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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/13/china-targets-lawyers-in-new-human-rights-crackdownquote:China targets lawyers in new human rights crackdown This is appalling. By any standard, if only China could be a free country, like the US who would never ever do something like thi- quote:https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/13/laura-poitras-sues-u-s-government-find-repeatedly-stopped-border/ In addition to Poitras, Glenn Greenwald and his husband have also been repeatedly abused by our government, placed on watch lists and other such things for being aggressive defenders of human rights. The TSA no fly list is often, without any recourse been used against other kinds of activists as well. Lets not forget also how the Obama administration continues to have people detained in Gitmo without trial for years and years where officials have said that even if they were to be acquited after having been illegally detained, abducted, and held without legally obtained evidence by the Bush administration as past major candidates for president have vowed to "double gitmo." When the United States, a country that purports to be a leader on human rights becomes contemptuous of them while still using that as the basis for sanctions, invasions, and punitive measures, they have no place at all to criticize anyone else, such as China. America has abandoned what moral high ground it had. We gently caress up a lot but we once had world wide good will, helping to liberate Europe from Nazi Germany. Where have we gone? As glamorized as the constitution is by politicians within the beltway consensus come election time, they are not so keen on recognizing the human rights aspects outside of their pet issues.
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Mandy Thompson posted:Where have we gone? Regarding our post ww2 goodwill? Probably Potsdam.
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On average human beings are 70% good 30% bad. Nixon knew it, Mao knew it.
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quote:the religious group Falun Gong, which is banned in China. Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America?
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 00:19 |
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Someone was put high on a threat list for spurious reasons, greatly inconveniencing them and causing them to sue the US government. This is exactly the same as being locked up indefinitely without trial by an authoritarian regime. Signed: A. Goon
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 00:20 |
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How would Laura, Glenn and his husband have fared in China? I hear they're p. chill IRT stealing and publicizing state secrets.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 00:31 |
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An activist being moderately inconvenienced from ending up on some watch list is exactly the same as systematic oppression. This reminds of conservative whites in America comparing some moderate inconvenience to actual slavery. crabcakes66 fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America? Outraged by Planned Parenthood? You won't believe what Communist China does to THIS Religious Minority!
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crabcakes66 posted:An activist being moderately inconvenienced from ending up on some watch list is exactly the same as systematic oppression. I'd imagine you could find at least some room for improvement in the human rights department pretty much everywhere. All this bickering over "moral high ground" is nothing more than ad hominem bullshit.
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Cockmaster posted:I'd imagine you could find at least some room for improvement in the human rights department pretty much everywhere. All this bickering over "moral high ground" is nothing more than ad hominem bullshit. The US has the moral high ground over almost all of its regional rivals, hope that helps.
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Mandy Thompson posted:When the United States, a country that purports to be a leader on human rights becomes contemptuous of them while still using that as the basis for sanctions, invasions, and punitive measures, they have no place at all to criticize anyone else, such as China. America has abandoned what moral high ground it had. We gently caress up a lot but we once had world wide good will, helping to liberate Europe from Nazi Germany. Where have we gone? As glamorized as the constitution is by politicians within the beltway consensus come election time, they are not so keen on recognizing the human rights aspects outside of their pet issues. Are these questions addressed solely to Americans? Could you provide a list of countries whose citizens can criticize the US?
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 02:29 |
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Honestly there is still a shitload of global goodwill towards the US. The people most critical of the US in my experience are almost always Americans themselves, Europeans/Canadians tend to be, at worst, smug over petty poo poo rather than outright hostile.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 02:31 |
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It's not so much that the US is particularly good at human rights or civil liberties but that all other major powers are cartoonishly awful
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 02:44 |
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Fojar38 posted:Someone was put high on a threat list for spurious reasons, greatly inconveniencing them and causing them to sue the US government. This is exactly the same as being locked up indefinitely without trial by an authoritarian regime. No joke what a loving stupid comparison.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 03:41 |
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McDowell posted:Outraged by Planned Parenthood? You won't believe what Communist China does to THIS Religious Minority! Haven't like every other anti-government activists that aren't Falun Gong rejected the forcible organ donations thing as bullshit though?
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 03:42 |
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Mandy Thompson posted:
It's almost as if degrees matter and viewing the world in black and white is really dumb.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 03:44 |
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And you are lynching Negroes: the thread.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 03:57 |
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Yeah where have we gone. We have a black president, healthcare reform and gay marriage too.
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asdf32 posted:We have a black president, healthcare reform and gay marriage too.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 04:38 |
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Fojar38 posted:The US has the moral high ground over almost all of its regional rivals, hope that helps. The two stories in the OP aren't comparable, but the US is just as guilty as China of human rights abuses if not more so. The difference is the US commits them internationally through kidnapping, torture, and, irregular warfare (read: terrorism), whilst China commits the vast majority of their crimes domestically.
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Chomskyan posted:The two stories in the OP aren't comparable, but the US is just as guilty as China of human rights abuses if not more so. The difference is the US commits them internationally through kidnapping, torture, and, irregular warfare (read: terrorism), whilst China commits the vast majority of their crimes domestically. Your name/avatar/post combo makes me really really really want to ask you about the Khmer Rouge.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 05:01 |
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I think it says something with vietnam when you can have a country like the us kill and disfigure millions of your citizens through a protracted, unjust war and you still would rather deal with them than china
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Chomskyan posted:The two stories in the OP aren't comparable, but the US is just as guilty as China of human rights abuses if not more so. The difference is the US commits them internationally through kidnapping, torture, and, irregular warfare (read: terrorism), whilst China commits the vast majority of their crimes domestically. Much like in Business, the U.S. mostly outsources it's abuses while china produces them locally.
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lmao savages
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 05:08 |
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Fojar38 posted:Someone was put high on a threat list for spurious reasons, greatly inconveniencing them and causing them to sue the US government. This is exactly the same as being locked up indefinitely without trial by an authoritarian regime. Gitmo
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America? China a place that is open about how much it wants to put its foot against your head. Also America is bad because of Iraq. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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HorseLord posted:Gitmo - A Stalinist
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HorseLord posted:Gitmo You're the one who was defending Uncle Joe right?
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America? It's the classic "Well the US had slavery and Indian genocide so they can't criticize the current actions of another country" bs you get from a generation raised on South Park that thinks the most intelligent thing to say in a debate is to pretend both sides are just as bad as the other removing any moral superiority.
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Posting in a trollthread
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Omelette du Fromage posted:Posting in a trollthread Trolling in a post-thread
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Chomskyan posted:The two stories in the OP aren't comparable, but the US is just as guilty as China of human rights abuses if not more so. The difference is the US commits them internationally through kidnapping, torture, and, irregular warfare (read: terrorism), whilst China commits the vast majority of their crimes domestically. When you control a sprawling continental empire that still represses colonial vassals (sorry, "autonomous zones") to this day you can also have a very broad interpretation of "domestic".
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kapparomeo posted:When you control a sprawling continental empire that still represses colonial vassals (sorry, "autonomous zones") to this day you can also have a very broad interpretation of "domestic". you're getting real close to hurting the chinese feelings, there
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Fojar38 posted:Honestly there is still a shitload of global goodwill towards the US. The people most critical of the US in my experience are almost always Americans themselves, Europeans/Canadians tend to be, at worst, smug over petty poo poo rather than outright hostile. Hahahahahahahahahhaha wtf really? Most people in my experience think you are all aggressive religious war mongering shitheads based in the foreign policy your government practices. I wish my government agreed with me though.
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klen dool posted:Hahahahahahahahahhaha wtf really? Most people in my experience think you are all aggressive religious war mongering shitheads based in the foreign policy your government practices. I wish my government agreed with me though. lol if you think this is an actual opinion held by anyone who isn't a dumb 12 years old leftist with a Che t-shirt, or a legit goat loving terrorist
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WitchFetish posted:lol if you think this is an actual opinion held by anyone who isn't a dumb 12 years old leftist with a Che t-shirt, or a legit goat loving terrorist On the other hand, polling data
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Chomskyan posted:On the other hand, polling data So basically lingering effects of the dumbshit Iraq war and the date of that poll misses recent Russian and Chinese aggression and the deal with Iran. Meanwhile in your article: quote:While poll respondents seem anxious about the United States’ role in world affairs, many of them would have no problems moving to America if they could. The United States topped WIN/Gallup’s list of top countries people would move to with 9 percent of the vote. Also: polling data!
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WitchFetish posted:lol if you think this is an actual opinion held by anyone who isn't a dumb 12 years old leftist with a Che t-shirt, or a legit goat loving terrorist I hold this opinion and I'm not 12, I don't own a Che t-shirt, and have never hosed a goat. Terrorism, on the other hand.... Anyway, I didn't say the US was the worst.
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kapparomeo posted:When you control a sprawling continental empire that still represses colonial vassals (sorry, "autonomous zones") to this day you can also have a very broad interpretation of "domestic". you're right, hiding your colonial activity behind a wall of euphemisms is another thing china and the us have in common
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kapparomeo posted:When you control a sprawling continental empire that still represses colonial vassals (sorry, "autonomous zones") to this day you can also have a very broad interpretation of "domestic". Native reservations, Puerto Rico.
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