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BuddyChrist posted:I don't really get all the Nolan hate. I see it all the time but the guy has made like 10 movies and I've really enjoyed 8 or 9 of them. That's pretty drat good to me. Nolan's only mistake was taking on comic book and scifi films, which have the most insufferable shitheel manchild and girlbaby audiences out there. Everyone thought Memento was great because that movie was well out of the poop pool, but the minute he starts in on a space movie the turds whine on and on about the scientific accuracy of every little thing and how scientists would actually act, et cetera et cetera et shitera. Yeah, no poo poo the movie about flying into a black hole and traveling through time wasn't based in reality idiot.
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Jul 18, 2015 00:04
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). It feels like he tried to make something akin to 2001, I'm not saying he got it right, but who even tries for that look and feel? I'd rather have more movies with this kind of look and feel versus another Apollo 18 type poo poo fest.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Zack Snyder is pretty bad 300 was pretty great, but everything else of his I've seen is just awful. Sucker Punch is the most exploitative movie I've ever seen, which is depressing because some of the scenes could have been awesome if excised from the rest of the film.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:29
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I liked Man of Steel because they wrecked all those buildings and killed presumably loads of people because that is exactly what would happen if some interplanetary gods landed on Earth and started whaling on each other.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:48
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Screaming Idiot posted:300 was pretty great, but everything else of his I've seen is just awful. Sucker Punch is the most exploitative movie I've ever seen, which is depressing because some of the scenes could have been awesome if excised from the rest of the film. If you thought Sucker Punch was exploitative, you missed the point.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:11
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EmmyOk posted:I liked Man of Steel because they wrecked all those buildings and killed presumably loads of people because that is exactly what would happen if some interplanetary gods landed on Earth and started whaling on each other. The opposite of this is when half of Chicago gets shot up in Jupiter Ascending and then gets magically put back together again even though the whole world was going to be harvested the next day.  They really put some thought into that.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:29
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EmmyOk posted:I liked Man of Steel because they wrecked all those buildings and killed presumably loads of people because that is exactly what would happen if some interplanetary gods landed on Earth and started whaling on each other. I also like that they're also actually addressing this in BvS. I hated a bunch of MoS (especially Pa's unnecessary death) but that part's good.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:29
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Mr E posted:I also like that they're also actually addressing this in BvS. I hated a bunch of MoS (especially Pa's unnecessary death) but that part's good. Yes! I am so excited for it because they seem to be doing a good Superman story. One where it is humanity reacting to what is effectively a god landing on our planet with quite a bit of confusion and anger. MoS had lots of problems for sure but they treated Superman as something much more interesting than a perfect hero who bashes baddies.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:35
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The worst part about Man of Steel is that everything it did, Superman 1 and 2 did better, sometimes a lot better. And Superman really doesn't need an origin movie. BvS might go somewhere interesting with it, but on its own MoS was just so...bleh.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:42
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Another thing about interstellar is the convoluted way the only dude on Earth capable of flying the mission gets in contact with NASA. The whole thing with chasing down the drone is unnecessary.Danger Mahoney posted:Nolan's only mistake was taking on comic book and scifi films, which have the most insufferable shitheel manchild and girlbaby audiences out there. Everyone thought Memento was great because that movie was well out of the poop pool, but the minute he starts in on a space movie the turds whine on and on about the scientific accuracy of every little thing and how scientists would actually act, et cetera et cetera et shitera. Yeah, no poo poo the movie about flying into a black hole and traveling through time wasn't based in reality idiot. The intricate formula denoting when to give a poo poo about scientific accuracy eludes me but I'm sure that when I'm deemed worthy a bulky figure lurking in the shadows will grab me and drag me kicking and screaming to the secret underground bunker where it's kept so that I may finally become oneness with the interwebs.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:42
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Rysithusiku posted:If you thought Sucker Punch was exploitative, you missed the point.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:45
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Rysithusiku posted:If you thought Sucker Punch was exploitative, you missed the point. I definitely felt like I was missing the point. The main character is a girl trying to escape a mental hospital, and she imagines she's a stripper trying to escape a brothel. Then the stripper is imagining that she's fighting giant samurai and stuff. Feels like there was just one too many levels in there.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:05
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Byzantine posted:And Superman really doesn't need an origin movie. No super hero needs an origin story. Origin stories are boring. We've heard it all before, we get it. Ordinary Everyman gets powers, learns about consequences and responsibility, and finally decides to become the hero. If you must include that part in the story, make it the first half hour and then let the rest of the movie be them actually being the super hero.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:11
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I just finished watching Interstellar as a mini-series over the last few nights. I thought it was pretty marvellous altogether tbh. They didn't literally mean love was a force like gravity.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:15
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Henchman of Santa posted:Zack Snyder is pretty bad I find that using superman as a stand in for jesus is pretty stupid and way obvious, especially in the BvS trailer.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:33
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Screaming Idiot posted:300 was pretty great, but everything else of his I've seen is just awful. Sucker Punch is the most exploitative movie I've ever seen, which is depressing because some of the scenes could have been awesome if excised from the rest of the film. I don't like 300. I actually do enjoy Watchmen, though it's heavily flawed. I also saw it before I ever read the graphic novel so I had nothing to  about.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:34
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the watchmen movie fixes the terrible climax of the book so good on ya zack attack
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Jul 18, 2015 03:41
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The end of It Follows. They thought a bunch of household appliances would be able to electrocute a whole swimming pool? And she made no attempt to get out of the water quickly when poo poo was getting real.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:52
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Rysithusiku posted:If you thought Sucker Punch was exploitative, you missed the point. The point was to point out female exploitation, but it did so in a way that was exploitative in and of itself. It's like shooting someone to show them how bad unrestricted gun ownership can be. Good message, bad messenger.
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Jul 18, 2015 04:00
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Tiggum posted:No super hero needs an origin story. Origin stories are boring. We've heard it all before, we get it. Ordinary Everyman gets powers, learns about consequences and responsibility, and finally decides to become the hero. If you must include that part in the story, make it the first half hour and then let the rest of the movie be them actually being the super hero. I agree, but seriously. Of all the origin stories not needed, Superman's is the most. Undiscovered tribes in New Guinea know Superman's origin story.
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Jul 18, 2015 04:03
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EmmyOk posted:I just finished watching Interstellar as a mini-series over the last few nights. I thought it was pretty marvellous altogether tbh. They didn't literally mean love was a force like gravity. If it was edited tightly, I'm sure it wouldn't have been as aggravating as it was.
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Jul 18, 2015 04:11
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ElGroucho posted:If it was edited tightly, I'm sure it wouldn't have been as aggravating as it was. The runtime is excessive and that could be hard to take in one sitting. Over all I thought it was very good though. The interaction between characters in particular Coop and Murph was really excellent I thought. I'd heard a lot of people didn't like the ending and other people claiming that was due to not understanding. I liked the ending but don't think it is impenetrable and can definitely see why people might not like that. As for an irrationally irritating moment in a film I recently watched Tintin. Near the start when he is researching the Haddocks he is lead to Marlspike Hall, their ancestral home. As he explores the manor he sees a coat of arms that has a haddock and after awhile goes "off course Marspike hall is the ancestral home of the Haddock family". Why else would you be there if it wasn't for the fact that it was the Haddock estate, Tintin? If you are there because it's their estate why were you surprised by the coat of arms?
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Jul 18, 2015 04:23
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EmmyOk posted:I liked Man of Steel because they wrecked all those buildings and killed presumably loads of people because that is exactly what would happen if some interplanetary gods landed on Earth and started whaling on each other. They were fighting with whales?
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Jul 18, 2015 04:27
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Tiggum posted:No super hero needs an origin story. Origin stories are boring. We've heard it all before, we get it. Ordinary Everyman gets powers, learns about consequences and responsibility, and finally decides to become the hero. If you must include that part in the story, make it the first half hour and then let the rest of the movie be them actually being the super hero. It's all a matter of personal preference I guess but I find the origin stories the only consistently interesting part of superhero stories. Seeing Parker learn he can climb walls and poo poo and then having to decide what he is going to do with that is way more interesting than seeing him beat up the green goblin or whatever. But I prefer the small personal stories/character studies to big "Save the city/world" stories which is almost all you get from superhero movies after the origin story. At least in movies, I don't read comics.
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Jul 18, 2015 09:44
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Gaunab posted:I find that using superman as a stand in for jesus is pretty stupid and way obvious, especially in the BvS trailer. It's only obvious because Superman Returns hit you over the head JesusJesusJesus.
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Jul 18, 2015 09:50
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Tiggum posted:No super hero needs an origin story. Origin stories are boring. We've heard it all before, we get it. Ordinary Everyman gets powers, learns about consequences and responsibility, and finally decides to become the hero. If you must include that part in the story, make it the first half hour and then let the rest of the movie be them actually being the super hero. I do think some of the lesser-known superheros need origin stories, just so the general public knows their background. However, Batman, Superman and Spider-Man's origin stories are so engrained in pop culture, we don't need them over and over again. Even my grandmother probably knows about the radioactive spider or Bruce Wayne's parents.
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Jul 18, 2015 10:06
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I liked the way the Norton Hulk movie dealt with the origin. They had it as essentially a montage over the opening credits.
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Jul 18, 2015 12:29
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This is one reason I'm really enjoying the Avengers movies and the Iron Man sequels - they're not dwelling on origin stories, and when they do happen such at the Vision's, they're the climax of the film not the start of it. It's one of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy was enjoyable too. Rocket and Groot in particular just... are, they don't need half an hour of exposition as to why. I don't think most superheroes these days need more than an opening credits montage or a throwaway line to explain their origins. Superhero origins are ingrained enough into the culture of the people watching superhero movies that they're mostly just padding now.
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Jul 18, 2015 12:44
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There are no films more overrated than the Nolan batman series, especially the dark knight. They're just dumb comic book films (taking themselves way too seriously), not high art.
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Jul 18, 2015 14:07
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sharktamer posted:There are no films more overrated than the Nolan batman series, especially the dark knight. They're just dumb comic book films (taking themselves way too seriously), not high art. OK.
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Jul 18, 2015 15:43
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sharktamer posted:There are no films more overrated than the Nolan batman series, especially the dark knight. They're just dumb comic book films (taking themselves way too seriously), not high art. Show us on this Batman doll where Nolan touched you. *Flips over doll and pulls cape up*
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Jul 18, 2015 16:14
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thespaceinvader posted:This is one reason I'm really enjoying the Avengers movies and the Iron Man sequels - they're not dwelling on origin stories, and when they do happen such at the Vision's, they're the climax of the film not the start of it. It's one of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy was enjoyable too. Rocket and Groot in particular just... are, they don't need half an hour of exposition as to why. Ant-Man's an origin story, but they hide it inside a heist comedy so it works pretty well.
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Jul 18, 2015 16:21
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Grendels Dad posted:It's only obvious because Superman Returns hit you over the head JesusJesusJesus. Its really confusing in tone because you have all these really forced messiah themes being pushed on a genocidal megalomaniac and it just...rankles.
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Jul 18, 2015 16:55
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thespaceinvader posted:This is one reason I'm really enjoying the Avengers movies and the Iron Man sequels - they're not dwelling on origin stories, and when they do happen such at the Vision's, they're the climax of the film not the start of it. It's one of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy was enjoyable too. Rocket and Groot in particular just... are, they don't need half an hour of exposition as to why. I mean, the BvS trailers do indicate we're getting the Batman origin story yet again, but it looked highly stylized and Zack Snyder is good at trailers and credits and music videos (as opposed to actual full length films, and gaaaaag at Snyder haters saying "but 300 was kewl") so here's hoping it'll be a super short segment crammed in somewhere (ala the awesome Watchmen intro credits).
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Jul 18, 2015 17:16
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Thor wasn't desperately an origin story. He was Thor when the story started, and had been since time immemorial. It was the start of his time on earth, I guess, but it kind of reads more like a coming-of-age story I think... But then when I say origin story I generally mean 'how they got bitten by a radioactive whatever'. Iron Man 1 was, yeah (but a good one, fortunately), so was Captain America (ditto). But I did say the Iron Man sequels for a reason... Also, they never gave Hawkeye or Black Widow origin stories, and the characters work fine. I don't really know where I'm going with this tbh. They're not bad when they're done right, but they can be done wrong - and the thing I really think with them is that they don't need to be RE-done over and over again. We don't need War Machine or Falcon to get dedicated origin stories, because they got them as part of Winter Soldier and Iron Man 2, we don't need Vision or Scarlet Witch to get origin stories because they happened in Age of Ultron, and so on. I guess that kind of franchise based superhero engine hasn't really ever been running before, so being able to give people stealth pilots in other films is quite a new thing - but I really appreciate it. I hope to goodness when Spidey does eventually land in the MCU he'll just... be involved in something. Swing in to kick an alien in the face or whatever, make a quip, then swing off again.
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Jul 18, 2015 17:48
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Rysithusiku posted:If you thought Sucker Punch was exploitative, you missed the point. How about if I thought it was poo poo?
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Jul 18, 2015 18:31
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Byzantine posted:And Superman really doesn't need an origin movie. Nobody does! Stop doing loving origin stories. They work in comics where you have issues running for years but for a standalone movie its just not worth it. Just drop us into the character being a badass. We'll pick it up. I am sooooo loving sick of "oh my god, I have superpowers!"  At least Thor was always Thor.
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Jul 18, 2015 18:41
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Zack Snyder earned a lot of good will for how good the opening credits scene in watchmen is imo
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Jul 18, 2015 20:44
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Honestly all his trailers and intro credits are consistently awesome and better than the films they represent. Like The Dawn of the Dead intro/intro credits were more memorable than most of the film itself. Same with 300 and its trailer.
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Thor is an origin story for Thor the superhero, even though he was Thor the guy with superpowers already.
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