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I guess that it. What the gently caress is that poo poo? He's literally ranting against stuff that people LIKE him wanted to be put in place, and showing Occupy protesters being arrested. Did he have a seniors moment or something?
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Gravel Gravy posted:I wouldn't say he was actively leading it. But at best he did enable it. Obviously the correct response would be, "No he is not, and it would not matter if he was." And to his credit, McCain got halfway there. So "at best he enabled it" is a good way to put it. It was fascinating to see him in that moment of realizing how far the right-wing hate machine had gone off the rails though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U
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In regards to conspiracy theories: I had a student several years ago that was big, BIG into conspiracy theories. He even tried to show me during lunch about how jet fuel cannot melt steel beams and how this video totally shows that it was thermite. I tried to explain to him rationally and I focused on motivation as the main tactic. "What would this gain those doing the conspiracy." But nothing ever reached him. One day, we were waiting to switch classes and the student brought up conspiracies about JFK's assassination. I told him about how the one that I thought was most likely was how Starbucks killed JFK. I spun a web of complete bullshit and afterwards, he just shook his head agreeing with me and said "I never thought of them before." When I told him that I had made it all up right then and there, it looked like I broke his mind. Sometimes, the best way to handle conspiracy theories is to out crazy the theorist.
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That's a tactic many Skeptics have suggested in dealing with CTs. With 9/11 you have such a huge choice in what theories you want to spit out. Someone claiming that thermite brought the buildings down, you counter that it was space lasers that brough them down and the planes were holograms. As long as its something that refutes the official story, they'll accept it. They're more interested in showing that they know "the truth man!" and show how they're awake and not like the sheeple they'll accept anything. I don't think Cts are right or left wing, their crazy is pretty much the same but they come about it in different ways, but the end result is the same.
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ShadowCatboy posted:A major finding was that her occipital lobe (which processes vision) was most severely damaged so she could not have been consciously seeing anything. No, no, no, oh Christ, no.
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twistedmentat posted:That's a tactic many Skeptics have suggested in dealing with CTs. With 9/11 you have such a huge choice in what theories you want to spit out. Someone claiming that thermite brought the buildings down, you counter that it was space lasers that brough them down and the planes were holograms. As long as its something that refutes the official story, they'll accept it. They're more interested in showing that they know "the truth man!" and show how they're awake and not like the sheeple they'll accept anything. MTHEL chemical lasers shot from the Pentagon, with a Boeing AWACS plane using a decoy camo system to simulate the planes hitting the tower. I'm going to try to remember this one the next time I go home and my dad's CT friend shows up. It'll be fun for days.
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Sephyr posted:Trump's only mistake at this point would be to apologize. I have a funny feeling Trump will never make that particular mistake.
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Hazo posted:Definitely. Remember that insane racist lady at one of his town halls who was asked why Obama was bad and she just said, "He's an Arab"? 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hoping Bernie gets the Democratic nod and the right wing splits into fragmented madness. Then the media bitches about a socialist in the Executive not being able to accomplish anything and a Republican is elected four years later.
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It's hard to explain to people how shady and shadowy the Bush administration felt at the time. I was younger, so I have an excuse, and hey, the crazies turned out to be right about the government using cell phones to collect data on people. I remember when suggesting the NSA was collecting information via cell networks was largely regarded as conspiracy theory territory. It would literally get you laughed out of D&D. September 11th happened, and then all of a sudden, two years later, we found ourselves at war with Iraq over some really shoddy pretenses. It was obvious that there was an ulterior motive. Except later when it was revealed that no, Bush and his cohorts were really dumb enough to think that invading and toppling Saddam would literally be enough for these people to adopt representative democracy and then vote to let Halliburton handle all Iraqi oil in perpetuity. I think a lot of people couldn't bring themselves to realize that the neocons were simply a group of people with disastrous policies and goals who intended to stick with them regardless of the damage to society. There were other things about the Bush administration that were shady, like the high level business associations (no-bid contracts for the VPs former company) and the elections themselves. Someone realized that in fact, two can play at this game, and now there are tons of 'right-wing' conspiracy theories, the most prominent being that global warming is a hoax.
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twistedmentat posted:So in the facebook groups I belong to that watch right wing and CT stuff, mostly mocking it, a video keeps getting shared that labeled The video that got "Napoliano fired from Fox News!" and "Napoliano blows the lid off *instert crazy CT thing here". I haven't watched it because its always a Worldtruth, beforeitsnews or Infowars link, and I will never give a site like that a click even to see what crazy is looking like today. I don't know why it's been circulating recently, but the video is from 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QT8Q-Hcll0 His show was canceled soon after, maybe as a result of that particular crazy rant? He's still on Fox News all the time, so they couldn't have been that bothered by it.
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jerk1000 posted:I don't know why it's been circulating recently, but the video is from 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QT8Q-Hcll0 Fox doesn't have a problem with unhinged actual-crazy-person rants, they've kept the Jeanine Pirro show on air for four and a half years now.
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Apparently, he told his crazy fans to stop writing angry letters and that the show was cancelled for low ratings.
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Goatman Sacks posted:There's some speculation that he blew his afterburner in the face of the guy behind him to show off, which cooked off the ordnance that started the whole thing - which was promptly covered up by Admiral Daddy. How does it feel to be a swift boater? Plenty of pilots crash planes, and we don't poo poo on them. So far we have heard this, the afterburner, being a lovely pilot for being shot down, cowardice and what not. All in this forum. He was shot down over a high risk SAM-area on a combat flight. He was by far not the only person on Forrestal alone to have crashed multiple aircraft. He endured half a decade of torture and opted to stay to and not use his high status as a ticket out. To this day he remains the republican opposed to torture. His sorties were even close air support into battle zones, not some orphanage carpet bombing from 30k feet. He was injured by a bomb explosion trying to help an injured aviator out of another plane inside the fire. He volunteered for more combat duty after Forrestal was disabled. He got loving medals for flying sorties over Vietnam. He was reported to defend people who were bullied during his education. His service was fine and he was a badass naval officer. There are millions of reasons to trash Senator McCain but it's absolute bullshit to try to drum up poo poo on Captain McCain. This is no way different from trashing Kerry, another naval officer that served with honor. Stop being a swiftboater just because of politics. And oh? A-4 Skyhawk has no afterburner. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Vahakyla posted:How does it feel to be a swift boater? Yeah, McCain is an rear end in a top hat but getting shot down in that area is just a thing that happened. No explanation is really necessary.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:00
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Coohoolin posted:Is that a random Muslim family or did something particular happen? P sure that's the Chattanooga shooter in the back. The mole is pretty distinctive.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:01
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Vahakyla posted:How does it feel to be a swift boater? That's understandable, but it is also understandable that some people don't separate the two since they are the same person and that the more recent McCain seems to gleefully support sending Americans to fight lovely wars that are not too different in some ways to the one he fought and suffered in. His military background, when cast in the context of his politics, can seem very different to people who find his political stances disgusting. That doesn't mean that he didn't do the things that he did, but it greatly diminishes their visibility, and it is completely and utterly understandable (but not right) as to why he might be a target of "swiftboating". It would seem his own experiences don't seem to matter that much to him given his stance on war, so I could see why others wouldn't respect his experiences, or even question their validity in some cases. It is a shame, but he's also had every opportunity to not be kind of a gross cheerleader for war.
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Coohoolin posted:Is that a random Muslim family or did something particular happen? its the recruter shooter and his family. apparently therefore we must be like north korea and punish the family.
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Coohoolin posted:Is that a random Muslim family or did something particular happen? I think it's the family of the Chattanooga shooter. Part of me wants to go off on how bills of attainder and corruption of blood are not legally justifiable things but it's Ann Coulter and she isn't worth the effort.
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Can you guys help me make heads or tails of this. Old, Old, Old piece of media, but I saw this during a google search and apparently this guy was actually taken seriously by the Tea Party. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123051100709638419 I'm a tad bit confused because this all seems to be coming from some Russian masturbatory fantasy mixed in with the plot of "AMERIKA". But I'm a tad bit confused as to why this guy even remotely thinks any of this would happen or would ever happen.
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Voyager I posted:I was serious about this from before. If a reasonably concise poo poo has been taken on Alex Jones somewhere I'd appreciate getting pointed in that direction. It's a lot to go through, but you might wanna read or just ask about him in the Conspiracy Theory thread. I know there's been takedowns of him in there before but honestly it's been so long and the thread is big enough that I can't tell you specifically where :/ site fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:Can you guys help me make heads or tails of this. I wonder about this too. I suspect it's an artifact of Russian state controlled media, like what Fox News does to some people's brains here. This kind of crypto-mystical nationalism finds really fertile ground in once-powerful collapsing states.
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Ah, yes. Familial Punishment.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I wonder about this too. I suspect it's an artifact of Russian state controlled media, like what Fox News does to some people's brains here. This kind of crypto-mystical nationalism finds really fertile ground in once-powerful collapsing states. I apologize for sounding like I've remotely bought into  -type propaganda, but it seems that historically even when the country is placed in it's worst moments? It finds ways to kind of rally together, solve the problem and then press on.The "Great Depression" comes to mind for example. The economic downturn we just witnessed doesn't seem to be any different. Americans as a whole seem to be very resourceful people. It's something that we're sold on in school and then we're kind of indoctrinated within the system for. I would kind of argue it has caused some harm, but has also probably allowed us as a country to continue to do what we do. The idea that Mexico would have any sort of control or influence on the US just seems extremely absurd to me. I don't mean that in regards to being disrespectful to Mexico, but it just feels really silly. I have been noticing this weird amount of cockiness coming from Russians lately. In the Nuke thread for example, I found a post off of a youtube video I found a kid that was literally hailing Putin while calling for a Nuclear strike against the US at the same time.
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Sir Tonk posted:Then the media bitches about a socialist in the Executive not being able to accomplish anything and a Republican is elected four years later. That's how it is now though.
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I guess the Napoliano video from 2012 was showing up because it was tied into "PERDICTS JADE HELM 15!!!!!". I always find people who are just itching for social collapse really scary, because you know they are just drawn to the idea of a world where they can shoot all the people they don't like and carve out their own kingdoms. That Russians predictions would fit perfectly in that hope. It's kinda like the predictions of "time traveler" John Titor who claimed that the US had collapsed and he lived in the south east who's citizen army armed with shotguns beat the Evil Government Army, which just oozes militia fantasies.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I apologize for sounding like I've remotely bought into What? This is incredibly silly.
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Badera posted:What? This is incredibly silly. Explain how.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I apologize for sounding like I've remotely bought into Historically, any country that doesn't by necessity is no longer a country.
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Alright, who edited the wiki article on this for it to say that Ray Liotta plays a marine sent to the island for killing his officer after he ordered him to shoot civilians in Ben-loving-ghazi?
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And execute Dylan's whole family. End the bloodline, salt the properties. Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Ah, yes. Familial Punishment. If it's good enough for Stalin and the Juche party
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Gravel Gravy posted:And execute Dylan's whole family. End the bloodline, salt the properties. I wonder why Ann Coulter didn't suggest this after the Charleston shooting. There must be something different about this family and Roof's family, I just can't quite figure out what it is...
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Coohoolin posted:What the christ is Jade Helm anyway? A routine military exercise that made crazy right wingers in Texas afraid that the US goverment is going to invade Texas and ship them off to Fema camps inside shut down Wal-Marts.
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Vahakyla posted:To this day he remains the republican opposed to torture.
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Flobbster posted:I wonder why Ann Coulter didn't suggest this after the Charleston shooting. There must be something different about this family and Roof's family, I just can't quite figure out what it is... I don't think she's playing coy about the inherent racism in her callouts...
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Coohoolin posted:What the christ is Jade Helm anyway? Depending on who you're listening to, it's either A Secret Plan by The Government to use Special Forces to Abduct Gun Owners into FEMA Camps via Tunnels Located Under Wal-Marts across The State of Texas for Mass Indoctrination and Theft of Land for Nefarious One World Government Purposes, or a military training event (ala Red Flag) organized by the government for special forces units expected to be deployed to hot, dry, areas such as the Middle East.
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