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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

TetsuoTW posted:

I'm def. not reading loving Gawker, so you want to be a little less coy?

Ah, sorry. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/17/gawker-slammed-for-apparently-attempting-to-out-conde-nast-cfo/

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

TetsuoTW posted:

I'm def. not reading loving Gawker, so you want to be a little less coy?

Someone who wasn't a public homophobe was outed as gay by an escort they hired, and Gawker considered writing about this to be in the public interest. It seems to have reminded both shitlords and SJWs why Gawker are really pretty lovely.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Cingulate posted:

The point of democracy is not that it's the best model for selecting optimal policies (and it's not easy to decide what is good or optimal government as a lot of it is fundamentally about values).

If you do not understand this, it's you: you're the reactionary.

Eh, I suppose it was inevitable that I post a dumb, half-formed opinion on SomethingAwful.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Curvature of Earth posted:

Eh, I suppose it was inevitable that I post a dumb, half-formed opinion on SomethingAwful.
I guess it's a common misconception though.

divabot posted:

Someone who wasn't a public homophobe was outed as gay by an escort they hired, and Gawker considered writing about this to be in the public interest. It seems to have reminded both shitlords and SJWs why Gawker are really pretty lovely.
Gawker is so bad it almost legitimizes Scott Alexander.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



divabot posted:

Someone who wasn't a public homophobe was outed as gay by an escort they hired, and Gawker considered writing about this to be in the public interest. It seems to have reminded both shitlords and SJWs why Gawker are really pretty lovely.

Gawker thinks it will get them clicks. Same as TMZ doing something like that. I can't feel any real sympathy for Conde Nast, because well the guy is scum regardless of his orientation, but Gawker are still rear end in a top hat tabloid writers. Somehow though the neoreactionaries think that Gawker is some legitimate representation of the "left".

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

The Time Dissolver posted:

poo poo, I played the hell out of that. Honored to speak to you.

Oh, I joined the company too late to do any development on it, I mostly just did some play testing and level layout while Howard fixed the last few bugs.

I did do some work on trying to port it to PowerPC though! Unsuccessfully, alas. The original code was a mix of 68K assembly and Pascal (for which there wasn't a PowerPC compiler available for a while), and it wasn't really feasible in the time I had available while also in school.

Now there's a rewrite available on the App Store, plays just like I remember it!

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Oh, Aurini! From 2012:

Aurini on LessWrong posted:

The worst crimes of the holocaust were a conspiracy within the Nazi government. The Nuremburg trials had testimony from an investigator who was attempting to prove his supicions of these practices, and ultimately prosecute the offenders who were killing the Jews. It is likely that only a few hundred Germans were directly involved.

The Nazi government was built upon projecting genetic kinship onto the state itself, and while it didn't want any Jews in Germany, they weren't actively seeking the elimination of the Jewish race. In fact, the 'final solution' was not the first solution - they attempted deportation several times.

I've come to be of the opinion that the Nazi goverment - while certainly not being the sort of state I'd advocate - really weren't all that bad. Given the feminist/pro-immigration state that's growing in Canada, I might actually prefer it.

That whole LessWrong thread is a neoreactionary delight! For some values of. It's a good demonstration of just how NRx-saturated LW was around that time. edit: started by Multiheaded, who was one of LW and SSC's last remaining actual leftists.

divabot has a new favorite as of 19:58 on Jul 17, 2015

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

Oh, Aurini! From 2012:


That whole LessWrong thread is a neoreactionary delight! For some values of. It's a good demonstration of just how NRx-saturated LW was around that time.

quote:

Aurini's channel is pure contrarian & rationalist goodness

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Cingulate posted:

Aurini's channel is pure contrarian & rationalist goodness

That was Konkvistador, who was one of the guys who formed MoreRight back before Anissimov pissed everyone else off. That post is actual NRx cred for Aurini, who otherwise is the guy who hangs around NRx trying to look cool.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

divabot posted:

Oh, Aurini! From 2012:

Dude, you're not fooling anyone with the "not the sort of state I'd advocate" nonsense, just own up to being a Nazi.

Alien Arcana
Feb 14, 2012

You're related to soup, Admiral.

StandardVC10 posted:

Dude, you're not fooling anyone with the "not the sort of state I'd advocate" nonsense, just own up to being a Nazi.

"Now I'm not saying the Nazis had the right idea, exactly, but-" *fellates Hitler*

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard
I'm not a Nazi, I just spend lots and lots of time reading about Nazis, trying to figure out ways they weren't the worst monsters in recent human history, putting Hitler pictures on my walls, and buying anything with a swastika on it. I'm totally not a Nazi, I'm just trying to approve of as much of what they did as I can possibly convince myself wasn't too bad, and trying to correct historical misconceptions about just how wrong, exactly, a racist genocidal expansionist state being portrayed as such isn't really quite fair.

I'm not a Nazi, I'm just interested in being as close as possible to them as I can without feeling like I have to call myself one. If other people say I'm being one, they clearly don't understand the situation as well as I do.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

divabot posted:

That was Konkvistador, who was one of the guys who formed MoreRight back before Anissimov pissed everyone else off. That post is actual NRx cred for Aurini, who otherwise is the guy who hangs around NRx trying to look cool.

Oh hey that guy! That's the guy who said that poo poo about Qin Shi Huang.

I thought he was just some anonymous twitter rear end in a top hat.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Oh hey that guy! That's the guy who said that poo poo about Qin Shi Huang.
I thought he was just some anonymous twitter rear end in a top hat.

No, he was an anonymous LessWrong rear end in a top hat for years before that. See also Eugine_Nier, who was some NRx's mass-downvote sockpuppet.

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

divabot posted:

No, he was an anonymous LessWrong rear end in a top hat for years before that. See also Eugine_Nier, who was some NRx's mass-downvote sockpuppet.

Konkvistador was probably the one who normalized discussion of Moldbug on LW. He and his friends were also big on downvoting the posts of everyone who disagreed.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Merdifex posted:

Konkvistador was probably the one who normalized discussion of Moldbug on LW. He and his friends were also big on downvoting the posts of everyone who disagreed.

So you're saying LessWrong isn't the glorious post-prejudice discussion site I was promised?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Doesn't an upvote/downvote system, by its very nature, encourage groupthink and prevent dissenting voices from being heard?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Doesn't an upvote/downvote system, by its very nature, encourage groupthink and prevent dissenting voices from being heard?

If you are unenlightened rabble, yes. Great minds, however, use the dictates of pure reason to arrive at the best decision. A clear consensus simply means that the best minds are all in the same place. The grey tribe transcends tribes.

Aurini really is going to go down attempting a spree shooting, isn't he?

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Doesn't an upvote/downvote system, by its very nature, encourage groupthink and prevent dissenting voices from being heard?

Before today I was under the impression they used a pseudo-academia model of good posts getting "cited" by other posts and building reputation.

You'd think the brightest collection of minds would've invented a system better than Reddit's at this point.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Uncle Enzo posted:

I'm not a Nazi, I just spend lots and lots of time reading about Nazis, trying to figure out ways they weren't the worst monsters in recent human history, putting Hitler pictures on my walls, and buying anything with a swastika on it. I'm totally not a Nazi, I'm just trying to approve of as much of what they did as I can possibly convince myself wasn't too bad, and trying to correct historical misconceptions about just how wrong, exactly, a racist genocidal expansionist state being portrayed as such isn't really quite fair.

I'm not a Nazi, I'm just interested in being as close as possible to them as I can without feeling like I have to call myself one. If other people say I'm being one, they clearly don't understand the situation as well as I do.

As someone one who is a religious lurker of the milhist thread, let me tell you that the nazis were not at all examples of efficient governance. Its extraordinarily magical to witness the clusterfuck that was their war effort. :magical:

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

Klaus88 posted:

As someone one who is a religious lurker of the milhist thread, let me tell you that the nazis were not at all examples of efficient governance. Its extraordinarily magical to witness the clusterfuck that was their war effort. :magical:

Or the corruption of their administration. Everyone seeking attention from Hitler, etc.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Merdifex posted:

Konkvistador was probably the one who normalized discussion of Moldbug on LW. He and his friends were also big on downvoting the posts of everyone who disagreed.

Moldbug was also a commenter back when the Sequences were running on OvercomingBias.

Curvature of Earth posted:

You'd think the brightest collection of minds would've invented a system better than Reddit's at this point.

Dude. They used Reddit's codebase. LessWrong is a fork of Redditcode. That's why they had such a hard time suppressing Roko's Basilisk comments without leaving hilarious pages full of "Comment deleted" - they LITERALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR OWN SITE WORKED. And the Reddit code is so horrible they could barely find people willing to work on it and fix it.

divabot has a new favorite as of 01:21 on Jul 18, 2015

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Theorizing that an evil robot god will torture a simulation of you in the future: a banworthy offense

Saying nazis had some good idea: not a banworthy offense

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Theorizing that an evil robot god will torture a simulation of you in the future: a banworthy offense

Saying nazis had some good idea: not a banworthy offense

Well, yeah. The Nazis can only kill you once.

Now listen to my four-hour YouTube video on how resurrecting Joseph Mengele is the only way to ensure Friendly AI.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Theorizing that an evil robot god will torture a simulation of you in the future: a banworthy offense

Saying nazis had some good idea: not a banworthy offense

And that's doubly bizarre considering the founder's family is Orthodox and he probably lost relatives to the Nazis.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


eschaton posted:

And that's doubly bizarre considering the founder's family is Orthodox and he probably lost relatives to the Nazis.

Well, if you had to choose between killing 6 million jews, and eleventy bazillion people getting dust in their eyes, you would be a monster not to kill the jews. :smug:

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Jack Gladney posted:

Aurini really is going to go down attempting a spree shooting, isn't he?
Either that or he'll realize he's gay and mellow out.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

John Big Booty posted:

Either that or he'll realize he's gay and mellow out.

No he'll probably just be a really lovely gay reactionary. He might actually get even shittier to women; gay men using their not-straightness to excuse harassment is a thing. (The logic being you can't be sexist if you're not personally interested in women as sexual objects.)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
New on LW! Experiences in applying "The Biodeterminist's Guide to Parenting", based on the wisdom of Scott. It is every bit as high-quality as that title implies. Speaking as a parent, I would ask "what the gently caress are you people doing" except I know the answer is "being IQ-obsessed helicopter parents". God forbid the kid ever disappoint them intellectually.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

New on LW! Experiences in applying "The Biodeterminist's Guide to Parenting", based on the wisdom of Scott. It is every bit as high-quality as that title implies. Speaking as a parent, I would ask "what the gently caress are you people doing" except I know the answer is "being IQ-obsessed helicopter parents". God forbid the kid ever disappoint them intellectually.
Tthis is most definitely going to be responded to and implemented by by a bunch of Sailer-style people who will, in literally every other situation, argue that IQ is 150% hereditary and nothing ever changes it.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Also I skimmed over Scott's LJ thing and he gives a good example for what I said how your belief that democracy is good because it selects good policies makes you a reactionary:

quote:

IDEALISM: My political party represents me! And that's great!

CYNICISM: This country isn't a true democracy. Parties ignore the people and mostly just listen to elites and established interest groups. And that's an outrage!

POSTCYNICISM: This country isn't a true democracy. Parties ignore the people and mostly just listen to elites and established interest groups. And thank God, considering how over half the people believe evolution is a lie and mostly just vote for whoever has the nicer haircut and will cut taxes/increase spending the most. Elites and established interest groups may be kinda evil, but at least they have a vested interest in making the economy not explode too catastrophically, and they don't let creationism get taught in schools because that would be embarrassing. And that's great!
See? You're rightly disgusted now.

Also note how NRx loves this 3rd way poo poo. They are, at heart, the true dialectic Hegelians.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Cingulate posted:

Also I skimmed over Scott's LJ thing and he gives a good example for what I said how your belief that democracy is good because it selects good policies makes you a reactionary:

See? You're rightly disgusted now.

Also note how NRx loves this 3rd way poo poo. They are, at heart, the true dialectic Hegelians.

What's needed is a socialism that acknowledges the power of nationalism. A kind of "National Socialism" if you will.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

Curvature of Earth posted:

So you're saying LessWrong isn't the glorious post-prejudice discussion site I was promised?

yes it is, they post prejudice all the time.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

chaos rhames posted:

yes it is, they post prejudice all the time.

:golfclap:

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Cingulate posted:

Also I skimmed over Scott's LJ thing and he gives a good example for what I said how your belief that democracy is good because it selects good policies makes you a reactionary:

See? You're rightly disgusted now.

Also note how NRx loves this 3rd way poo poo. They are, at heart, the true dialectic Hegelians.

The most telling part is that the greatest evil he can imagine is Creationism.

loving nerds.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

The most telling part is that the greatest evil he can imagine is Creationism.

loving nerds.

It's also telling that he can't let himself believe so called 'Elites' might believe in it too. The worship of the upper class among these guys is just precious.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Comments on the helicopter parent's own blog gently point out that this is ridiculously hyperoptimising the irrelevant. LW comments? Of course not.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

No, but you see, those filthy proles have no vested interest in keeping things from going to hell... Except that they are the ones who actually have to deal with the repercussions, unlike these bourgie elites who can use their capital to escape the repercussions of their actions.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

It is much more comforting to believe the world is well governed by cabals of brilliant men in smokey back rooms than to realize the guys in smokey back rooms patting themselves on the back for running the world have no idea what the gently caress they're doing.

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