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Couple of questions about AST. Is the weapon super important or am I ok getting armour first? Should my bonus points be in Mind or Piety?
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At least these people starting this debate posts know how it is at the end game for healers.  Ninja healer, its all making sense now.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:43
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more like dICK posted:Couple of questions about AST. Is the weapon super important or am I ok getting armour first? Should my bonus points be in Mind or Piety? Weapon > all, always. Put points in mind, it's your main stat. Piety only increases your MP and you'll get it off gear.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:46
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Can someone post that Unspoiler timer website again? I checked like 20 pages but I must be a moron because I missed it.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:49
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Poultron posted:Can someone post that Unspoiler timer website again? I checked like 20 pages but I must be a moron because I missed it. http://www.garlandtools.org/bell/ That's the best one sofar i think
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Jul 19, 2015 15:51
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Pews posted:http://www.garlandtools.org/bell/ That's the one, thanks.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:53
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Pews posted:Piety is viable on DRK too, makes mana management easier. But that's just for the 'end-game' since its more of a meld choice. Expect Piety V materia price to go through the roof. Just in case anyone believes this: You would need to put on ~200 points worth of Piety just to hold one Siphon Strike worth of MP, and none of DRK's MP recovery scales with MP pool.
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Jul 19, 2015 15:55
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Eorzan fashion
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Jul 19, 2015 16:15
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Willias posted:It's 4-5k HP, which depending on how you look at it, is an increase of 33% or a loss of 25% of your tank's total health pool. I just checked this for giggles: If I switch from 4 STR+1 VIT to 4 VIT+1 STR, my HP goes from 13431 to 15645
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Jul 19, 2015 16:29
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From FC chat, new pubbie horror story - WoD. WAR with 6.2k health. Jewelry was a mix of MND and INT.
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Jul 19, 2015 16:37
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Klades posted:I just checked this for giggles: If I switch from 4 STR+1 VIT to 4 VIT+1 STR, my HP goes from 13431 to 15645 How dare you!
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Jul 19, 2015 16:42
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isk posted:From FC chat, new pubbie horror story - Hey just hit 50 this morning, gotta find a way to meet the il needs. ...I totally slapped on DPS jewelry the first time I healed WoD.
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Jul 19, 2015 16:48
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Has this been discussed? http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/07/17/final-fantasy-xiv-3-05-content-detailed-with-screenshots-alexander-savage-raid-and-more-pvp/ the article posted:You’ll be able to access each of the four floors only if at least one member of the party didn’t complete it during the current week.
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Jul 19, 2015 16:52
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Edit: Ignore this I'm dumb.
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Jul 19, 2015 16:57
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Malloreon posted:Has this been discussed? Yes, you'll be able to buy tokens from progression raiders every week and eventually have gear
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Jul 19, 2015 17:02
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Now you just need to be good enough to 4-man Savage Alex and you can sell infinite Alex tokens!
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Jul 19, 2015 17:07
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Shere posted:There's no choice between VIT or STR either FYI. If you choose VIT you chose wrong. Learn to use your damned cooldowns on a rotation in anticipation of big hits. Not after you've already been tank slapped for 10k like an idiot. You don't wear VIT so you can stand in AoEs, you don't wear VIT so you can tank badly, you wear VIT so there is more time in which a healer can get to you before you die. Your job as a tank (especially as main tank) is getting hit in the face and being able to get hit in the face again 2 seconds later and not die. This means if a healer or DPS does something dumb and you aren't being paid attention to by a healer 100% of the time, you need enough health to stick around for that period of time. You can say GIT GUD all you like, but I'd rather have the boss we're fighting end up dead rather than waiting for a perfect run. Once my group gets used to a fight, and knows how to react to little mistakes or stops making them altogether, THEN the STR gear comes out. Not before. Exception to this is the offtank: 75% of the time you better be in full STR jewelry. Klades posted:I just checked this for giggles: If I switch from 4 STR+1 VIT to 4 VIT+1 STR, my HP goes from 13431 to 15645 Full STR right side:  Full VIT right side:  This difference will only continue to go up as jewelry gets higher stats.
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Jul 19, 2015 17:21
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Willias posted:You don't wear VIT so you can stand in AoEs, you don't wear VIT so you can tank badly, you wear VIT so there is more time in which a healer can get to you before you die. Your job as a tank (especially as main tank) is getting hit in the face and being able to get hit in the face again 2 seconds later and not die. This means if a healer or DPS does something dumb and you aren't being paid attention to by a healer 100% of the time, you need enough health to stick around for that period of time. It's not GIT GUD, don't dismiss me like that. I am stating the fact: There is no fight currently in the game made easier by having more HP on your tank. The inverse is actually true, fights like Bismarck become substantially easier when your tank is an active contributor to the DPS pool. HP over the necessary minimum is wasted, just like accuracy. Willias posted:Full STR right side: No, it won't. The left side gear gains VIT every time the item level increases too. That's where the bulk of your vitality comes from in the first place, and very likely where all necessary HP will come from as it always has. edit: I'll correct myself; I suppose you'll have more worthless VIT on your ilvl 200 VIT accessories but it's not like a paladin's gonna be sitting at 13k either, they'll make HP gains on the left side. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 17:45
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Shere posted:No, it won't. The left side gear gains VIT every time the item level increases too. That's where the bulk of your vitality comes from in the first place, and very likely where all necessary HP will come from as it always has. Well the absolute difference will increase but the relative difference will not change. Right side VIT will still be like 20% of your HP pool, but the actual amount of HP that is will go up.
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Jul 19, 2015 17:49
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The only two current fights in the game where I'd recommend some extra Vitality for the main tank are Ravana Extreme and A4, since those are the only cases where there's massive tankbusters going on at the same time as large amounts of raidwide damage. There's no reason to wear it outside of those two cases.
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Jul 19, 2015 17:59
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What do people mean by melded accessories? Just like, ones with high level materia in them? Or is there some other thing I'm missing.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:01
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Shere posted:There is no fight currently in the game made easier by having more HP on your tank. This is absolutely false. I'll agree that there is no tank buster in the game that currently hits for more than 13.5k, but you seem to forget that healers have things to do other to heal you specifically with every GCD. We're also dodging fire and, more importantly, keeping stupid DPS who DON'T dodge fire alive. The less often I am put in a position where I *must* heal you or you will die before my next GCD, the more time I can spend healing the other idiots. That makes most fights *substantially* easier. The extra DPS doesn't compensate. In a world where no one ever takes avoidable damage and healers are standing around with thumbs up their asses most of the fight? Sure, fine, I agree with you. Most people don't live in that world. Doresain fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 18:02
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Dr Pepper posted:What do people mean by melded accessories?
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Jul 19, 2015 18:07
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Vermain posted:The only two current fights in the game where I'd recommend some extra Vitality for the main tank are Ravana Extreme and A4, since those are the only cases where there's massive tankbusters going on at the same time as large amounts of raidwide damage. There's no reason to wear it outside of those two cases. Even Ravana is not hard to STR tank as long as you're dual tanking it and you know how to hit CDs. If you're solo tanking it then you might want some vit though. Doresain posted:This is absolutely false. Why are you not pre-casting heals for tank busters? You should never let the tank get in the position where you have to choose between healing them or healing a DPS unless the fight has gone completely and utterly to poo poo, in which case a VIT spec tank is going to make zero difference. I have been healing Alex through DF since it came out. I've gotten my fair share of completely garbage players who stand in every aoe and don't understand mechanics. Want to know how many times a STR spec tank has wiped us? 0.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:07
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Dr Pepper posted:What do people mean by melded accessories? Pretty much. With non-crafted accessories, you can't get both mainstat and vitality, but by melding crafted accessories, you can. They're lower ilevel, so you get less of each stat, but it makes for a more efficient tradeoff. For example, with the i190 Gordian rings, you have to choose between 40 STR or 40 VIT, but with melded Chrysolite rings, you can have 31 STR and 29 VIT.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:08
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If you think healing a STR spec warrior in literally any fight currently out is harder than healing a VIT one, you're either bad or misguided.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:10
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This is a terrible thread full of terrible people with terrible opinions. Tanks are all bad no matter how they gear themselves, healers are whiny babies that will complain about everything because what else will they do with all that free time between heals, and every DPS has some kind of learning disability that will inevitably lead to an enrage timer wipe. Post more angry looking potatoes and Deus Ex outfits.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:10
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The healers act like red mages from ff11, making you say "thank you" for every single spell cast.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:14
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Carry a full load of vit and str accessories at all times and swap as needed before each engagement hth fucker scrubs :^)
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Jul 19, 2015 18:14
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bonewitch posted:Why are you not pre-casting heals for tank busters? What? We're not talking about tank busters, so I don't know how you inferred this or why it is relevant. bonewitch posted:You should never let the tank get in the position where you have to choose between healing them or healing a DPS unless the fight has gone completely and utterly to poo poo See below: Doresain posted:...keeping stupid DPS who DON'T dodge fire alive. I don't know why that is a controversial statement. bonewitch posted:If you think healing a STR spec warrior in literally any fight currently out is harder than healing a VIT one, you're either bad or misguided. Ok! poo poo, I'm bad, I never knew!  Thanks for telling me!I think I've stated my position and no one on either side of the debate is going to change their mind, so I'll duck out and let the thread with my bad player opinions get back to catgirls etc as it should be. Doresain fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 18:17
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Maybe healers should just stop healing anyone who isn't a tank unless it's a raid-wide attack. DPS shouldn't need healing, right? They don't have the hate of the boss.  "Oh you died? Sorry, I'm only healing the tank because it's his job to take the damage and he's wearing str instead of vit."
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Jul 19, 2015 18:29
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Vermain posted:The only two current fights in the game where I'd recommend some extra Vitality for the main tank are Ravana Extreme and A4, since those are the only cases where there's massive tankbusters going on at the same time as large amounts of raidwide damage. There's no reason to wear it outside of those two cases.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:45
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Pierson posted:What about A3? Specifically the hand phase with the stacking vulns? Not intending to be an rear end in a top hat, I have no investment in this argument I'm just curious. Because that phase has seen me on sub-1000 health more than any other phase of any other fight in Heavensward so far.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:48
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ilifinicus posted:you're supposed to share the damage with the other tank until it splits, then you tank them in opposite directions so both tanks don't get hit by the stacks
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Jul 19, 2015 18:49
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I'm not sure what to think about this until Belzac weighs in.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:49
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Healing someone at critical HP, 1000/13000, generates a lot more Limit Break than healing someone at 5000/17000, so obviously tanks should spend all their time in STR gear.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:06
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Pierson posted:Now you just need to be good enough to 4-man Savage Alex and you can sell infinite Alex tokens! Tokens still drop for the 1 newbie if the other 7 have cleared that fight for the week already.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:09
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Mordiceius posted:Maybe healers should just stop healing anyone who isn't a tank unless it's a raid-wide attack. DPS shouldn't need healing, right? They don't have the hate of the boss. Actually, this is exactly what you should do. Regen/fairy healing is much more mp efficient, but you lose out on the time efficiency of direct healing. Since DPS shouldn't be taking damage very often, you can let them slowly get back up to full health over 20 seconds instead spamming cure on them. Plus, that gives them enough time to remember that they have second wind or bloodbath, which means you can give even less of a poo poo about them.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:15
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Every time this DF Ninja used Trick Attack.
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Pierson posted:We do that but it still has both of us dangerously low. I guess I've just been cursed with bad healers. That's why you save all your cooldowns for that phase, because you really don't need them for any other part of the fight.
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