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Neila Nuruodo posted:The people complaining about Kvothe as a character kinda crack me up, though. Obviously they have no experience with people who thought they were strong and then were broken by life. Live a little and come back to the books, my friends. You'll be surprised at the insight it gives you. Or maybe different people respond differently to life and Kvothe is actually not a very well written character. It's weird to consider, I know, but maybe if you live a little and come back to the books, my friend, you'll be surprised at the insight it gives you.
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Neila Nuruodo posted:The people complaining about Kvothe as a character kinda crack me up, though. Obviously they have no experience with people who thought they were strong and then were broken by life. Live a little and come back to the books, my friends. You'll be surprised at the insight it gives you. The dude describes both sex and fighting with a list of interchangeable tekken moves, and has his mary sue learn both from mysterious magical sex ninjas/godesses (who he totally bangs). If you think the books are a little too grown up for people maybe you don't have much right to be patronising on the internet. Dienes posted:
Plus a brief interjection about how dolls, like lyres, were made to be touched
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The more interesting question to me is why a bunch of people who hate the books, who keep parroting how stupifyingly obvious it is that they are awful, somehow find it rewarding to post repeatedly in the thread dedicated to these books about said loathing. It's pretty much every other post in the thread at this point. Don't you have better things to talk about, for example in other threads dedicated to things you enjoy? It's just weird.
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What's the desired outcome, I wonder? A hope that some new reader, excited about finishing Name of the Wind, opens the thread, and upon seeing "horsefucker420's" thousand word diatribe about how Kvothe sucks, starts crying and reevaluating her taste in literature?
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Jul 19, 2015 23:15
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Well, it worked with me. I read book 1 and thought it was great. Then I read various comments as well as this thread (back when it started) and on the reread before the 2nd book my impressions were quite different. The 2nd book only solidified my feelings toward the series.
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Velius posted:The more interesting question to me is why a bunch of people who hate the books, who keep parroting how stupifyingly obvious it is that they are awful, somehow find it rewarding to post repeatedly in the thread dedicated to these books about said loathing. It's pretty much every other post in the thread at this point. Don't you have better things to talk about, for example in other threads dedicated to things you enjoy? It's just weird. The people who hate everything about the books tend to make one post and move on. Everyone else likes or liked something about them that draws them to this series. People new to the thread read criticisms of the books and then post to defend it, drawing the people who are mildly interested in the series to bring up the old arguments. And the cycle continues. For what its worth I think people who read the first book back in the day expected more out of the second book. It seemed like the series was smarter than maybe its turning out to be. We won't really know how this all turns out till book 3, but the books as they are have some serious flaws. I'm still interested enough to anticipate the final book. The Slow Regard of Silent Things was legitimately terrible though.
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Velius posted:What's the desired outcome, I wonder? A hope that some new reader, excited about finishing Name of the Wind, opens the thread, and upon seeing "horsefucker420's" thousand word diatribe about how Kvothe sucks, starts crying and reevaluating her taste in literature? I'd say it's impressive that you've managed to not draw a single point of discussion from 78+ pages of posting and dismiss hundreds of opinions with a single passive aggressive post, but that's probably the level of reading comprehension required to read 200k+ words of this trilogy and not understand any criticism.
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Benson Cunningham posted:horsefucker420 careful, if someone posts it again u summon him into the thread like beetlejuice...
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Velius posted:The more interesting question to me is why a bunch of people who hate the books, who keep parroting how stupifyingly obvious it is that they are awful, somehow find it rewarding to post repeatedly in the thread dedicated to these books about said loathing. It's pretty much every other post in the thread at this point. Don't you have better things to talk about, for example in other threads dedicated to things you enjoy? It's just weird. Go look at the ASOIAF thread(s). the series seemed like it had promise, then turned in to Harry Potter and the Crushing Student Debt, then it wandered off to sex ninjas and such while glossing over actual interesting things while the author mentions it's totally intentional to spend hundreds of pages talking about how poor Kvothe is and struggling to make ends meet to go to school and... what? Pirate attack at sea? Eh we'll just mention that offhand like it's no big deal so we can get back to the important stuff; talking about needing a sponsor and pining over a girl because Kvothe is somehow a well-traveled person with the people skills of a goony shut-in.
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Neila Nuruodo posted:No worries, I never look to hate a book. I do, however, take other people's impressions into account since I do some writing and am always looking to improve my own style. When writing, it helps me a lot to be aware of what I like but others don't (see complex sentence structure, etc.) so I don't overuse it and drive readers away. Here's one of the more detailed and sometimes amusing reviews of WMF that works to highlight its rampant shortcomings http://ferretbrain.com/articles/article-751. This is a less vitriolic explanation of why this is not a good book. My personal enjoyment of making GBS threads on bad writing comes probably comes from spending years writing detailed constructive criticism on first-year college essays for students who (on the whole) only ever looked at their grades. It's cathartic. Karnegal fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Karnegal posted:Here's one of the more detailed and sometimes amusing reviews of WMF that works to highlight its rampant shortcomings http://ferretbrain.com/articles/article-751. This is a less vitriolic explanation of why this is not a good book. That review (especially the poverty and sexcapades stuff) is so spot on it's unreal.
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Misses out a few things though. Like how all of Kvothe's enemies (Ambrose, Hem, Carceret...) are petulant bullies who take a dislike to him rather than being any meaningful plot-related opposition.
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Wangsbig posted:Maybe this whole feminism thing is a huge red herring to distract people from remembering that this dude made them read a 200 page segue about elf loving
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While I agree with most of that review's points, people who use "grok" in actual writing or God forbid speech should be shot on sight.
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Velius posted:What's the desired outcome, I wonder? A hope that some new reader, excited about finishing Name of the Wind, opens the thread, and upon seeing "horsefucker420's" thousand word diatribe about how Kvothe sucks, starts crying and reevaluating her taste in literature? That they realize his debut was highly overrated, and make their own educated decision on the matter of reading it or not through the back and forth discussions in this thread.
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esn2500 posted:That they realize his debut was highly overrated, and make their own educated decision on the matter of reading it or not through the back and forth discussions in this thread. Well, the debut wasn't exactly overrated, it just showed some promise. Too bad the second book was a pile of poo poo and squandered that promise.
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Andrast posted:Well, the debut wasn't exactly overrated, it just showed some promise. Too bad the second book was a pile of poo poo and squandered that promise. So any novel that is "promising" deserves a unanimous 4.5 stars on Amazon? I think overrated does apply, especially considering the effect hype had on its debut.
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esn2500 posted:So any novel that is "promising" deserves a unanimous 4.5 stars on Amazon? I think overrated does apply, especially considering the effect hype had on its debut. Would it make you feel better if I just said that the masses aren't as critical or well read as you and they just like a story that is interesting and keeps their interest? Cause as far as I'm concerned, this book is great for the general population and earns its 4.5 stars on Amazon.
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It's really great that he used "skraeling" for a demon race too.
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Rurutia posted:Would it make you feel better if I just said that the masses aren't as critical or well read as you and they just like a story that is interesting and keeps their interest? Cause as far as I'm concerned, this book is great for the general population and earns its 4.5 stars on Amazon. Not exactly because then all 4.5 starred novels are just "interesting" in that respect.
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esn2500 posted:Not exactly because then all 4.5 starred novels are just "interesting" in that respect. 4.5 starred novels say that for people interested in reading in that novel, they would rate it on average 4.5 stars. Books, their target audience, their role in our lives and society can't be reduced down to a number. That number is only there to inform us of one aspect. People who get this worked up about a book's rating on Amazon come off bat poo poo crazy.
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Rurutia posted:4.5 starred novels say that for people interested in reading in that novel, they would rate it on average 4.5 stars. Books, their target audience, their role in our lives and society can't be reduced down to a number. That number is only there to inform us of one aspect. No need to get confrontational about it. I've just been wondering exactly why people love it so much, but if its merely promising and interesting, sometimes it's enough to like it i guess. No complaints, just confusion.
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Boing posted:Misses out a few things though. Like how all of Kvothe's enemies (Ambrose, Hem, Carceret...) are petulant bullies who take a dislike to him rather than being any meaningful plot-related opposition. Well he says everyone he meets either irrationally loves him or hates him. Which sort of covers the bully bit.
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Patrick munched salaciously on a handful of chips. His orange dusted fingers transitioned from mouth to bag again and again. It was the cut-time cadence of a man resigned. You aren't going to do it today he thought to himself. What's the point? In the time the thought took, he had glanced twice towards the hand grenade icon in his bookmarks bar. Groaning, he put his head into his hands. At his feet, Oot played with aging toys on top a dirty blanket. The setting sun colored chip dust had fallen like snow on him, the toys, and the blanket- the floor was a fruit stand crime scene. On Pat's left monitor, Word was opened to a file entitled Book 3. The most recent save date had burned itself into his monitor, overlaying the current date with its judgmental 1/5/15 pattern. Sucking chip remnants from his finger tips, he typed and deleted "Denna" over and over at the start of a new paragraph. It can't hurt to check once, then I'll get some writing done. At the click of a button, the Something Awful forums flashed into view, center of the screen. Pat's profile, wh1t3tkn7ght, had never posted on the forums, but he had been a member ever since he found his self titled thread. In his user profile, it was the only saved discussion. A number indicating the number of new posts since his last visit caught his eyes. 27. He opened the thread with abandon. For a while, Patrick was silent. An observer would have been able to see his lips move without sound, wrapping themselves around the name horsefucker420 like a glove around a hand. One day, he would show all these neckbeards. These women hating, basement dwelling clown fuckers. They wouldn't know literature if he quoted Dickens for them while holding doors open for their moms. He leapt to his feet, sending Oot sprawling. Cries rose from the child but Patrick. Did. Not. Care. People were espousing the wrong opinions on the internet. He was going to loving do something about it. Patrick opened up reddit, and readied both the questions and answers for an Ask Me Anything. It was time to take a stand. Edit: Grammar. Benson Cunningham fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Benson Cunningham posted:Patrick munched salaciously on a handful of chips. His orange dusted fingers transitioned from mouth to bag again and again. It was the cut-time cadence of a man resigned. 
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Benson Cunningham posted:Patrick munched salaciously on a handful of chips. His orange dusted fingers transitioned from mouth to bag again and again. It was the cut-time cadence of a man resigned. Kaoom, son. Well done. I love a good style parody. Though I admit I did think he was going to take "one perfect stand." at the end
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Benson Cunningham posted:Patrick munched salaciously on a handful of chips. His orange dusted fingers transitioned from mouth to bag again and again. It was the cut-time cadence of a man resigned. I hate to give you excess praise, but this is killing me.
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quote:Then they have sex some more, then he comes back to the real world and is all “bros, I totally did it with Felurian” and everybody is all like “no way, you'd be mad or dead” and he's like “no I totally did it with Felurian” and then the hot barmaid from earlier is all like “no he's definitely telling the truth because I am a woman and I can see that he has got totally sexed up since we last met, because I tried to sex him and it freaked him out, but now it looks like he wouldn't be freaked out and also he would be totally awesome at sexing.” Then Kvothe does sex with the hot barmaid and he is totally awesome at it, and he explains how doing sex with the hot barmaid is totally as good as doing sex with Felurian, because women are like music and sometimes you want to listen to a beautiful symphony and sometimes you just want a nice simple jig, and by the way this definitely isn't sexist, and if you think it is then you know nothing about music or love or him. Yeah, I don't get Rothfuss's crazy insistence that he's some sort of feminist.
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pentyne posted:Yeah, I don't get Rothfuss's crazy insistence that he's some sort of feminist. It's so he can write flat uninteresting female characters and not be called out on it.
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Solice Kirsk posted:It's so he can write flat uninteresting female characters and not be called out on it.
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Mars4523 posted:The thing is, one or two female characters like this isn't automatically bad. But when the female characters are uniformly Sexy Hot Women Who Want To Have Sex With The (underaged, at the time) Hero, or the Sexy Hot Woman Who Will Not Have Sex With The Hero then there's a huge problem. And, of course, there's the virgin outsexing the super sexy sex godess factor. For a guy who probably never had sex with a woman half his weight, can you blame him? He clearly has some interesting fantasies
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Karnegal posted:Here's one of the more detailed and sometimes amusing reviews of WMF that works to highlight its rampant shortcomings http://ferretbrain.com/articles/article-751. This is a less vitriolic explanation of why this is not a good book. Thanks for the link, I'll definitely check it out when I get back from visiting family. (Or during, if past experience is any indicator.) I'm more than happy to revise my opinion of a book based on a logical, cool-headed dissection of it. I'm just not interested in hating some character because someone else on the internet does. Boing posted:Misses out a few things though. Like how all of Kvothe's enemies (Ambrose, Hem, Carceret...) are petulant bullies who take a dislike to him rather than being any meaningful plot-related opposition. Gee, that almost sounds a bit like...life? People being jerks for no reason or because mommy didn't love them enough? Nah, must be a coincidence. Seriously, though, the main argument I'm seeing here is that the book isn't focused enough on the action/plot. You seem to be missing the point that this entire trilogy is based around a person and his story. It's literally a dude being interviewed and telling his life's story. We'd like to think that our lives are these cool action montages, but in reality it's mostly boring day-to-day poo poo like student loans and magical goddesses. esn2500 posted:For a guy who probably never had sex with a woman half his weight, can you blame him? He clearly has some interesting fantasies Don't we all, my friend. Don't we all.
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Neila Nuruodo posted:Seriously, though, the main argument I'm seeing here is that the book isn't focused enough on the action/plot. You seem to be missing the point that this entire trilogy is based around a person and his story. It's literally a dude being interviewed and telling his life's story. We'd like to think that our lives are these cool action montages, but in reality it's mostly boring day-to-day poo poo like student loans and magical goddesses. Except for the part where Rothfuss intentionally skips a cool action montage to dive right back in to student loans.
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Neila Nuruodo posted:Seriously, though, the main argument I'm seeing here is that the book isn't focused enough on the action/plot. You seem to be missing the point that this entire trilogy is based around a person and his story. It's literally a dude being interviewed and telling his life's story. We'd like to think that our lives are these cool action montages, but in reality it's mostly boring day-to-day poo poo like student loans and magical goddesses. "It's supposed to be boring" isn't a very good defense.
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I think the "it's realistic" defense stops working when an immortal sex goddess's mind is blown by the main character's virgin sexual prowess. (I say this as someone who actually liked the series up until about halfway through WMF.)
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I really like WMF except for the last half of the book. And sort of the first quarter. Vintas was really interesting and I enjoyed the hunt for the bandits. Then he got sex romped for like 500 pages and it fell completely apart and the 3 interesting paragraphs in the entire ordeal are about a future seeing malevolent tree. It could have summed up in like 2 chapters with a time skip. Same with the Adem, the only neat thing with the sex ninjas is the naming process when we find out he has some really bad meaning real name and names his sword something more to what its true name is. The third book is hopefully gonna start with a bang and just keep sprinting to the finish. He needs to rescue princesses, and fight burrow kings, and kill a king. I wouldn't have any problem reading 1000 pages of book as long as its somewhat interesting, but my eyes would glaze over during the Adem and Felurian(sp?) sections. SO let's talk about what king he's gonna kill. Most people are thinking its gonna be Ambrose somehow, but I like the idea that it could be Sim. Sim is minor royalty, does poetry, and would be a way better twist than generic bad guy douche.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I really like WMF except for the last half of the book. And sort of the first quarter. Vintas was really interesting and I enjoyed the hunt for the bandits. Then he got sex romped for like 500 pages and it fell completely apart and the 3 interesting paragraphs in the entire ordeal are about a future seeing malevolent tree. It could have summed up in like 2 chapters with a time skip. Same with the Adem, the only neat thing with the sex ninjas is the naming process when we find out he has some really bad meaning real name and names his sword something more to what its true name is. Could you go into the sex ninjas more? Heard this a few times from other goons. Did they use sex as a weapon or something, or were they just a buncha nympho assassins lol
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esn2500 posted:Could you go into the sex ninjas more? Heard this a few times from other goons. Did they use sex as a weapon or something, or were they just a buncha nympho assassins lol quote:She sighed. “Kvothe, you need to remember. You come from a barbarous place. Much of what you grew up thinking is quite wrongheaded and foolish. None of it as much as the strange customs you barbarians have built around your sexplay.”
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