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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

I think you mean Brahmins :colbert:

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Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.
It's as if he had written that thing in 2007, only he didn't.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

They're only failing if you think the economy is for everyone's benefit.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Cingulate posted:

It's as if he had written that thing in 2007, only he didn't.

He probably read this in September 2008 and still had it as a "cached thought". You really have to read it, it helped prime the LW-sphere to love NRx (and has a pile of NRx in the comments).

Oh, LessWrongers on whether or not to use their own made-up pseudophilosophical terms: "Is this really a good reference on common sense vs. cached thought? How does this reference clarify the concept of cached thought? Philosophy is suspect by default."

divabot has a new favorite as of 21:22 on Jul 18, 2015

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

divabot posted:

He probably read this in September 2008 and still had it as a "cached thought". You really have to read it, it helped prime the LW-sphere to love NRx (and has a pile of NRx in the comments).

Oh, LessWrongers on whether or not to use their own made-up pseudophilosophical terms: "Is this really a good reference on common sense vs. cached thought? How does this reference clarify the concept of cached thought? Philosophy is suspect by default."

This is basically the most pathetic thing I've ever read.

I can't tell if he's begging for the scraps so they'll notice him(which if I recall, that's what Yud lives off of, isn't it? Isn't he funded by Peter Thiel?)or it's just the desire for a comforting world where Very Smart People make Very Hard Decisions to fix everything.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Night10194 posted:

This is basically the most pathetic thing I've ever read.
I can't tell if he's begging for the scraps so they'll notice him(which if I recall, that's what Yud lives off of, isn't it? Isn't he funded by Peter Thiel?)or it's just the desire for a comforting world where Very Smart People make Very Hard Decisions to fix everything.

Note commenter mtraven pointing out the elites had literally just hosed up stupendously. His comment is downvoted to -1. Later he would write this essay on libertarians, neoreactionaries and "rationalists".

This was mentioned here in Ye Olde LW Mock Thread. To quote one response:

Namarrgon posted:

I especially like the part where he first emphasizes on how these CEOs are totally not there on power of charisma and further on admits that he doesn't remember any revelation but it was the general feeling.
No doublethink there.

And in conclusion, we must all use the phrase "sparkly power elite" more often.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

divabot posted:

He probably read this in September 2008 and still had it as a "cached thought". You really have to read it, it helped prime the LW-sphere to love NRx (and has a pile of NRx in the comments).

Oh, LessWrongers on whether or not to use their own made-up pseudophilosophical terms: "Is this really a good reference on common sense vs. cached thought? How does this reference clarify the concept of cached thought? Philosophy is suspect by default."

You'd think that they would have some affection for Heidegger at least in light of the way he spent the '30s.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Moldbug's The magic of symmetric sovereignty (19 May 2007) is one of his early works. You can tell because it's short, comprehensible and gets its point across in 1,666 words, rather than barely getting started in that much space.

Its thesis is that totalitarian sovereignty would work well in certain conditions. Its arguments are made of handwaves and holes, but the interesting bit is the libertarian-style thinking: in which all the hard bits of politics, and why humans are complicated, are handwaved away because he wants his reasoning to work so much.

In this regard, it's useful as a microcosm of his rambling epics and a guide to the bad thinking therein: if something looks like an insufficiently-explained logical leap, don't assume he'll get around to properly explaining himself later. He thinks like the libertarian he used to be, or how reading too much Yudkowsky trains you to think about LessWrong (where you keep assuming the references to references to references will at some point resolve to something clearly explained and well-supported, which of course never happens). Whereas the actual foundations of his beliefs are being a Silicon Valley smugularity.

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Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I think you mean Brahmins :colbert:

But he says that the Brahmins are a bunch of commies.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Merdifex posted:

But he says that the Brahmins are a bunch of commies.

America is a communist* country.

* A word which here means something completely different than what other people mean when they say "communist"

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

America is a communist* country.

* A word which here means something completely different than what other people mean when they say "communist"


America is literally located on the Moon

[t/n: literally means figuratively and also not]

The Time Dissolver
Nov 7, 2012

Are you a good person?

The Vosgian Beast posted:

America is a communist* country.

* A word which here means something completely different than what other people mean when they say "communist"

Quit motte-and-baileying, Moldbug! :argh:

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Reddit poster in /r/newright, reposted with approval on More Right:

quote:

Similarly, Western culture refuses to acknowledge that break ups are traumatic. We all notice the symptoms, but refuse to connect cause and effect. We find that increasing numbers of young women are anorexic or go to the plastic surgeon to slice off their genitals, but we don't question whether this could have anything to do with boyfriends who have plenty of comparison material and alternative girls to go to. Boys on the other hand become "manorexic" and spend their days in the gym.

Emphasis mine. Even in crazy eats-glue-with-big-words language, I have no loving idea what he's talking about there. Nobody in the sub, or in the several subs it was reposted to with approval, question this claim either. Labiaplasty exists, but there are no "increasing numbers" of it, and particularly not amongst the baby boomers he's talking about - most press coverage is extremely recent and is plastic surgeons trying to drum up business. edit: in comments on the original post, someone deconstructs the genital claim. "The author uses made up words, pseudo science claims and unclear wording to try and make it look like it has meaning but all that does is prevents any real debunking. The only time the author comes close to a real claim that can be researched the evidence is pretty solidly against the authors claimed cause and effect relationship."

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
I'm just reminded of this

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!!

LessWrong gets a fair bit of play as the neoreactionary incubator, but to be fair OvercomingBias, where the LessWrong Sequences originally ran, was and is hugely friendly to NRx tropes. Particularly cuckoldry, which Robin Hanson has much important information on. Women rarely rape men, but they do cuckold them, after all. And he'd just like to explicitly equate the two, in answer to you foolish irrational humans who are not GMU econ professors. Searching the blog for the word "cuckold" finds many revelatory posts.

(I will give Hanson important points over the typical LW or NRx: he has genuine degrees he actually earnt and shows signs of expertise, at least in his field itself. But Jesus H. Yudkowsky, how the gently caress is this guy still married.)

The RationalWiki article needs more on the OB/Hanson link to early NRx, but that may well need the help of someone who was reading at the time (I only started late 2010).

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

divabot posted:

These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!!

They're alphas who totally get laid all the time though, the ladies cannot get enough of dudes like this.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

They're alphas who totally get laid all the time though, the ladies cannot get enough of dudes like this.


The important point is that those guys are not only obviously huge-penised testosterone hydrants, but unbeatably l33t gamers too.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

divabot posted:

The important point is that those guys are not only obviously huge-penised testosterone hydrants, but unbeatably l33t gamers too.

Note to self: If NRxers ever enter a gaming tournament, bet against them.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I'm just reminded of this


Honestly what's most striking about this is how the porno poster looks more aesthetically appealing than the major-studio produced TV show.

Also: the show takes place in Texas, so of course there are cows everywhere. The alternative would be to use goats:

And nobody wants that.

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Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


The Vosgian Beast posted:

I'm just reminded of this


There was a time when if someone said "cuckold" I would have asked if it was 1880 and broken into my worst fake RP accent. A more innocent time.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Woolie Wool posted:

There was a time when if someone said "cuckold" I would have asked if it was 1880 and broken into my worst fake RP accent. A more innocent time.

That image is what GBS actually believes.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

The Vosgian Beast posted:

That image is what GBS actually believes.

For real? I thought GBS was just dumb thoughtless cynics, not weirdo conspiracy theorists.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I'm just reminded of this

I'm honestly pretty creeped out by the knowledge that some NRx guy is watching a kid's show and coming up with all sorts of sexual undertones to whatever that 14 year old girl is doing with an animal.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Curvature of Earth posted:

For real? I thought GBS was just dumb thoughtless cynics, not weirdo conspiracy theorists.

Nah, they just use the word cuckold because they're angry at sex-havers and view it as the revenge of the nerds.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Nah, they just use the word cuckold because they're angry at sex-havers and view it as the revenge of the nerds.

It's also a Gamergate thing, since the whole thing was kicked off by a dude's girlfriend cheating on him the cuck meme is this weird dogwhistle that sprung up in its wake.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Cingulate posted:

I'm honestly pretty creeped out by the knowledge that some NRx guy is watching a kid's show and coming up with all sorts of sexual undertones to whatever that 14 year old girl is doing with an animal.

These are the kind of people who can watch a cartoon intended to teach eight year old girls about friendship and think it's about the glory of the white race.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Sleeveless posted:

It's also a Gamergate thing, since the whole thing was kicked off by a dude's girlfriend cheating on him the cuck meme is this weird dogwhistle that sprung up in its wake.

Yeah, basically it was an occasional concept in NRx and a big one in men's rights activism (and I want to know how Hanson ended up doing quite so much hard thinking on the topic), then channers started using "cuck" as a generic term of abuse and the white-nationalist/channer end of NRx uses the word pretty much continuously.

I will credit the pompous Moldbuggians for not bothering with Gamergate. The alt-right end, who are basically Nazis anyway, are of course right into it. Weev, you top fellow.

(I would not believe even the original claim that she cheated on him. Pretty much no Gator claim checks out, even the plausible ones. If a Gator says the sky is blue, make drat sure you look out the window.)

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Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Night10194 posted:

This is basically the most pathetic thing I've ever read.

I can't tell if he's begging for the scraps so they'll notice him(which if I recall, that's what Yud lives off of, isn't it? Isn't he funded by Peter Thiel?)or it's just the desire for a comforting world where Very Smart People make Very Hard Decisions to fix everything.

They roped in Elon Musk as well.

http://futureoflife.org/AI/AI_beneficial

10 million for more Harry Potter and MLP fanfiction! I don't think MIRI has delivered anything else but a shitload of :words:, and reading those is a good motivation for any AI that does not eat glue after the first hundred builds to hit the nuke-the-planet button.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
From the old thread, how the Rationalists actually think through real problems. I think we might be lucky they consider "politics is the mind killer":

Patter Song posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/23wmr4/repost_from_askreddit_because_i_figure_the/

So, on the subreddit discussing Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, someone posed the question asking if you were to wake up and find it June 1st, 1942 and that you'd taken the place of Adolf Hitler, what would you do.

I have never seen people fail a morality test so loving hard before. A good two thirds/three quarters of the responses are attempts to minmax Nazi Germany into an unstoppable juggernaut fueled by 21st century science, and the people who say things about trying to sabotage the war effort are laughed off.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I'm just reminded of this


I'm the #niCUCKelodeon :allears:

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The Vosgian Beast posted:

That image is what GBS actually believes.
Sneaking your fetish stuff into a boring work assignment seems like something that GBS should be praising though.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Oh. And try very hard, if I do lose WW2, to make sure Eugenics is not tainted quite so strongly by association with Nazi Germany.

yes thanks Mr LessWronger that'll be all for today door's over there no no don't call us

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

"It's wrong and bad to assume something is bad just because it has bad origins"

"Progressivism is basically just Calvinism"

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

The Vosgian Beast posted:

They're alphas who totally get laid all the time though, the ladies cannot get enough of dudes like this.


I want to know the context of this photo. Either he has no idea about presenting himself, so he felt that a random picture taken at a truck stop at 11pm is a good way to do it, or this it from when he was caught shoplifting and they took this photo because he was banned from 7/11.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

twistedmentat posted:

I want to know the context of this photo. Either he has no idea about presenting himself, so he felt that a random picture taken at a truck stop at 11pm is a good way to do it, or this it from when he was caught shoplifting and they took this photo because he was banned from 7/11.

I don't know the context of the photo. The dude is Matt Forney, who makes a living off of e-books about how to quit masturbating, and writing dumb trollshit on his blog and then profiting off the ad revenue from hateclicks.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I don't know the context of the photo. The dude is Matt Forney, who makes a living off of e-books about how to quit masturbating, and writing dumb trollshit on his blog and then profiting off the ad revenue from hateclicks.

I assumed its pretty cheap to live in a van down by the river.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Billy Gnosis posted:

I assumed its pretty cheap to live in a van down by the river.

You don't get a well-groomed bald head by being homeless.

He lives in a friend's basement.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Curvature of Earth posted:

You don't get a well-groomed bald head by being homeless.

He lives in a friend's basement.

He should bunk with his mountain climbing buddy, Davis Aurini.

Dean of Swing
Feb 22, 2012

Ladies, contain your orgasms.

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sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Nah, they just use the word cuckold because they're angry at sex-havers and view it as the revenge of the nerds.
I figured it was because someone funny said "cuck" once and GBS posters set up ad hoc cargo cults around whatever the last funny thing they read was.

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