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richardfun posted:How did that end up going? Better than expected. He had like five people clap for him when he asked the question (you can probably find it in the video of perry's thing). Then when Perry answered one man one woman, but avoided the kids actual question the crowd went wild. The guy deflated but mustered up the courage to try and call him out on avoiding the question. Luntz shot him down mid rebuttal. I found it amusing that Perry received the two hardest audience questions.
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I don't have twitter but it would be great if someone tweet Donald Trump Bush's congratulatory letter to the Swift Boat people. You know Donald is vain enough to read every tweeter himself, and and every time he opens his mouth, everyone listens. Bush's hypocrisy needs to be exposed.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I wouldn't sweat it too much. making GBS threads all over grunts for the horrors created by ideology and economics is intellectually lazy and nobody cares what dumb babies who do that have to say. Yes, the naval aviator who is a commissioned officer and the son of an admiral is certainly a grunt who didn't know what he was signing up for or have any other options. I'm sure he would be out on the streets if not for the refuge of military service.
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Mr Hootington posted:I was down in row 21 of the lower level and the folks around there were very mixed. Actually heard a vet two rows down say he wanted to show trump what a hero could do. Not my first foray into evangelical land. My first time going INSIDE to that particular event. I'm the guy in the video posted, I talk to the press for the Iowa Atheist group, so we're always out there doing stuff like this. We had the national director for American Atheists in there too, which was really helpful for getting more access than we otherwise would have had. People there are just so hateful and its scary. I mean, I get it being a convention for a cause and can respect that, but it was downright hateful in their treatment of the "other". I left after Carson though, so I don't know how it went at that point onward.
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Mr Hootington posted:Better than expected. He had like five people clap for him when he asked the question (you can probably find it in the video of perry's thing). Then when Perry answered one man one woman, but avoided the kids actual question the crowd went wild. The guy deflated but mustered up the courage to try and call him out on avoiding the question. Luntz shot him down mid rebuttal. What was the question?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Yes, the naval aviator who is a commissioned officer and the son of an admiral is certainly a grunt who didn't know what he was signing up for or have any other options. I'm sure he would be out on the streets if not for the refuge of military service. The answer to your question is that we are not, but I think you might have a few too many.
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Jastiger posted:Not my first foray into evangelical land. My first time going INSIDE to that particular event. I'm the guy in the video posted, I talk to the press for the Iowa Atheist group, so we're always out there doing stuff like this. We had the national director for American Atheists in there too, which was really helpful for getting more access than we otherwise would have had. I'll check out the video later. Phone posting at work. There is a thread in d&d talking about evangelicalism right now and prestor john's stuff is great too if you find that thread. You can simplify it down to hate (fear too), but it is a lot more complicated than that. You missed out on some good stuff after him. He was the last one in the first session wasn't he? It just got worse.
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richardfun posted:What was the question? 16:27 is the beginning of the guy asking the question. Couldn't find full tanscript. http://www.c-span.org/video/?327045-9/former-governor-rick-perry-family-leadership-summit
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Mr Hootington posted:I'll check out the video later. Phone posting at work. Yeah he was the last of the first session. And yeah I saw the next speakers and had to assume it simply got worse. I know this is kind of an aside, but I remember someone discrediting the Whats the Matter with Kansas thing as not being about evangelism as the author pointed out, but it was actually racism and hate that was the factor, not religiosity. These guys love "socialist" policy-so long as it applies to white Christians. If someone other than their perceived group gets it, they revert to "founding fathers" and other heuristics to deal with incompatible ideas between their faith, politics, and identity. I feel like we saw this here. They love families, just not YOUR family. Also the anti planned parent hood protesters were embarrassing. They got into an argument with a Biblical scholar from Iowa State on how the Bible justified violence against groups like Planned Parenthood and used that silly video to back their claims of "organ harvesting". It would have been hilarious if it wasn't so sad. The scholar "didn't understand or read" the Bible and "hated all Christians" so thats why he didn't agree with them.
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I don't think attacking McCain is that big of a liability, remember a lot of conservatives blame McCain for losing the election and not going after Obama hard enough. I mean sure it never looks good to attack a vet but McCain is far from beloved by the rapid party base right now.
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C'mon Trump, hold it together for just a few more weeks...
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Yes, the naval aviator who is a commissioned officer and the son of an admiral is certainly a grunt who didn't know what he was signing up for or have any other options. I'm sure he would be out on the streets if not for the refuge of military service. So they're doing it for the paycheck except when they aren't. I'm not sure how much more of these "revelations" my war machine indoctrinated mind can handle.
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John McCain had political ambitions and was willing to sacrifice being able to catch a pop fly in baseball for them*. *what some posters actually believe.
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Jastiger posted:Yeah he was the last of the first session. And yeah I saw the next speakers and had to assume it simply got worse. Gary Bauer is a special man full of hate. He was a treat. I would love to type out a bunch of stuff that is just anecdotal and conjecture, but this isn't the thread for that. I'll just say from my experiences that I can both agree and disagree. Yeah I love those radical Christians. I asked Santorum about them at a town hall and he brushed it off because their wasn't a ton of them.
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Axolotl posted:I have a lower opinion of evangelicals and the sincerity with which they hold their beliefs than you do. In the US politics drives religion, not the other way around.
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Ha you're going to vote Hillary because you're a woman? Bitch please! As a hairspray can, who has endured some serious social injustice, I'm voting for Donald Trump! With his glorious locks no hairspray can will ever be out of a job again!
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Not to mention that by all accounts, McCain's most impressive and noble service was while captured: resisting attempts to use him in propaganda, tapping code through the walls which helped others in solitary not lose their minds/hope, refusing early release to avoid being used as propaganda and stating that he wouldn't accept release until those captured before him and enlisted prisoners were released, enduring torture to the point of attempting suicide rather than accepting special release, and more. He may not have been a gifted pilot, but he served with great distinction as a POW receiving criminals poor treatment, and not just for his own benefit. FWIW regarding morality of bombing Vietnam, McCain himself said that anyone in the military or thinking of joining has an obligation to pay attention to the government's behavior and decide if they could morally support it, so that those who oppose it could quit the military before the chips were down. POWs, even if they have moral problems with the behavior of the nation, have a duty not to take part in enemy propaganda efforts for a variety of good reasons.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:23
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Monmouth found no change in favorability for Trump among Iowa Republicans over the weekend. He retains a 47/35 favorability split. Walker still leads Iowa with 22% to Trump's 13% and the rest of the field polling in single digits.
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twitter sass fight  I like how twitter is a platform for petty schoolchildren fights to see who can deliver the sickest burn without any professional courtesy towards focusing on real, actual problems. It's very reality tv show-esque. Betty Bowers did it better. gently caress McCaskill, she's one to talk after breaking down to tears for pissing off the monarch that is Hillary by trying to save her own daughter from that horndog, Bill.
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Man I can't wait for President Paul. That guy is basically my Obama, except he probably won't suck complete poo poo as a president and leader like Obama has
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I wouldn't sweat it too much. making GBS threads all over grunts for the horrors created by ideology and economics is intellectually lazy and nobody cares what dumb babies who do that have to say.
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oswald ownenstein posted:Man I can't wait for President Paul. That guy is basically my Obama, except he probably won't suck complete poo poo as a president and leader like Obama has President P-p-p-Paul? Ron Paul isn't runni-- OH Rand Paul. Oh yeah. Him.
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oswald ownenstein posted:Man I can't wait for President Paul. That guy is basically my Obama, except he probably won't suck complete poo poo as a president and leader like Obama has I was going to make some flippant remark, but now I'm genuinely curious: why do you feel that Rand Paul would be an effective leader? Do you think he could accomplish some specific policy objectives? Could he build an effective governing coalition capable of passing substantial legislation? If he can't get a majority of Congress to work with him, what sort of things can he do administratively that you would like to see done?
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Daniel Bryan posted:President P-p-p-Paul? Ron Paul isn't runni-- OH Rand Paul. Oh yeah. Him. Hahaha, oh wow, I don't think he's been able to break into the news cycle since Trump's announcement, has he? Even Perry has managed to score a few mentions! What the gently caress, Rand?
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I'd take Rand over any other Republican candidate for sure, and I think he still has a decent shot at the nom. It's probably a good idea to not be involved in the news cycle at this particular moment.
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^ He's also the only Republican with a chance at winning the general. Old guard GOP just doesn't get that the bible-thumping thing isn't going to win elections anymore. Need broader appeal.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:How much bigger was McCain's paycheck because he refused early release for propaganda purposes? Probably quite a bit, actually. Those POWs who came home via Operation Homecoming in 1973 got all their back pay, as well as bumps from automatic promotions a lot of them got (I don't know about McCain personally), as well as any number of other ostentatiously-awarded bennies like free cars, lifetime passes to major league baseball, and the like; this was done intentionally as the Nixon administration was trying its damned to make the return of the POWs (an issue Nixon was personally knee-deep in as it kept the POW/MIA constituency from falling into the hands of the anti-war movement) a "victory" moment for a war that frankly didn't have any others.
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And as a reminder, McCain wasn't the only pilot on Forrestal with multiple plane crashes under their belt. So even the "he was the worst pilot covered up by daddy" doesn't even hold water.
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Rand talks a non-establishment game, but his actions (i.e. his voting record) are very much still standard GOP pablum. That he talks the talk may well help him get the nom, but I don't believe for a second that his Presidency would be any more different than the other candidates.
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oswald ownenstein posted:^ He has a funny way of getting away from bible-thumpers: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-pitch-christian-conservatives/
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oswald ownenstein posted:^ Oh please, Jeb "all of the money" Bush or the Scott Walker, the Kochmunster, could easily win. God, typing that sentence caused me physical pain.
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