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muscles like this? posted:There was mention of a daughter when they made the deal but it was implied to be one not yet born.
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Madkal posted:All so an 90 year old women can continue living. In fairness, that 90 year old woman could've been a solid hero too. 
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Jul 17, 2015 23:38
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ecavalli posted:In fairness, that 90 year old woman could've been a solid hero too. Auntie Freeze does a crossover with Trouble and finds out her younger self is secretly a lesbian.
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Jul 18, 2015 00:16
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Reading Ultimate Spider-Man finally. Few questions: Did I miss Spidey fighting the Lizard? He was in a flashback and Connors is thanking Peter for helping him out. Same question, there was a lot of reference to Osborne attacking the White House and Spider-Man and the Ultimates stopped him? When does this happen? He starts dating Kitty Pryde in the first annual, so I know there aren't annuals where this stuff happens.
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Travis343 posted:Reading Ultimate Spider-Man finally. Few questions: There are a couple of things that happened in Ultimate Team Up, which has questionable continuity. The Lizard thing is from that, while the Osborne thing happened in a mini about the Sinister Six.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:42
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Travis343 posted:Reading Ultimate Spider-Man finally. Few questions: Ultimate Team-Up might have the first Lizard fight. The Osborne/White House thing is probably from Ultimate Six which was a mini.
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CapnAndy posted:She would have gotten Mephisto-magicked out of existence along with the marriage, presumably? I haven't read the Tex Willer - Marvel crossover. 
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Jul 18, 2015 02:18
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I started reading Spidey in the early 90s and enjoyed the McFarlane and Larsen stuff, when did it really go off the rails? Carnage?
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hadji murad posted:I started reading Spidey in the early 90s and enjoyed the McFarlane and Larsen stuff, when did it really go off the rails? Carnage? Clone Saga was kind of my tipping point. Because it just wouldn't end. Ben's a clone of Peter. No wait, Peter's the clone, Ben was the original the whole time, and Ben's going to take over as the 'real' spider-man. No, wait, wait - we changed our minds again.
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hadji murad posted:I started reading Spidey in the early 90s and enjoyed the McFarlane and Larsen stuff, when did it really go off the rails? Carnage? As a kid, I loved the hell out of Carnage, but I also didn't really read the comics.
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Jul 18, 2015 06:10
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It should be pointed out that a lot of the blame for the problems of the Clone Saga was that marketing was making writing and editorial decisions at the time. The individual writers didn't have much control over some of it, especially how goddamn long it went on.
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Lurdiak posted:It should be pointed out that a lot of the blame for the problems of the Clone Saga was that marketing was making writing and editorial decisions at the time. The individual writers didn't have much control over some of it, especially how goddamn long it went on. As should be usual for any discussion of the Clone Saga and what made it so awful, here is a link to the Life of Reilly. It is the story of why the Clone Saga went to poo poo. It is a much better story than the Clone Saga itself.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:As should be usual for any discussion of the Clone Saga and what made it so awful, here is a link to the Life of Reilly. Have they turned this into an ebook yet? I thought they were talking about that.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:As should be usual for any discussion of the Clone Saga and what made it so awful, here is a link to the Life of Reilly. Reading Life of Reilly led to me trying to do my own version with anti-hero Venom, which led to We Care a Lot and my lengthy blogging career. Now I'm a big, fat dynamo now where's that cake?
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Jul 18, 2015 18:32
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Life of Reilly is so long that I might as well just read the drat clone saga. It's like "well here in issue 228, page seven, the border was decided to be in double bold because you see Ben was...."
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Jul 18, 2015 19:49
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I own the entire Clone Saga in both singles and the 12 volume TPB series.
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Rhyno posted:I own the entire Clone Saga in both singles and the 12 volume TPB series. He said, surprising no one.
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Rhyno posted:I own the entire Clone Saga in both singles and the 12 volume TPB series. I own most of ot in singles, and my dad probably has backzup copies in storage. It was the comic boom and I was a kid so my dad would usually buy 2 copies, one for me to read and one to put in a plastic bag and sell when it was worth a ton of money. Clone Saga is what got me into comics and I still maintain that buried in that terrible mess are a ton of good Spidey comics.
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Unmature posted:He said, surprising no one. I started out as a joke but once I was at the halfway point on the singles I couldn't stop. I can't even explain the trades.
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Jul 19, 2015 00:52
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Rhyno posted:I started out as a joke but once I was at the halfway point on the singles I couldn't stop. It's okay, Rhyno. We're here for you. Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:17
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How many single issues did the whole stupid thing take? I remember reading Spiderman every now and again because I like Scarlet Spiders costume. I didnt care for clones though.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:30
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I had the character bio special issue for Clone Saga. There's a frame story, which is neat, but also means maybe you miss the origin of Spider-Cide if you skip it. Also, I cannot tell you what half those dudes' deals were, and I literally only knew them from the book that told you what their deals were.
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ecavalli posted:It's okay, Rhyno. We're here for you. Rhyno. My. Friend. It. Hurt me. When you said. You read. All. Those bad. Comic. Books. [/reading from card]
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ecavalli posted:It's okay, Rhyno. We're here for you. Gaz-L posted:Rhyno. My. Friend. It. Hurt me. When you said. You read. All. Those bad. Comic. Books. [/reading from card] My name is Rhyno and I'm addicted to lovely comics.
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FilthyImp posted:Life of Reilly is so long that I might as well just read the drat clone saga. It's like "well here in issue 228, page seven, the border was decided to be in double bold because you see Ben was...." Yeah, I tried reading Life of Reilly but it was far too detailed for what I wanted.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, I tried reading Life of Reilly but it was far too detailed for what I wanted. That's probably why it was never published in a print edition. I bet the writer wouldn't allow them to edit it down.
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Rhyno posted:My name is Rhyno and I'm addicted to lovely comics. I want you to read all 12 issues of WWE Superstars and review it issue-by-issue. Considering you don't even follow wrestling (despite sharing the name of a wrestler), I'd want to see how far it would send you off the edge.
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Gavok posted:I want you to read all 12 issues of WWE Superstars and review it issue-by-issue. Considering you don't even follow wrestling (despite sharing the name of a wrestler), I'd want to see how far it would send you off the edge. I just dumped a bunch of them in the $1 bins, I skimmed a few and they are SO loving BAD.
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Clone Saga broke me, I bought every single issue but ended up giving up right after the point where the books went back to following Peter after he had retired and the books started following Ben. I finally read Revelations like 2 years ago when I found the trade at the Mile High booth at SDCC... it was the first time I ever read the end.
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I'd like to read all of the Clone Saga some time for nothing more than morbid curiosity. Marvel Unlimited is missing big chunks of it and there are five goddamn trades of it each over twenty bucks.
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Unmature posted:I'd like to read all of the Clone Saga some time for nothing more than morbid curiosity. Marvel Unlimited is missing big chunks of it and there are five goddamn trades of it each over twenty bucks. Five? Oh my poor naive friend. (apologies for the poo poo pic, my phone is pretty busted) 
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Well it is called a saga.
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Rhyno posted:I started out as a joke but once I was at the halfway point on the singles I couldn't stop. I can't even explain the trades. No apologies, there's some good Spidey stories in there between the bullshit. Web of Life, Web of Death, Sensational Spider-man. That early prison story with The Traveler that I swear to god Bendis was referencing in that "The Raft" arc in New Avengers. The Death of Aunt May. Doc-Ock curing Spider-Man. gently caress, I miss Ben Reilly
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Rhyno posted:Five? Oh my poor naive friend. I see the Clone Saga and think you're an idiot, but then I see Darkhawk and think the opposite. So conflicting.
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Clone Saga just kept upping and upping the stakes of stupidity. How did the thing end anyway?
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Madkal posted:Clone Saga just kept upping and upping the stakes of stupidity. How did the thing end anyway? Norman Osborn came back to life (he was hiding in europe the whole time!!!) and punched Ben Reilly so hard he turned into a pile of dust. Then someone stole Peter and MJ's baby and they immediately forgot about it. Maybe I got the order wrong.
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When Panini started doing reprint magazines for Marvel in the UK about 20 years ago, they started with whatever was being published concurrently in America. So, if you started reading Astonishing Spider-Man from issue one, you began with the Clone Saga. My first issue was #100, which had a big multi-page recap of the entire run up to that point, and it was the most confusing thing ever. (Same thing with the X-Men one they did, actually - the first story they did was Fatal Attractions, then AoA, Onslaught, Operation: Zero Tolerance and so on; the first thing I read there was the tail-end of Alan Davis's run then Claremont II with the Neo.)
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I know the Clone Saga was long, but I didn't think it was 12 tpbs long. I guess 4 books a month for several years all ads up. Also I love how everyone forgets the single most stupid thing about the whole story. Norman Osborn kidnapped Aunt May and hired an actress to pretend to be her for an unspecified length of time. The actress was so into her role that even when she was on her loving deathbed she didn't break character. Osborn had literally no reason to do this considering he kept Aunt May alive the entire time. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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I thought they took the baby and told MJ and Peter that it had died.
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