of real solutions, maybe it’s not the worst idea for the city to hit pause while officials dream up a solution to Uber’s challenges.

hang all uber execs

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
i have to listen to people talk for hours about when it's applicable and to paint things green or tan and that our process for doing so is broken and maybe we should use six sigma to analyze our process

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
I sit in a starbucks and pretend im working in a startup

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Nintendo Kid posted:

hang all uber execs

quoting/agreeing with fishmech

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Nintendo Kid posted:

hang all uber execs

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

ayn rand hand job posted:

licensure is strictly a state by state thing, and it is in fact an offense to misrepresent yourself like that

gets complicated because of the industry exemption tho

ABET and NCEES are national tho and could prolly lobby for it

it'll most likely happen after they institute the required 13 hours of grad school for engineering across the board

my software dev neighbors get away w/ it here b/c california (intentionally) doesn't protect the use of the term "engineer", but instead these terms


code:
6732.  Use of seal, stamp or title by unregistered person
It is unlawful for anyone other than a professional engineer licensed under this chapter to 
stamp or seal any plans, specifications, plats, reports, or other documents with the seal or stamp 
of a professional engineer, or in any manner, use the title “professional engineer,” “licensed 
engineer,” “registered engineer,” or “consulting engineer,” or any of the following branch titles:  
“agricultural engineer,” “chemical engineer,” “civil engineer,” “control system engineer,”  
“electrical engineer,” “fire protection engineer,” “industrial engineer,” “mechanical engineer,” 
“metallurgical engineer,” “nuclear engineer,” “petroleum engineer,” or “traffic engineer,” or any 
combination of these words and phrases or abbreviations thereof unless licensed under 
this chapter. 
yet i see posting for traffic engineers all the time here b/c these software companies like how it sounds for their analytics guys i guess


anyway, i'll repost this since it's p funy

software pushed to get texas to change their title law last decade

Rigsbee said the high-tech problem mostly involves computer programmers whom the industry likes to call computer engineers.

Rigsbee said the industry holds out its products as having been "engineered." And he said there is a belief that the computer companies are in a better position to win contracts if they can say they have 150 engineers on staff instead of 150 programmers.

"What we have a problem with is a graduate of a two-year computer programming school or some technicians ... holding themselves out as engineers when they clearly are not," Rigsbee said.

The computer industry had been happy to function under an exemption in state law that allowed a company to call in-house personnel whatever it wanted to so long as the engineering title was not held out to the public.

But the Texas Board of Professional Engineers sent cease-and-desist letters to some high-tech industry specialists who used the title of engineer in correspondence.

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Nintendo Kid posted:

hang all execs

A COMPUTER GUY
Aug 23, 2007

I can't spare this man - he fights.

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

out of computers or out of tech bubble?

first one, then the other. going to grad school to become a speech pathologist this fall

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

no you can guillotine most of them. but the uber ones deserve to hang

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Condiv posted:



Uber’s famous for using aggressive tactics. Its latest stunt is aimed directly at New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio. The company added a tab to the app to illustrating what would happen if the mayor’s new “Uber cap” bill passes.

When you fire up the app, the new “De Blasio” tab is along the bottom where you usually select what kind of Uber service you want. De Blasio service is terrible. When you select it in Manhattan, De Blasio option gives you a staggering wait time of 25 minutes. In Brooklyn, it says “no cars.” Both options implore you to click on the prediction to find out why you can’t get a car faster.

Fusion reports that the reason Uber will suddenly be terrible is that Mayor De Blasio wants to pass legislation to curb Uber’s driver growth to 1 percent while the city conducts a traffic congestion study set to end in September 2016. The car-hailing service has correctly seen this as a handout to the angry taxicab lobby, which fiercely opposes Uber’s growth.

Uber’s just doing what Uber has always done in contentious situations, so there’s not much more to say about the tactics. As for the larger issue: Uber’s growth poses a number of problems in New York and elsewhere. The service is almost completely unregulated, raising safety concerns, and its workers are treated terribly. De Blasio’s legislation certainly isn’t an immediate fix to these problems. To be sure, Uber’s publicity campaign is an exaggeration, and in the absence of real solutions, maybe it’s not the worst idea for the city to hit pause while officials dream up a solution to Uber’s challenges.

the big problem with satire is it's harder to write when reality is loving insane

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Nintendo Kid posted:

no you can guillotine most of them. but the uber ones deserve to hang

with an untrained independent contractor setting up the drop height.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

qntm
Jun 17, 2009

Rexicon1 posted:

there is no accurate standardized language between doctors esp if they are from different countries

this thread is moving insanely fast but what the HELL, how is medical terminology not subject to some kind of international standard

a, heh, linguistic prescription, as it were

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Citizen Tayne posted:

All the CMU grads I know personally work in tech support.

probably H&SS and CFA grads then

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

qntm posted:

this thread is moving insanely fast but what the HELL, how is medical terminology not subject to some kind of international standard

a, heh, linguistic prescription, as it were

here you go

now you just need to be able to decipher it from sloppy doctorwriting and hope that they used the latin abbreviation instead of an abbreviation in english

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