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Kild posted:Yeah they mention Superman travelling 25 light years in 10 minutes then we see in this Episode Whis going across the universe in 25m Presumably Whis is using some sort of magic rather than pure speed, but yeah there is that. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:"Superman heard a noise on Earth from a neighboring star, we will take this to mean he is stronger than God and not that DC hires hacks without restraint." I mean, ignoring the issue with the fact that sound doesn't work this way, I get what they're going for. The argument that "Superman is written by hacks" doesn't negate the fact that superman has ridiculous powers. It explains it, sure, but if you're comparing superman to Goku you sort of have to accept that superman is going to be straight up retarded because he's been written by hundreds of people over nearly a century. That said I think what gets in my craw the most is Their handwaving of doomsday. Superman shouldn't necessarily lose because of the doomsday fight since you can argue that he got If Superman can lose to Doomsday, which he absolutely did, then he isn't without limits. Superman has an arbitrarily high limit and you could even argue that he rises to the limit of whatever challenge he is supposed to face, but he can be beaten. This hack bullshit of he is a man without limits and thus impossible to defeat is simply wrong. And don't even get me started on the stupid bullshit of Superman can lift more than Goku because christ that is a fundamental misunderstanding of how cultures differentiate. Superman is a Herculean hero, he is one who shows his strength by performing impossible feats. Goku by contrast is an Eastern hero, one whose power comes in the form of inner resolve. It isn't a mistake that Goku can be hurt by a thrown rock or a blaster when he doesn't think he's fighting.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Superman has very, very bad writing, you see, so he wins. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:"Superman heard a noise on Earth from a neighboring star, we will take this to mean he is stronger than God and not that DC hires hacks without restraint." Unfortunately, that actually often is the case - and Death Battle generally tries to silence the 'you didn't consider X!' arguments by, indeed, taking the most ridiculous examples they can find. And to be honest? They were just scratching the surface of just how dumb some writers of Superman have gotten (and yes, the likes of Geoff Johns do heavily lean into the 'he is the strongest in the universe' notion even though that makes no sense). But hey, at least I have Birthright and Secret Origin. I'm honestly kinda curious on Dragonball's future in parallel to that. I mean yes, you get 'retellings' like the SD series, but it seems clear that's not meant to replace the original as the current 'true' version of the character. Yet at the same time, the series ultimately makes money (hence we're getting Super), and Toriyama isn't going to be around forever. Would they just limit themselves to another anime remaster/reanimation, or actually try to 'fix' the manga proper?
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Jul 19, 2015 20:53
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I'm not trying to say that DBZ isn't really self-indulgent at times, nor that they could simply discard the mountain of dumb poo poo DC has actually put out about Superman were they trying to do a fair analysis. I'm saying they honestly don't give a poo poo so they just use the dumbest poo poo they could find to justify their decision so they could get around to the bad animation and get those clicks rolling in. This also applies to every Death Battle video I've watched.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:56
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Why should I? Or don't, whatever. Vegeta can eat ice cream and you can look at that other guy's tumblr and talk about how cool Piccolo is when he blushes. 
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Jul 19, 2015 20:59
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There have never been stakes in Dragon Ball
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Jul 19, 2015 21:02
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Superman vs Goku would end in friendship. Its best to just accept it. 
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Jul 19, 2015 21:04
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I hope they keep doing superman vs. goku forever because it really pisses off nerds from both parties and that owns my facebook feed is just people complaining left and right, and playing both sides in order to upset people who are too into fanfiction fightmans is the most fun I've had since I made my account lol
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Jul 19, 2015 21:10
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I always thought the whole point of Death Battle was to take the most ridiculous extremes of two characters and have them fight. Limiting one character's abilities to be "more fair" is just making for a less entertaining fight. If you're pairing off the Superman who lost to loving Doomsday against SSGSS Goku then what's even the point? Also it's a cheapass webseries that can't afford a decent animator, who the gently caress cares about the results so long as it's entertaining. It's never gonna be an official source for these kind of debates since nerds are gonna sperg about the results and argue over specific circumstances until the end of time anyway.
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This week confirms it: DBS needs more Piccolo. Much more Piccolo.Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I'm not trying to say that DBZ isn't really self-indulgent at times, nor that they could simply discard the mountain of dumb poo poo DC has actually put out about Superman were they trying to do a fair analysis. I'm saying they honestly don't give a poo poo so they just use the dumbest poo poo they could find to justify their decision so they could get around to the bad animation and get those clicks rolling in. Every time somebody's made me watch Death Battle my sphincter goes into cringe spasms every time the "gruff" guy opens his mouth to spew the most lovely jokes literally every 10 seconds. Then I skip to the end to see some brain meltingly dumb result and don't care because it's goddamn Death Battle.
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i like death battle when characters i like win. i don't like death battle when characters i don't like win.
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Thunderbro posted:Every time somebody's made me watch Death Battle my sphincter goes into cringe spasms every time the "gruff" guy opens his mouth to spew the most lovely jokes literally every 10 seconds. Then I skip to the end to see some brain meltingly dumb result and don't care because it's goddamn Death Battle. Boomstick is the loving worst Also if you're into skipping the "data" to go right into the poorly made fight, there's another series on their channel called "One Minute Melee" that's just two characters fighting each other with a brief intro. No stats, no justifications, actually decent animation most of the time.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:17
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Neo_Crimson posted:i like death battle when characters i like win. i don't like death battle when characters i don't like win. I don't even like it when my favorite wins, I just wasted my loving time either way and I really should know better.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:19
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After Goku is wished back to life AGAIN, and continues to try to fight Superman, Superman should be all "Yeah you know what, okay. You win. There. I can kill you, but I can't BEAT you." And Goku will be like "yeeeey! Hey lets go get Icecream!" and then they do. The End.
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no, they need to do a fusion to fight a fused Lex Luthor/Gold Frieza. BioMetaGoldenLexFrieza vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan SupermanLumberjack Bonanza posted:I don't even like it when my favorite wins, I just wasted my loving time either way and I really should know better. we post in the DBZ thread, we gave up our rights to whine about watching time-wasting bullshit a long time ago Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Ak Gara posted:After Goku is wished back to life AGAIN, and continues to try to fight Superman, Superman should be all "Yeah you know what, okay. You win. There. I can kill you, but I can't BEAT you." agreed. Its a guy who can't lose versus a guy who won't give up.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:27
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Super Cyanman vs Lord Lex. 
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As a thought experiment; do you think there would be as much frustration at the slow pace of Super if we hadn't seen Battle of Gods already and this was all brand new content?
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jivjov posted:As a thought experiment; do you think there would be as much frustration at the slow pace of Super if we hadn't seen Battle of Gods already and this was all brand new content? It'd probably be much the same, except people would be really worried about these Whis and Beerus guys being lame GTish villains.
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jivjov posted:As a thought experiment; do you think there would be as much frustration at the slow pace of Super if we hadn't seen Battle of Gods already and this was all brand new content? Probably less so in my books. Right now my only complaint in Super is that it's still similar enough that I'd really like them to get to the new stuff. That and King Kai's voice.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:46
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Honestly I think most of the complaints would have gone away if they had led with a big fight. Maybe a reanimated version of the World Tournament from the end of Z and then a flashback to "Here's what happened between Buu and here"
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Jul 19, 2015 21:48
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Can you kill Goku with the Death Note? Is there a rule about killing a guy that's already died?
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It pretty much is the combination of the current slow pace and vaguely knowing what should be coming. Probably the closest comparison I can think of is how a lot of people treat the Great Saiyaman stuff (though I personally love it) when what they often want is to get right to the Buu plot kicking in.
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Squallege posted:Can you kill Goku with the Death Note? Is there a rule about killing a guy that's already died? yes you can kill Goku with the death note, it's not going to be the first time he's died of a heart attack.
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Exercu posted:yes you can kill Goku with the death note, it's not going to be the first time he's died of a heart attack. Oh poo poo "heart disease" or death note? Future Trunks universe is the Death Note universe
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Squallege posted:Oh poo poo "heart disease" or death note? Future Trunks universe is the Death Note universe Future Bulma figured out the cure for death by Death Note?
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Jul 19, 2015 22:51
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KO by lobotomy is super lame, he didn't even use his Final Explosion
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Firstborn posted:Wake me when there's actual stakes in this show. You've posted whining about the lack of action about a dozen times over the whole 2 episodes of this series maybe it just isn't for you.
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Flagrama posted:Future Bulma figured out the cure for death by Death Note? Presumably when Frieza came to earth in the original timeline Goku was an idiot and let him live (again). Frieza then stumbled onto the death note and wrote himself killing Goku into the book. Then Goku died of a heart attack because lets be honest, that isn't possible at all.
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Astro Nut posted:It pretty much is the combination of the current slow pace and vaguely knowing what should be coming. Probably the closest comparison I can think of is how a lot of people treat the Great Saiyaman stuff (though I personally love it) when what they often want is to get right to the Buu plot kicking in. That's definitely the best comparison, it was a long slow lead up to get to actual fighting in the Buu Saga that just let you know what everyone is up to.
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I don't think it's asking too much to want to see the people whose sole ambition is to be the best at punching things to punch something at some point.
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I think people should enjoy the chill, character-driven episodes while they still exist, because they won't last and then we'll enter fights that we've already seen before, because you're kidding yourself if you think Goku vs Beerus will go any different from how it did in Battle of Gods. Everyone will get beaten up, Vegeta will THAT'S MY BULMAAAA, and then Goku turns into the most disappointing Super Saiyan form, fails to actually do anything significant with it, then loses. Personally I wish these episodes didn't have to end, since Dragon Ball really, really can use with the character building, especially after how Resurrection "F" was ALL BATTLES ALL THE TIME, and because of it was a worse movie than Battle of Gods. I want punchmans in my punchman anime as much as anyone but jesus, this is good too. And this is good and unusual!
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Jul 19, 2015 23:07
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Yeah I like these episodes. I prefer this sort of pacing to "fights" where 70% of the fight is closeups of people talking. I mean I want fighting too but I can wait
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Jul 19, 2015 23:27
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I'll take disappointing Super Saiyan God over stupid Super Saiyan 4. Talk about dumbfuck designs.
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I do wish the translation wasn't so drat dry. But I guess that's what you get when reheating leftovers.
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Jul 19, 2015 23:36
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Babe Magnet posted:no, they need to do a fusion to fight a fused Lex Luthor/Gold Frieza. BioMetaGoldenLexFrieza vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Superman  The Ultimate Warrior.
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Jul 19, 2015 23:37
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is there a link to the new episode with subs? i think the last two were linked here
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Jul 19, 2015 23:50
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Drowning Rabbit posted:So if I understand this "Awaken" thing correctly, you can only awaken them one time, and they won't become their higher rank version, with the ability to be awakened again. So I have a Normal Yamcha that I awakened to Rare, but now he's stuck as Rare, and Super Teq. I also have a Rare Yamcha, but I can awaken that one still to make him SR. I wouldn't be too concerned about it yet, since link combos are probably more important at the moment, and there's basically only 2 ssrs for the time being(not counting that there are different types of ss goku and ss vegeta) Admittedly the super saiyans do have pretty solid leader skills, but vegeta at the very least is somewhat limited in who he can link with, since it's basically ss goku, radditz, Nappa, trunks, and regular vegeta. I was lucky enough to get two ss vegetas, but you can't have two of the same version of a character on a team, so I've only been linking him with regular vegeta and random guest leaders whenever they pop up since I don't have any of the other saiyans. Chichi and gohan are probably doing the most damage on my team at the moment. Also saw a Dokkan mode super attack. It was pretty rad.
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Kelp Plankton posted:is there a link to the new episode with subs? i think the last two were linked here Mod sayeth don't talk of 
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Kelp Plankton posted:is there a link to the new episode with subs? i think the last two were linked here Its the first result on google.
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