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Is there an easy way I could start an Ottoman game and become a republic?
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Jul 20, 2015 09:50
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Tahirovic posted:Is there an easy way I could start an Ottoman game and become a republic? No, you either let revolutionaries break your country or E: ottoman tech can do it without westernizing Pyromancer fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 09:56
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Is there a reliable way to get revolutionaries? I can never seem to get them when I want them. And I ALWAYS want them, because a Republic is better than a Kingdom any day.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:11
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Another Person posted:Is there a reliable way to get revolutionaries? I can never seem to get them when I want them. And I ALWAYS want them, because a Republic is better than a Kingdom any day. Religious events has spawns some pretty frequently. There's a few ultra-rare events that also make you a republic.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:13
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Larry Parrish posted:Religious events has spawns some pretty frequently. There's a few ultra-rare events that also make you a republic. another feather in the hat for religious, the second best idea group
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Jul 20, 2015 10:20
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How do I change from one republic type (the one I imported as ) to another, if my country's super huge?
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Jul 20, 2015 10:59
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evilmiera posted:How do I change from one republic type (the one I imported as ) to another, if my country's super huge? You can tank your RT and then take Religious and let the eventual Revolutionary rebels win to get to regular republic from Merchant republic. Merchant is the best though by far so IDK why you'd bother.
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Jul 20, 2015 11:17
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Admin republic is pretty great if you expect to be conquering. That autonomy reduction is huge.
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Jul 20, 2015 11:54
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Another Person posted:Admin republic is pretty great if you expect to be conquering. That autonomy reduction is huge. It's what I wanted for my Ottoman game but guess it's too tricky to change to that. Maybe I'll just try an other nation to get an achievement on the way to the 1mil manpower one.
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Jul 20, 2015 12:06
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quote:This thread is why people think Keynesianism works. They don't understand hidden costs and opportunity costs. Those wacky paradox forums :laughtrack:
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Jul 20, 2015 12:36
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Node posted:What? You need more than Breda from Brabrant, Burgundy's junior PU partner. You need Utretch, Gelre, and Friesland too. I said it was the one province you needed from Burgundy, not the one province you needed. The rest are OPMs and you have France as an ally.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:21
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Another Person posted:Is there a reliable way to get revolutionaries? I can never seem to get them when I want them. And I ALWAYS want them, because a Republic is better than a Kingdom any day. Take out 50 loans and go under 0 stability and revolutionaries will start ticking up until you hit 3 stability. Go bankrupt and they'll really start coming. Remember that they only show up starting at 1750.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:12
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TTBF posted:Take out 50 loans and go under 0 stability and revolutionaries will start ticking up until you hit 3 stability. Go bankrupt and they'll really start coming. Remember that they only show up starting at 1750. I imagine he wants them before the game is over
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Jul 20, 2015 15:17
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I thought the last 20 years or so of my Bohemia game would be waiting for the clock to tick out and occasionally having someone try to pull me into a war with another Indonesian minor. Then the King of Italy dies and unless I contest France picks them up in a personal union. I really do not look forward to seiging down multiple level 8 forts 
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Jul 20, 2015 16:30
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Average Bear posted:I imagine he wants them before the game is over As far as I know that's the limitation on when they show up.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:22
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Well, nothing like a good coalition war against France and Scandinavia to cap off a play session. As long as I can hold onto my British possessions I'll have the achievement in the bag. Borders update:  Still hideous, now featuring ex-Polish France in eastern Europe.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:27
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Is westernization really necessary for a muslim? I could do it now, but the cost is very high, Im in doubt. What are the advantages exactly, besides cheaper techs?
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Jul 20, 2015 17:43
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It used to be that nonwestern units were all poo poo in the mid and late game but they rebalanced them a while back so tech groups have roughly similar pips. Anatolians don't need to westernize. I don't know about Muslims.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:15
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Elias_Maluco posted:Is westernization really necessary for a muslim? I could do it now, but the cost is very high, Im in doubt. Cheaper techs are all there is.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:16
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Luigi Thirty posted:It used to be that nonwestern units were all poo poo in the mid and late game but they rebalanced them a while back so tech groups have roughly similar pips. Anatolians don't need to westernize. I don't know about Muslims.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:25
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Luigi Thirty posted:It used to be that nonwestern units were all poo poo in the mid and late game but they rebalanced them a while back so tech groups have roughly similar pips. Anatolians don't need to westernize. I don't know about Muslims. Westernizing is basically free for Anatolians(And Eastern) now if you they take Danzig, Prague or Wien
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Jul 20, 2015 18:36
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I finally wrapped up my Tabarestan This is Persia game last night. It was pretty easy going once I actually formed Persia and managed to ally with an equally huge Lithuania, but holy crap did I underestimate how much time it takes to actually take all of the Otto's land from them. It took like 4.5 full wars to finally grab all of Greece, Anatolia, and Egypt. It would've taken a full 5 but Lithuania managed to get into a war with Austria in the middle of one of my truces with the Ottomans (Austria's ally) and then kindly released Greece after I had taken all of the Ottoman's lands. The way things started off I figured I'd be done by the early 1700's, but instead it took until ~1780. Also the AE a country's built up against you really needs to disappear if you vassalize them. Or at least get reduced by 50% or something. I vassalized a small country near Egypt at one point because they had like 3 provinces I needed without realizing that they had a shitload of AE against me because I had beaten up on Ethiopia for like 100 years while getting a foothold in the area. They had a -350 net opinion of me thanks to AE, so I had to wait like 70+ years just to be able to vassalize them, which actually ended up being the last thing I needed for the achievement. I've said it before but I kind of hope AE gets at least a slight reworking. It seems way, way too easy to pile up an AE penalty in the hundreds against nations that you've never even been at war with, especially in the lategame when you get Imperialism and everyone's provinces are really developed.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:38
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Gort posted:Cheaper techs are all there is. And denying the "primitives" CB from exploration if you're masochistic enough to play native Americans.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:41
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Gort posted:Cheaper techs are all there is. There's also trade companies. Somewhat niche but a Muslim coloniser/Merchant Republic might want them.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:18
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Obliterati posted:There's also trade companies. Somewhat niche but a Muslim coloniser/Merchant Republic might want them. Hum, its exactly my case. But as I understand, I cant make trade companies anyway because Im in Asia (arabian penninsula)?
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Jul 20, 2015 19:20
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VDay posted:I've said it before but I kind of hope AE gets at least a slight reworking. It seems way, way too easy to pile up an AE penalty in the hundreds against nations that you've never even been at war with, especially in the lategame when you get Imperialism and everyone's provinces are really developed. I just got hit in the face with AE in my Tab game too, its definitely higher this patch. Mamluks had all of Anatolia but Greece is Albania, Epirus, Wallachia, Venice, and The Knights. I'll post ugly_borders.jpg later. My new Ottoman vassal still has Constantinople but only one other province. Even returning Morea and Athens to the Ottomans gives enough AE to get Lithuania, Poland, Castile, Aragon and Austria wanting to coalition me. And I still have a pile of AE in the east from eating my way to India. I should be done with the Mamluks for the rest of Egypt and Anatolia well before 1700. I might just have to take all of Greece in one set of wars and core it before the coalition tries to smack me.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:35
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Playing Manchu. Finally managed to break Ming and take what I needed to form Qing. Muscovy declares war just as I wrap up, refuses any offers for peace for like 10 years. Finally offers peace, I have to accept it or get stabhit. gently caress you forever, Muscovy. It's not the end of the world, of course. They can't actually reach it so I'll just fund rebels until it flips. But, seriously? They have absolutely no reason to take that other than "gently caress you player, you need this to form Qing so I am taking it." Oh, EU4  Edit:  What- I don't- 
Samolety fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 19:47
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Samolety posted:Playing Manchu. Finally managed to break Ming and take what I needed to form Qing. Muscovy declares war just as I wrap up, refuses any offers for peace for like 10 years. Finally offers peace, I have to accept it or get stabhit. This is actually the best evidence I have ever seen that the AI sometimes acts 100% out of spite, like those times they intentionally get a stack of troops killed because they're desperately trying to reach your one mothballed fort (which is miles away from anything important) because they know that if they flip it they can set up a garrison and make it loving annoying to flip back. E: You should probably bug report that, it seems broken. On a not particularly related note, apparently some weird poo poo can happen with Songhai close to the start date, due to the fact that their monarch and heir are both old as gently caress. I've had 3 stab hits in 5 years from having my heir die and replaced with another 60 year old, then the king dies, etc.
RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 19:53
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In case anyone was curious:  If I had to guess what happened with Muscovy, I'd say they took the province due to "gently caress the player" programming and then gave it back due to "I can't core this poo poo" programming. Samolety fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 20:02
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Samolety posted:If I had to guess what happened with Muscovy, I'd say they took the province due to "gently caress the player" programming and then gave it back due to "I can't core this poo poo" programming.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:18
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I'm thinking of attempting The Sunset Invasion. I've never played as the primitives before. What are some things I should know before starting?
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Jul 20, 2015 20:27
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Node posted:I'm thinking of attempting The Sunset Invasion. I've never played as the primitives before. What are some things I should know before starting? Playing as the Aztecs is pretty much a totally new game from what you might be used to. You exist in an endless cycle of warring your neighbors, vassalizing them, pushing through a reform, losing all of the vassals and then doing it all again. All while trying to keep your doom down, which honestly is a lot easier now than it was when El Dorado first dropped. It is actually a lot of fun because you will end up with AE in the hundreds and it doesn't really matter. I had a lot of fun with my Aztec play through but it was before the development stuff and it sounds like it might be a lot more difficult now.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:34
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Giggle Goose posted:Playing as the Aztecs is pretty much a totally new game from what you might be used to. You exist in an endless cycle of warring your neighbors, vassalizing them, pushing through a reform, losing all of the vassals and then doing it all again. All while trying to keep your doom down, which honestly is a lot easier now than it was when El Dorado first dropped. It is actually a lot of fun because you will end up with AE in the hundreds and it doesn't really matter. I had a lot of fun with my Aztec play through but it was before the development stuff and it sounds like it might be a lot more difficult now. I played a few games in South America, when 99% of your provinces are mountain you can basically forget about development
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Jul 20, 2015 20:36
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Larry Parrish posted:You can tank your RT and then take Religious and let the eventual Revolutionary rebels win to get to regular republic from Merchant republic. Merchant is the best though by far so IDK why you'd bother. Well I'm mostly bored of playing it, and wanted to see my nation evolve or change a bit. And I wanted to try out some of the new mechanics in Common Sense.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:10
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RabidWeasel posted:This is actually the best evidence I have ever seen that the AI sometimes acts 100% out of spite, like those times they intentionally get a stack of troops killed because they're desperately trying to reach your one mothballed fort (which is miles away from anything important) because they know that if they flip it they can set up a garrison and make it loving annoying to flip back. Insane wars definitely happened in history due to spite, hubris and tons of other human failings. I just think of all the times I've made a mistake in the game without realizing it and then just bury my face in my hands and take a wicked stab hit on purpose to fix things as a reminder that just like the AI, I can be stupid sometimes as well.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:12
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I'm playing Ironman, is there any way to find out what the gently caress my vassal is struggling with? I've had them as a march for ~80 years now and they haven't gotten a single new level of admin tech in all that time (they're at 16 adm/20 dip/23 mil, they ought to be around level 24-26 in all three). They're also at -3 stability and have been for decades, and it took them ages to core the provinces I gave them. I haven't given them any more land for a while now, but they're not recovering. I've been subsidising them, so they shouldn't be struggling with money. They're fielding decent armies, actually far larger than their force limits. They occasionally get some rebels, but those are quickly put down with a little help from me. So why does it seem like they haven't gotten a single admin point in nearly a century? Their current leader is 3/3/1, so that shouldn't be the issue.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:14
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Apoffys posted:I'm playing Ironman, is there any way to find out what the gently caress my vassal is struggling with? I've had them as a march for ~80 years now and they haven't gotten a single new level of admin tech in all that time (they're at 16 adm/20 dip/23 mil, they ought to be around level 24-26 in all three). They're also at -3 stability and have been for decades, and it took them ages to core the provinces I gave them. I haven't given them any more land for a while now, but they're not recovering. Are they massively overextended? If you overfeed a vassal they will fall into a death spiral of stab hitting events, and the AI prioritises being at 0 stab over coring provinces or tech. So it will stay in stab hit city over and over. Never overfeed a vassal. Another Person fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 22:35
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Another Person posted:Are they massively overextended? If you overfeed a vassal they will fall into a death spiral of stab hitting events, and the AI prioritises being at 0 stab over coring provinces or tech. So it will stay in stab hit city over and over. Never overfeed a vassal. That's probably what happened then, they got a good bit of land when I first created them. They haven't gotten any land in decades though, and all their stuff is cored now (it just took ages). Shouldn't they eventually snap out of it, since they must be at 0 overextension? Speaking of, is there an easy way to see how much overextension someone has?
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Jul 20, 2015 22:43
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Apoffys posted:That's probably what happened then, they got a good bit of land when I first created them. They haven't gotten any land in decades though, and all their stuff is cored now (it just took ages). Shouldn't they eventually snap out of it, since they must be at 0 overextension?
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Jul 20, 2015 22:59
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Apoffys posted:That's probably what happened then, they got a good bit of land when I first created them. They haven't gotten any land in decades though, and all their stuff is cored now (it just took ages). Shouldn't they eventually snap out of it, since they must be at 0 overextension? I know there's a lot of info about the AI out there but it's hidden away in ledgers or you have to extrapolate based on other factors. I don't ever feel dirty pausing and tag-switching when I want to know something about a country that my country would absolutely know about with even the most basic intelligence network. Most of the time though it's just curiosity.
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Jul 20, 2015 23:10
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