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fadam posted:Dang, Whisper was a lot more fun before I learned they changed how decloak functions. How does decloak work now?
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Instead of decloaking right before the Phantom's dial is revealed, they decloak at the very beginning of the activation phase before any ships move.
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I just recently got into X-wing and love it. My favorite list right now is Kyle Katarn Focus fest: Kyle Katarn (33) HWK-290 (21), Determination (1), Ion Cannon Turret (5), Recon Specialist (3), Moldy Crow (3) Etahn A’baht (37) E-Wing (32), R7-T1 (3), Flechette Torpedoes (2) Jake Farrell (30) A-Wing (24), A-Wing Test Pilot (0), Proton Rockets (3), Outmaneuver (3) --- Unfortunately I only get to play once a week, sometimes. Since I hardly get to play, I was looking at playing online with Vassal ( a program for playing board games), which has a x-wing set, though the cards don't have any of the stats (which I can understand why). I was thinking about what if someone is interested who doesn't have the base set. It's not like the stats are hard to find, and what kinds of limits if any should there be before it goes into :files: territory? Foolster41 fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Jul 18, 2015 06:21
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Just one page behind ya buddy
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How should a Fel+Chiraneau player play against the Fat Han match-up? I beat the guy at my local meet-up on the back of my really good dice/his really bad dice. I tried to keep Fel at range 2 and just pumped everything I had into the Falcon until it died.
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Jul 19, 2015 03:35
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2nd at a regional.  missed out on a sweet giant cookie.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:32
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Nice. Fat Han right? what'd you fly against?
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fadam posted:How should a Fel+Chiraneau player play against the Fat Han match-up? this is exactly how you do it: quote:I tried to keep Fel at range 2 and just pumped everything I had into the Falcon until it died.
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Jul 19, 2015 10:48
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What is "fat han"?
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Not a viking posted:What is "fat han"? Fat Han is a tanky Han Solo build that typically includes the Millenium Falcon title, C-3P0, and R2-D2. This gives him a ton of damage mitigation which goes well with his 13 hit points. Combined with engine upgrade, this lets him boost out of enemy firing arcs if he can, or if not, he takes an evade.
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zVxTeflon posted:Nice. Fat Han right? what'd you fly against? Yeah. Lost against double IGs even though he made a couple questionable moves I didn't fully exploit. There was a lack of imperial lists in the tournament and everyone was running dash/chewy plus Corran. I had to fight two during the preliminaries. Our friends who played the Baron or phantom were X-2 (so out of contention) within 4 rounds. One was out in 3. E: at least I got a neat battle foam kit for my minis. It's v big and for wave 1-4 so it'll suit my fat Han list nicely. Z's fit well in the x wing slots. There was a giant cookie for first. :/ Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 13:54
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Chill la Chill posted:Yeah. Lost against double IGs even though he made a couple questionable moves I didn't fully exploit. There was a lack of imperial lists in the tournament and everyone was running dash/chewy plus Corran. I had to fight two during the preliminaries. Our friends who played the Baron or phantom were X-2 (so out of contention) within 4 rounds. One was out in 3. Congrats. Dude who won was MajorJuggler, the mathwing guy, right?
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Jul 19, 2015 15:48
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Apparently. He was a bit pompous with some remarks about practicing against "top 8 worthy players" or whatever with his list. Meanwhile I play every week against nova tournament and regionals winners lol. And worlds whenever Paul shows up. (Lol if he posts here too.)
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Chill la Chill posted:Apparently. He was a bit pompous with some remarks about practicing against "top 8 worthy players" or whatever with his list. Meanwhile I play every week against nova tournament and regionals winners lol. And worlds whenever Paul shows up. (Lol if he posts here too.) So we'll hear about this match on the podcast then?
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Jul 19, 2015 17:43
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Dunno. I don't follow any podcasts. I'm guessing if you do he'll talk about me committing my Z's too early - I'll blame fatigue on that one. I just opened the battle foam case they gave to top 4 (5-8 got a smaller case) and its p cool. 
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Jul 19, 2015 18:37
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Is there a list that specifically counters Fat Han, or the pair of YT freighters lists? Want to bring something to Monday gaming to mess witheveryone testing out those lists for the Chicago regionals next week.
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IG2000 is v good against fat Han. Just play them like interceptors and don't be so predictable with your S loops.
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Orvin posted:Is there a list that specifically counters Fat Han, or the pair of YT freighters lists? Want to bring something to Monday gaming to mess witheveryone testing out those lists for the Chicago regionals next week. The IG-88s in particular do well against them. Swarms(both Ties and Zs) have a good chance if you're not constrained by the tournament margins of victory and time limits. The fatties and big turrets have a significant advantage in tournaments because of that, and honestly how much less grueling running a 2 ship list is vs trying to run a swarm over 6 rounds.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:36
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I have been looking for a reason to justify a second aggressor. I do really like the bounty brothers list I have been playing recently, but want to switch it up a little. It's a shame I can't just buy more of the Z95 cardboard bases. I have 2 Rebel Zs, and 2 scum Zs, and not enough bases to run a swarm with either side. I have been toying with buying another scum set so I can run a 4 Y-Wing list, but that still won't give me enough for a proper scum bug zapper swarm.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:42
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Orvin posted:Is there a list that specifically counters Fat Han, or the pair of YT freighters lists? Want to bring something to Monday gaming to mess witheveryone testing out those lists for the Chicago regionals next week. Tie swarm
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It kinda seems like the x-wing itself has been completely removed from the meta in this game?
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Yes, the xwing is not in a good place at the moment.
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ShineDog posted:It kinda seems like the x-wing itself has been completely removed from the meta in this game? It's not good enough at anything in particular to be a workable fighter in the meta, especially not the generics. You'll occasionally see Biggs, though. No autothrusters, no fat, no buy.
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Swarms aren't great with tournaments cuz they bleed points so quickly. B wings are just so much more survivable and have better firepower for the points. Panzeh posted:The IG-88s in particular do well against them. Swarms(both Ties and Zs) have a good chance if you're not constrained by the tournament margins of victory and time limits. The big reason why large ships are great in the tournament meta is cuz they count for full points until you kill them. They soak up a lot of damage and it's an either or scenario for points.
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Chill la Chill posted:The big reason why large ships are great in the tournament meta is cuz they count for full points until you kill them. They soak up a lot of damage and it's an either or scenario for points. That's my big fear with the bugzapper swarm- not killing the fatty fast enough to win. It's also why i'm looking forward to wave 7 because there's some interesting things you can do with YVs that aren't just a super tooled up bossk.
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I am looking forward to see how the new scum fighter does in the meta, since it is just a tweaked X-Wing. Granted, the scum are in desperate need for a 3 red die middle of the road fighter, so I see it getting more use in scum lists than it would in Rebel lists.
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Orvin posted:I am looking forward to see how the new scum fighter does in the meta, since it is just a tweaked X-Wing. Granted, the scum are in desperate need for a 3 red die middle of the road fighter, so I see it getting more use in scum lists than it would in Rebel lists. FFG is really afraid of some irrational things and was very afraid of letting people run 5 X-wings. The K-fighter can be run as a fivesome but I think that list will share a lot of problems with swarms. I do like the PS9 ace and even the 23-pointer with the EPT. One immediate problem I can see with the 5K list is it has no slow roll capability. The big reason 4 B wings is a thing in the meta is because the B wing has 8 hp and can usually survive more than 2 HLC shots, while the X-wing really can't. FFG was also super afraid of 4x ps1 starvipers with autothrusters, which is why the generic starvipers are overpriced. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Orvin posted:I am looking forward to see how the new scum fighter does in the meta, since it is just a tweaked X-Wing. Granted, the scum are in desperate need for a 3 red die middle of the road fighter, so I see it getting more use in scum lists than it would in Rebel lists. It's still a tough sell over a BTL Y-Wing to me, honestly. The Y-Wings not as good at breaking a tooled up Interceptor's evades, but it's still going to be better against anything else. 5 K fighters is still less HP and less red dice than 4 Y-Wings. Plus the control potential from ion shots. It'll be interesting to see how it gets used.
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ShineDog posted:It kinda seems like the x-wing itself has been completely removed from the meta in this game? It has very average stats, a very meh dial and no barrel roll or boost. PS9 Wedge, who smoked interceptor after interceptor in RotJ, can't even get a good shot on one in TMG. Giving Rebels a 2pt barrel roll droid and a 2pt boost droid would go a long way to opening up Rebel list building and making astromechs a real choice outside of stressbot and occasional R2-D2
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gently caress everyone else, I run X-wings. The new prevalence of Scum ships and things that aren't arc dodgers all the time mean that high PS X-wings can rip the poo poo out of drat near anything on the joust, and then it's a game of actual maneuver. The X-wing doesn't have a great dial, but when the PS is high enough that things with reposition have to guess regardless you can pull some funny poo poo. Also Wes with VI + Wedge with Opportunist is painful as hell.
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Of course expert handling and engine upgrades exist.
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X-Wings in general may be underpowered but there is always a place for Wedge in my lists and in my heart.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Of course expert handling and engine upgrades exist. If you spend enough points you can make an X-wing good but then you might as well make an investment in Corran Horn who's even better. Chomp8645 posted:X-Wings in general may be underpowered but there is always a place for Wedge in my lists and in my heart. Wedge is pretty good, yeah. Just think of X-wings like HWK-290s. You'd never take a generic HWK, either.
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Expert Handling is bad on X-Wings. Grab an R2 Astromech and some high PS pilots and it turns the fight into a giant game of chicken where the first time you mess up you take some shield damage and the first time an Interceptor messes up you blow it the gently caress up.
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Strobe posted:Expert Handling is bad on X-Wings. Grab an R2 Astromech and some high PS pilots and it turns the fight into a giant game of chicken where the first time you mess up you take some shield damage and the first time an Interceptor messes up you blow it the gently caress up. Or you just die because Han shoots you a lot while trolling your arc and you don't have autothrusters to help out. Or, well, you go up against 4 B wings and you get focused down.
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I'd genuinely love to hear if anyone has success with x-wings and expert handling. Because it seems impossible to me.Orvin posted:I am looking forward to see how the new scum fighter does in the meta, since it is just a tweaked X-Wing. Granted, the scum are in desperate need for a 3 red die middle of the road fighter, so I see it getting more use in scum lists than it would in Rebel lists. Talonbane is the new Wedge. Yay, scum has a better x-wing. While the titular goddamn x-wang's are still too expensive, pack a useless pair of green dice (relative to their hp and cost), and are basically only flyable once you invest another 8 whole points (R2, Ptl, Engine) to give them actual things to do. Strobe is right that their current best thing is smart jousting-then-break-off but even that is super vulnerable to a good pilot with a better jousting list. In other words I refuse to fly anything other than Dogfighter Luke/Wedge + Biggs and will continue to pay the price
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I use EH and it does work for me.
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Panzeh posted:Or you just die because Han shoots you a lot while trolling your arc and you don't have autothrusters to help out. Or, well, you go up against 4 B wings and you get focused down. I genuinely don't have trouble against Han. I'm a bit more nervous if Han has VI, but three X-Wings shooting at absurd PS will hurt a lot of things a whole lot. Big ships in general tend to stop existing under X-wing guns. I'm guessing your meta doesn't see a whole bunch of them.  4Bs is a lot harder to deal with, yes. It's not out of the question to shoot one down on the initial pass, and then after that win the maneuver game. Lack of barrel roll hurts, but not as much as the B-wing's lovely dial does.
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yellowjournalism posted:In other words I refuse to fly anything other than Dogfighter Luke/Wedge + Biggs and will continue to pay the price gently caress Biggs, fly Wes with VI. Strip tokens for Wedge, run Wedge with opportunist. gently caress poo poo up with boosted red dice and take away green dice all day. I run my third as Luke with VI and R2-D2, to strip more tokens if there's a full Interceptor suite of tokens and to never loving die. I also run 97 points, though, because shooting first loving matters to that list.
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Strobe posted:I genuinely don't have trouble against Han. I'm a bit more nervous if Han has VI, but three X-Wings shooting at absurd PS will hurt a lot of things a whole lot. Big ships in general tend to stop existing under X-wing guns. I'm guessing your meta doesn't see a whole bunch of them. Wedge does disable c3p0 at ranges below 3 but he still has pretty significant damage mitigation if he does an evade every time and he usually has some kind of escort to help deal with 3 x-wings, be it another fatty, corran horn(who will one-shot an x-wing no problem), or 3 Z-95s trolling you with blocks and poo poo. If you're having success though go for it, man.
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