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Gonz posted:The T-1000 in Genisys seemed like it was nerfed down a bit. A few bullets to the chest and face not only slowed it down, but when it stopped to heal, I felt like it took longer than Robert Patrick's T-1000. Well of course, Robert Patrick-1000 was like 11 years more advanced!
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Shima Honnou posted:Well of course, Robert Patrick-1000 was like 11 years more advanced! Well, poo poo.
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Jul 19, 2015 10:36
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Turns out that mimetic polyalloy is like wine and only gets better with age.
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Jul 19, 2015 10:38
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Grendels Dad posted:That's another thing I quite liked in T1. The amount of punishment the Terminators absorb in subsequent movies is ridiculous, in the first movie the fact that a simple shotgun could slow him down somehow just heightens the tension. It's important to remember that the Terminators aren't even really that dangerous to the rebellion as soldiers in the first film. It's the bigger machines that can wipe out people by the boat-load. The T-800s are only dangerous because they can infiltrate and catch people unaware. And Arnold's only so unstoppable because they don't have any future weapons to use on him in the 80s. Skynet basically sent a grunt back in time because it was all it had.
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Lurdiak posted:It's important to remember that the Terminators aren't even really that dangerous to the rebellion as soldiers in the first film. It's the bigger machines that can wipe out people by the boat-load. The T-800s are only dangerous because they can infiltrate and catch people unaware. And Arnold's only so unstoppable because they don't have any future weapons to use on him in the 80s. I partly agree with this, except for that one flashback/dream Reese has. The terminator that manages to infiltrate that human base fucks things up something fierce, but I guess it's mostly because it has the element of surprise on its side. As a sidenote, it's pretty funny how almost every flashback Reese has ends with him seemingly dying.
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Right, what we see of the Future War (except T4) are nightmares and not to be taken literally. It's like deciding that presentations in the 20th century were all made in the nude.
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Jul 19, 2015 17:27
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ruby idiot railed posted:It's like deciding that presentations in the 20th century were all made in the nude. Wait...
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Grendels Dad posted:I partly agree with this, except for that one flashback/dream Reese has. The terminator that manages to infiltrate that human base fucks things up something fierce, but I guess it's mostly because it has the element of surprise on its side. As a sidenote, it's pretty funny how almost every flashback Reese has ends with him seemingly dying. Even still, the terminator got past the door security and didn't enter the base proper. We know that Reese survives it, but we don't know if it continued on it's massacre or someone put a RPG up it's rear end. However, the fact that it found the base means the outcome is worse, since now Skynet knows to direct resources to trap the humans there and smash it.
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Young Freud posted:Even still, the terminator got past the door security and didn't enter the base proper. We know that Reese survives it, but we don't know if it continued on it's massacre or someone put a RPG up it's rear end. However, the fact that it found the base means the outcome is worse, since now Skynet knows to direct resources to trap the humans there and smash it. And really, Skynet can churn those things out of a factory. All it takes is one infiltration unit to get inside a rebel bunker and kill a bunch of women/children and the humans' ability to live/procreate is majorly hampered. For SkyNet it would be an easy numbers game.
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Reese is very specific about how bad for the resistance Terminators, the T-800 specifically is. He says outright that they are "the worst" because they're able to infiltrate so well and blend in. The Hunter Killers (be the the aerial variety or the huge tanks) are lethal, but thanks to John Connor they developed strategies against them. In some of the T1 EU books/games the idea is that the resistance starts winning because John is able to comprehend the patterns with which Skynet sends the bigger hardware and robots out on patrols, so they're able to trick it more and more easily into sending forces one way while humans are transported or rescued from another. Then the robots are refined enough to make the Terminator and eventually the T-800 and that's a huge challenge, but overall they humans won.
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Grendels Dad posted:I partly agree with this, except for that one flashback/dream Reese has. The terminator that manages to infiltrate that human base fucks things up something fierce, but I guess it's mostly because it has the element of surprise on its side. As a sidenote, it's pretty funny how almost every flashback Reese has ends with him seemingly dying. Well it kind of had the advantage from infiltrating past the front door then gunning down/scattering the spooked guards, the rest was mostly fish in a barrel since it was packing that bigass rapid fire plasma cannon to shoot down range cramped corridors. Kind of the same deal with the police station assault; crashes through the front door in the middle of the night, kills the power and sweeps through room by room. With the combination of panic and access to only small arms the police were powerless, by the time they got access to the assault rifles it was too late.
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ruby idiot railed posted:Right, what we see of the Future War (except T4) are nightmares and not to be taken literally. 
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WarLocke posted:And really, Skynet can churn those things out of a factory. All it takes is one infiltration unit to get inside a rebel bunker and kill a bunch of women/children and the humans' ability to live/procreate is majorly hampered. For SkyNet it would be an easy numbers game. Not to mention all the food and water stores that are in each resistance bunker. All those cardboard boxes around Reese during that fight? Nabisco-contracted Civil Defense Survival Ration Crackers, which usually came with carbohydrate packets and potable water and chemical sanitation supplies. Even if the infiltration unit didn't kill all the people, no one's being able to haul all of that stuff out of there before Skynet calls in a Hunter-Killer strike.
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The imagery is sharp here, although not terribly subtlely used. To SkyNet, humanity is a threat to it's life, and Conner is Death. He has accepted this totally, and submitted his being to SkyNet's own vision of death in order to convey the idea that life and death define each other- without one, there isn't another. Strip that down to its bones and expand it into a narrative instead of a lecture, and you could get an entire good Terminator movie out of that page.
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ruby idiot railed posted:Right, what we see of the Future War (except T4) are nightmares and not to be taken literally. It's like deciding that presentations in the 20th century were all made in the nude. The purple lasers are still real to me, dammnit.
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CelticPredator posted:The purple lasers are still real to me, dammnit. They exists in movie alright, the Terminator even asks for one when gun shopping in the first. Waving away "Future War" as only a dream is hogwash. You could argue it might be a bit unreliable (Skulls everywhere) or incomplete(Conner didn't tell him much) since it is coming from a seriously traumatized but functional soldier whose existence is completely based around by not getting killed by robots and it's only one perspective. It's another thing that Salvation goes and fucks up.
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oohhboy posted:They exists in movie alright, the Terminator even asks for one when gun shopping in the first. Waving away "Future War" as only a dream is hogwash. You could argue it might be a bit unreliable (Skulls everywhere) or incomplete(Conner didn't tell him much) since it is coming from a seriously traumatized but functional soldier whose existence is completely based around by not getting killed by robots and it's only one perspective. The alternate ending of T2 explains that it's a dream, and Genysis made that canon. Straight from James Cameron. Every single Terminator film is about prophetic hallucinations that don't match actual events. Also, time travel's not real.
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Not in real life, sure.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The alternate ending of T2 explains that it's a dream, and Genysis made that canon. Straight from James Cameron. Every single Terminator film is about prophetic hallucinations that don't match actual events. Nu-uh, I won't let you take all the fun out of science. Forward time travel is theoretically possible. I miss your Architect avatar. I read all your posts in his voice. 
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quote:Also, time travel's not real. You're doing it right now!
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oohhboy posted:They exists in movie alright, the Terminator even asks for one when gun shopping in the first. "Just what you see here, pal."
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Saw the movie on Friday night in IMAX 3d. Really enjoyed it. Some thoughts:
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your evil twin posted:Saw the movie on Friday night in IMAX 3d. Really enjoyed it. IIRC that's because Kyle Reese told himself through his younger self that's when they go.
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Reese being different than he was portrayed in T1 actually opens up a neat (if possibly fanwanky) possibility. They really played up the 'John Connor is a prophet' stuff in the future war segments, and it just felt really... easy, for lack of a better word, for Connor. With all the time loop fuckery going on, maybe everything's been 'smoothed down' - the loop is still there, the war still happens, but each time John gets a little better at it, makes things a little easier for the humans. So by the time of Genesis, things have been done so many times that John and crew are in a position to have access to plenty of food and not be strung-out starving fighters. The Reese in Genesis literally is not the Reese from T1. One thing that struck me about the Connorbot was his confrontation/monologue in the bunker thing everyone was hiding against. He gives the "I will not stop, I cannot be reasoned with" terminator mantra, but it's a very strange thing to say as you're trying to either convert or kill someone. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it kind of felt like he didn't really "want" to kill them (even if he had to because of SkyNet programming) and this was an oblique way to tell them that? After all if he just wanted to kill them he had time in the hospital before the nanotech reveal. Matt Smith was surprisingly good as SkyNet. I wasn't sure they could re-tread the Salvation 'give SkyNet a face' thing and have it work, but Smith pulled it off IMO. "You didn't think it would be this easy, did you?" Also ties into the smoothed-over loop idea from before, SkyNet is learning new stuff in each iteration, and this time finally gets the nanotech working early enough to cause a major timeline crisis by converting John. Pops coming back as a T-1000 is kind of weird. Is he, like, a CPU chip floating around in a human-shaped mass of polyalloy? How would that even work?
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I agree, he's referencing what Kyle tells Sarah about the Terminator in T1 and will do everything in his power to make Skynet win, but he'd rather they join him than die too. quote:Pops coming back as a T-1000 is kind of weird. Is he, like, a CPU chip floating around in a human-shaped mass of polyalloy? How would that even work? I think the idea is just that he's controlling bits of it to replace his broken parts, like the arm, instead of an entire new body.
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Yeah Arnie lost his arm in the big final fight, and that's the arm you see has turned into a T-1000 style blade. I assume the liquid metal fixed/replaced all his damaged bits, but the rest of him is still him. So if they do a sequel movie, you'd still have Arnie going around shooting guns etc, and he wouldn't be able to turn into a puddle or change to look like other people, but he'll have an arm that can transform.
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The Arnold-1000 imagery is a repeat of Terminator Salvation's ending, although closer to the original plot. It's obviously referencing the end of Terminator 2, but with the roles reversed in a way that's far more successful than in Star Trek 2. Instead of melting both himself and the T-1000 to save John, Arnold merges with the T-1000 and kills John. So, in other words, the imagery is of Arnold emerging from the pool as the new leader of the resistance. A Terminator has killed John Connor and taken his place - so I wouldn't be surprised if Arnold uses his shape-shifting powers to literally become Connor (for some reason) in the sequels.
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your evil twin posted:It was dumb that they time travelled to just a couple of days before Genisys/Skynet is supposed to go active. (Though at the end of the movie the countdown was sped up so that the launch would happen several hours early, which I thought was a nice touch.) In Sarah Connor Chroncicles they travelled forward to a couple of years before Judgement Day, a much more sensible plan. Of course the explanation is that in the movie they wanted to have a countdown to disaster, while in the TV series they wanted there to be enough time for the show to last a few seasons. Can anyone come up with a fanwank explanation as to why they'd travel to just a couple of days before the Genisys launch? quote:My girlfriend felt that the film didn't do a great job of explaining what Genisys was meant to do, how it was different to Cloud stuff that we already have. Thanks to this thread, though, after the film I was able to tell her that it was an app that was supposed to allow you to link all your devices regardless of brand (Microsoft/Apple/Android), and the way it works is that it is actually an artificial intelligence that hacks your devices and takes control of all of them.
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I saw Jurassic World and Terminator Genisys recently and I can honestly say I thought Terminator was the better film and is getting unfairly panned for whatever reasons. It's a shame too, because the story was pretty compelling and had a general logic to it that made sense if you don't overthink it. One of my general pet peeves with modern action movies is the lack of care or tension in characters when they react to poo poo happening around them, especially when stakes are escalated. Jurassic World is especially guilty of this when literally no one seems to care whenever people get killed. In Genisys, there was at least an attempt to put some weight behind the events happening. People freak out and react to things. Jai Courtney is a bit of a weak actor, but he at least tried. Unfortunately his biggest talent is scowling and looking annoyed. I would honest like a sequel to this, though the movie's apparently bombing pretty badly. drat shame really.
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iamsosmrt posted:I would honest like a sequel to this, though the movie's apparently bombing pretty badly. drat shame really. Good news they're working on two!
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RBA Starblade posted:Good news they're working on two!  I cannot self terminate. You must push the button.
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Self Termination jokes are never not funny. I am happy with more movies because that means more Arnie.
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iamsosmrt posted:I would honest like a sequel to this, though the movie's apparently bombing pretty badly. drat shame really. Isn't this still going to be released in China?
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japtor posted:More sequels mean more chances of seeing more purple lasers! Put all the future bits together and you might get the movie you want! So long as any Reese, or Connor isn't on screen, I can do that! CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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RBA Starblade posted:Good news they're working on two! They officially going ahead with it?
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Immortan posted:Isn't this still going to be released in China? Nope. Sorry, bud, but if you want to watch Terminator Genyzyz you're going to have to wait until you're back in a real country.
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iamsosmrt posted:They officially going ahead with it? Wikipedia says so, anyway. Schwarzenegger says he's in the first one.
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iamsosmrt posted:They officially going ahead with it? They have about five years until they lose the rights, they're going to make as much as they can regardless of quality until then.
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