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Captain Bravo posted:A JRPG where the world religion isn't the root of all evil? Blasphemy! Isn't the whole religion being the root of all evil thing only really relevant from FFX-onwards? FF2, FF6 and FF7 made some allusions to it (like the Cult of Kefka) but they never had the stranglehold on the game's society like Yevon or the Occuria or the Fal'cie.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Isn't the whole religion being the root of all evil thing only really relevant from FFX-onwards? FF2, FF6 and FF7 made some allusions to it (like the Cult of Kefka) but they never had the stranglehold on the game's society like Yevon or the Occuria or the Fal'cie. FFT dabbled in it though that was more 'Medieval' (political power) than 'evil' (world-shattering kabooms.) But then there's countless other jrpgs where that is the case that it's sort of crept in to the genre. 'If this authority figure in a religious institution is being exceptionally helpful it's entirely likely they know you are/have the plot coupons and are using you as a pawn in their world domination/oblivion/ascension goals.'
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Jul 20, 2015 06:28
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there aren't actually that many JRPGs where religion is the bad guy, but FFX and ToS were huge games that came out about the same time and it got stuck in people's craw.
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Jul 20, 2015 06:33
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Endorph posted:there aren't actually that many JRPGs where religion is the bad guy, but FFX and ToS were huge games that came out about the same time and it got stuck in people's craw. Abyss is like, 50-50 on that
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Jul 20, 2015 06:36
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Fister Roboto posted:I name her Kris. Yeah, that's pretty good. Also: AweStriker posted:Not to mention Stiltzkin is in it, too. Vivi met him earlier this LP, here's his appearance in Crystal Chronicles: Oh my god he's so fluffy. Somehow moogles manage to look cute in a lot of different art styles.
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Jul 20, 2015 06:52
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TheKingofSprings posted:Abyss is like, 50-50 on that Don't forget the EVIL NO REALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHOCKING YOU GUYS THE CHURCH IS EVIL religion of Grandia 2.
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Jul 20, 2015 07:29
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cbservo posted:Don't forget the EVIL NO REALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHOCKING YOU GUYS THE CHURCH IS EVIL religion of Grandia 2. poo poo, it wasn't even the whole church, either, just the head of it and the Elites. The tiny village branches were full of nice people and clergy. (I'm still trying to bring myself to play that game a second time, interesting battle system and Millenia or no.  )
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Jul 20, 2015 08:04
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As long as the church keeps itself in the background or only acts as a gameplay mechanic (like in Dragon Quest) everything's fine. The moment the church asks you to fulfill a plot-related mission? Oh boy.
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Jul 20, 2015 08:47
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Fister Roboto posted:There's definitely some kind of religion in the background of FF9, but it never becomes relevant to the plot. It's just flavor. I played through this game a couple of months ago, and had no loving clue there was even a religion in this game. I'm now wondering what other intricacies I missed in this game.
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Jul 20, 2015 08:49
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Leavemywife posted:I played through this game a couple of months ago, and had no loving clue there was even a religion in this game. There's a plot event almost everyone forgets where there's a religion involved. I don't even remember a god being mentioned, though.
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Jul 20, 2015 09:16
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bewilderment posted:There's a plot event almost everyone forgets where there's a religion involved. I don't even remember a god being mentioned, though. I remember that event (assuming it's the one with the kirkboat) and that's a bit different. The mention of the Sabbath here would mean that FFIX is one of the rare games that features multiple religions even if it's a one-off background mention. It's also entirely possible that 'day of the Sabbath' is just fancy-game-words talk for 'Sunday.' Which makes FFIX a rare game where they used fancy language appropriately.
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Jul 20, 2015 09:28
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Leavemywife posted:I played through this game a couple of months ago, and had no loving clue there was even a religion in this game. It's explored very briefly in Esto Gaza.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:41
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Also, Vivi uses an old church to gain access to Alexandria's roofs earlier on.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:46
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EponymousMrYar posted:FFT dabbled in it though that was more 'Medieval' (political power) than 'evil' (world-shattering kabooms.) Someone has forgotten about Saint Ajora.  But yeah in regards to IX, religion exists but it doesn't play any role in it, just kind of background thing.
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Jul 20, 2015 11:19
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Gamma Nerd posted:There's some bats with huge ears though Is seriously no one going to comment on how loving terrifying this thing is?!
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Jul 20, 2015 13:26
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placid saviour posted:Is seriously no one going to comment on how loving adorable this thing is?!
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Jul 20, 2015 13:28
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placid saviour posted:Is seriously no one going to comment on how loving terrifying this thing is?! It -just- wants to give you a hug! With it's whole body of course!
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Jul 20, 2015 13:52
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That bat looks happier than anyone has ever been in their life. I wanna pet it (and then die of some horrible disease it's carrying)
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Jul 20, 2015 13:58
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placid saviour posted:Is seriously no one going to comment on how loving terrifying this thing is?! I could comment on how cute it is. It's cute.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:40
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Oh no, I didn't explain myself properly! All Moogles are great to me, it's just the IX ones are my favourites. also bats are cute
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Jul 20, 2015 14:51
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I'm surprised we managed to get through a discussion of evil religions in JRPGs without mentioning the Breath of Fire games.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:14
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Gihyou posted:Yeah, Garnet renaming herself is one of my favorite naming characters scenes. She does this whole bit with the dagger, and then says she's going to change her name to...I don't know, Lisa. Or DONGS. If it's anything but Dagger, she just went on about daggers for basically no reason. Or, yeah, you can make her remain Garnet and make everyone look like morons. It's awfully hard to top Roger Bacon in Shadow Hearts: Covenant, but yes. I like to imagine that if you keep her as Garnet (as is right and proper because "Dagger" is something a twelve year old would name an assassin in a D&D game) she puts on a pair of Groucho glasses and everyone else scrambles to clarify "but not Princess Garnet" every time they use her name. W.T. Fits posted:I'm surprised we managed to get through a discussion of evil religions in JRPGs without mentioning the Breath of Fire games. Or Vagrant Story. Or SMT, where the higher powers of law tend to be if not precisely evil then at best benevolently totalitarian and at worst zealously antagonistic towards humanity. Or speaking of Shadow Hearts...
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Jul 20, 2015 16:30
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I like to imagine if you rename her Garnet she just pronounces it with a different accent or emphasis, like instead of Gar-nuht she goes Gar-neh or something.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:47
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bewilderment posted:There's a plot event almost everyone forgets where there's a religion involved. I don't even remember a god being mentioned, though. It's not common but Mega64 posted:
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Jul 20, 2015 16:59
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I only realized this time that it makes sense he'd like a gross tasting potion because of his fondness for a gross tasting kind of pickle later on.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:08
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I think the "God help me" line is just a localization blip. There will also be a frequently not visited church in a future town, also another town kind of revolves around their belief, and one of the last towns in the game has the ruins of a temple. It honestly looks like each major civilization has their own completely different religions.
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:I only realized this time that it makes sense he'd like a gross tasting potion because of his fondness for a gross smelling kind of pickle later on.
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 WIND NOISES   Vivi, the inn is this way! Aw, do we have to? I know. But let's get some rest first. We also need to decide what to do next.    This is Dali, our first town. Not counting inside the buildings, it's literally this screen and a tiny-rear end farm. Pretty small even as far as podunk villages go in this series.    ...... Hey, I know she's cute, but it's rude of you to stare. Make yourselves at home.  Where will I be staying? In the same room. Where else? But, Zidane... I mustn't... I understand how you feel, but these country inns don't have private rooms. -----   If the theater ship hadn't crashed... It would've arrived at the neighboring regency of Lindblum. I see. If you hadn't been caught, you would've reached Lindblum by now. But now... We'll have to cross South Gate on foot. Zidane, please listen. There is a reason I must leave this kingdom. I cannot tell you why... But...please... I understand... I'll get you to Lindblum somehow.   He may expose you to even more danger, like he did in Evil Forest! I beg of you, Princess. Please return with me to the castle. I know I screwed up in Evil Forest. Don't be ridiculous! It is I who protect the princess, now and forever! Then tell me. How do you intend to take her back to the castle?   He was tired. But you had to go on a tirade. What!?  ----- FAINT SINGING   -----    Oh, everyone's up already. I wonder where they went? We've got a lot of ATE's in this section, so let's jump right in.     Hey, you're...! (Are they...avoiding me?) We can only access one ATE per screen. We also have access to an ATE with Dagger, but first we must leave our current screen.   There's some interesting stuff in this room, though. A couple consumables, and...   10 Gil, huh?I've got close to 20k already.    Have I heard of this store before...? Let's check in on Dagger next.  I wonder if the castle is okay? That was quite a ruckus... I wonder how many people got hurt? I hope the damage wasn't too severe. Some people could've died... Like in Evil Forest... (Kiddo?)  Kids these days! Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm killing the bugs on the crops. You're...killing the bugs? Yeah, that's what I'm doing! Bugs are just like monsters! They destroy our crops if you leave them be! (Crops?) You're a strange one. Most girls hate oglops. Is that so? It's just that I haven't seen too many of them... (Maybe I should act like I don't like oglops.) Back to Zidane.  We have a letter to deliver to Gumo. Time to do our job!  A letter from Mois? Hmm... I don't like Mois, but I'll read it anyway. Kupo. He always sounds so gruff. But I'm glad to hear Stiltzkin is traveling. I can't wait to hear from him! Kupo!I love the moogles in this game.  There's quite a few of these menus in this village that do nothing but give flavor text. Always fun.  After leaving the inn, we get another ATE.  I don't wanna give in to my brother, but everyone else's makin' money 'cept me... Hey, wasn't that customer traveling with...? Yeah, we can even check in on random NPCs. Back to Zidane.  Why would they need something like this on a farm?There's a bit of gil to pick up near here as well.   We can also spy on our room if we really want to.  Let's start exploring these buildings, shall we?  I'm busy. Please leave.No luck there.   This is our first equipment store! Lots of stuff we can load up with here.  Well, there would be if we didn't already steal most of the good stuff. If you're regularly stealing, the only new item is the Feather Hat.  The Feather Hat is pretty nice since it adds Bright Eyes (Darkness immunity) and Add Status.  Some weapons, such as the Mage Masher, can inflict status effects. The catch is the wielder needs to have Add Status equipped to do so, and even then it doesn't proc often. The chance depends on the weapon; for instance the Mage Masher with Add Status has a 20% chance of inflicting Silence. It's more a nice bonus than something to rely on, and it's kinda moot anyway since Zidane's current weapon doesn't have a status associated to it. Add Status is coincidentally the first passive ability that Vivi can learn, though why you'd waste time with his regular attacks I do not know.   Speaking of Vivi, let's chat with him.  N-Nothing, I was just thinking. You met a girl! No, no! Nothing like that! What? Don't tell me you don't like girls! I never really thought about stuff like...that. I'm always thinking about girls. I'm popular with ALL the ladies in Lindblum. Come to me if you have any girl trouble, okay? S-Sure. Thanks. I'm gonna look for Dagger and Rusty. Would you mind heading back to the inn? Sure, I'll head back. Nothing. But I keep hearing a sound like "kweh." That's the sound chocobos make...  Okay! KWEH!    Forget Steiner. I wonder where Dagger is.Two more ATE's have opened up. First...   Oh, the look on his face! He sent someone to pick it up right away! All I need to do now is keep quiet until the guests leave... Gotta pretend I'm asleep!  KWEH!   I wonder if it can run and stuff?Let's go somewhere and trigger the next ATE.    Um, yes, can we talk for a bit? Talk? It's a store. So it'd make sense you're looking to buy things.   Can't you see I'm working? Um, please... I mean, don't mind me. Thanks, lady! And we cut out from there.   We can get Potions and stuff here. Nothing new, but I buy a few Antidotes just in case. After shopping...   Nope. We can shop again and Zidane will ask something new. Can I ask you something? What are those strange patterns just outside the village? I'm sorry... I'm really busy right now. Do you want me to help? Is that some sort of a trend? Trend? What are you talking about? There's already a man helping me.  These menus are irrelevant, but again, world-building and all that.   And that's the entire town. Might as well catch up with Dagger now.  (What's she looking at?) You got a fever or something? Your face is all red. I-It's nothing. I'm fine. You're acting strange... What? I get it!!! Zidane's always the encouraging type, so of course he'd go the more supportive route. Thanks!  Again, comparing her to an actual actress like Ruby is the more flattering remark, and we know how Zidane goes around women. I'm a big fan of Lord Avon's plays. I have-I mean, I've seen all of them. "I Want to Be Your Canary" is one of my favorites! Oh yeah? Uh, yeah. Should I talk more like her? What? No, no. So you should just be yourself, Dagger. I understa...  We need to decide what to do from here. Will you go back to the inn? What about you? I'll head back soon. Alrighty. I'll catch you later.   I forgot to check something earlier.    Yeah I'm not touching those drat cards.  Also I buy all the Wrists for reasons.  I'll just let Steiner be and go back to the inn. Before we do, Zidane can be a creep and watch Dagger.  I appreciate... No, I should say "thanks."She's getting the hang of things, at least.  There's nothing else to do now but wait for Vivi.  I asked Vivi to head back. He should be back soon. Yes. The kids are very energetic, and there are so many things to see. I've never walked around so freely before in my life! But... Yeah... I used to see them tending the farm next to the village. But that farm is tiny. Yeah. There's something strange going on... We'll leave once Vivi gets back. But... What about Steiner? I have a good plan for crossing South Gate. It's gonna be easy! They're not looking for the rest of us, so we'll just hide you! Mandatory ATE time!     It's my job to clean the bar. Why are you doing all this? S-Sorry. My father won't be back until nightfall. All the other men are also working. They don't come here during the day.   I need to know about what transportation method people use in this village. I cannot tell you the reason, but there is someone I must escort to the castle. Are you from Alexandria Castle? Indeed! I command the queen's Knights of Pluto! I am Adelbert Steiner, Captain of the Knights of Pluto! Knights of Pluto...? Oh. Please go to the observatory on top of a mountain on the outskirts of the village. An old man named Morrid lives there. He takes care of the cargo ship. Cargo ship!? So, that piece of junk flies to this village!  Yes? Nay, it is I who should thank you for your assistance.  Next time, maybe someone will notice that Vivi got kidnapped at some point. You remember that happening, right? Do you still remember Doctor Tot at least? Mega64 fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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In a game full of astoundingly good music this is actually my favourite track. It's got everything - the pleasant pacing, the layered yet ultimately simple melody, the gradually building harmony - and even with all that it manages this sort of humble charm that fits right in with where it plays. And this isn't some generic town theme either - this is the theme of Dali and nowhere else. I love this game.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:00
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Tot? I'm afraid sno, er not. drat lack of auto correct.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:03
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All this time playing the game and I never knew you could peek into your room at Dali.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:07
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I actually really like Doctor Tot's character.
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ApplesandOranges posted:All this time playing the game and I never knew you could peek into your room at Dali. I never knew about the airship wheel line either. There's a WHOLE lot of detail in this game.
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Someone made a nice little 3D render of Dali. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0VWLQsBV4g Fedule posted:In a game full of astoundingly good music this is actually my favourite track. It's got everything - the pleasant pacing, the layered yet ultimately simple melody, the gradually building harmony - and even with all that it manages this sort of humble charm that fits right in with where it plays. And this isn't some generic town theme either - this is the theme of Dali and nowhere else. It really is an amazing track 
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Jul 21, 2015 01:15
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Final Fantasy IX is my favorite Final Fantasy, favorite RPG, and all-around favorite video game. I replay it once every couple years and it's always nice to see someone else doing likewise. I, too, remember Doctor Schnoz.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:16
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This whole beginning part is really charming in several ways. It's a nice read, and yet we see just enough to know that something is very wrong. It's great.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:43
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I really appreciate you showing off all of this game's little nooks and crannies, because holy poo poo this game has a lot of little nooks and crannies.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:44
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It's really easy to write Dali off as a standard "first town in an RPG" type small town, but if you remember Alexandria and see how big it looks and how alive it is (and other future cities), you realize that it's supposed to be this small. This barely qualifies as a village.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:It's really easy to write Dali off as a standard "first town in an RPG" type small town, but if you remember Alexandria and see how big it looks and how alive it is (and other future cities), you realize that it's supposed to be this small. This barely qualifies as a village. To quote Pratchett: "The village was too small to show up on a map of the village."
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I think the item shop girl's post about card game mechanics actually gets updated at a couple points in the game, to slowly reveal how the game actually works. Or maybe I just dreamed that.
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