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Badger of Basra posted:i feel like you make this exact post three times a week Yeah. I just can't keep up anymore. 
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Wait, are we now upset when our politicians aren't glib and calculating?
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Jul 21, 2015 01:11
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lol at all the primary thread posters that moved to the uspol thread to talk about the election rather than move to the scary new subforum
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:lol at all the primary thread posters that moved to the uspol thread to talk about the election rather than move to the scary new subforum tbf I would be afraid to reside under your stern suzerainty as well exmarx and aa are permissive kings
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Wait, are we now upset when our politicians aren't glib and calculating? yes welcome to politics in the new millennium
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My Yankee Candle died y'all
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Wait, are we now upset when our politicians aren't glib and calculating? this is literally why i like hillary clinton
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Wait, are we now upset when our politicians aren't glib and calculating?
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Jul 21, 2015 01:14
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Jul 21, 2015 01:14
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the chick that runs hillarys twitter is pretty pro why can't she exercise the same quality of judgment when hiring senior campaign staff as when hiring social media interns
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Jul 21, 2015 01:14
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V. Illych L. posted:sure, but he should've had an answer canned for this kind of situation. not having it shows an unforgivable lack of professionalism and a fatal misunderstanding of contemporary politics Like, there's a laundry list of issues about race it would take 30 minutes to Google and have something to say about, or he could at least say "yeah I need to learn about," then schedule meetings with black political leaders and activists and listen to them. Neither of these are difficult and would certainly help him.
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Gravel Gravy posted:My Yankee Candle died y'all This is a sign that the South shall rise again!
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Gravel Gravy posted:My Yankee Candle died y'all Okay sorry that really sucked.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:16
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Sharkie posted:Like, there's a laundry list of issues about race it would take 30 minutes to Google and have something to say about, or he could at least say "yeah I need to learn about," then schedule meetings with black political leaders and activists and listen to them. Neither of these are difficult and would certainly help him. Hes not actually trying to win so I dont see the point.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:lol at all the primary thread posters that moved to the uspol thread to talk about the election rather than move to the scary new subforum 
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Berke Negri posted:who was the best vp of these united states Theodore Roosevelt
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Sharkie posted:Like, there's a laundry list of issues about race it would take 30 minutes to Google and have something to say about, or he could at least say "yeah I need to learn about," then schedule meetings with black political leaders and activists and listen to them. Neither of these are difficult and would certainly help him. euphronius posted:Hes not actually trying to win so I dont see the point.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:17
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:There's a wide gulf between being glib and calculating, and being tone deaf. the thing is, any misstatement that plays into a narrative that is damaging to you is fatal in this era you're invulnerable to anything that feeds into your mythology, though. which is why hillary can say as many dumb things as she wants and still cruise to victory to the half-hearted cheers of the nation's poor and minorities, and why The Donald can say whatever hideous thing he feels like any politician is going to make these mistakes sometimes. the trick is to make it not stick - and that is hillary's political superpower
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Jul 21, 2015 01:17
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PupsOfWar posted:exmarx and aa are permissive kings After all, where else could guys like Smoothrich, Liberal L33t and The Insect Court get away with their posting (besides maybe GBS)? 
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Jul 21, 2015 01:19
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euphronius posted:Hes not actually trying to win so I dont see the point. Right, but he is trying to get his message out, and I think at least a few moves towards acknowledging these issues would help spread his message to a wider audience, and gain traction in yoking his message to these other issues.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:20
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:It turns out that listening to someone's problems and concerns is actually really good for you, both personally and politically. Who knew! no that is poison and should never be done because then you'll end up with an unrepresentative opinion based on some person's experiences filtering any statement through a stringent vetting and carefully crafting the appropriate image is what's good for you politically like, this is MIGF-mode but he's actually right
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V. Illych L. posted:any politician is going to make these mistakes sometimes. the trick is to make it not stick - and that is hillary's political superpower
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PupsOfWar posted:tbf I would be afraid to reside under your stern suzerainty as well so far my only probie has been fishmech
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:This is a sign that the South shall rise again! So would that be [url]http://www.yankeecandle.com/product/clean-cotton/_/R-1010728?mr:trackingCode=D4CC1002-F6D4-E311-9403001B2163195C&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=70087844935&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=101992557895&cm_mmc=PPC-_-Google-_-PLA[campaign]&gclid=Cj0KEQjwuLKtBRDPicmJyvu_qZMBEiQAzlGN5qfYIxd_hcSqxOo7F_pxKS1D4YOS8VtY2qhEAcZNW4UaAnYX8P8HAQ[/url]
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:To be fair the sheer volume of the inanity that has come out of the right wing over the last 25 years about the Clintons (and Obama) basically numbed Americans to criticisms of Hillary (and Obama, and Bill). yeah but it takes genuine talent to actually weave all those attacks into an armour like hillary has
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V. Illych L. posted:no that is poison and should never be done because then you'll end up with an unrepresentative opinion based on some person's experiences Peoples stories are good for stump speeches though.
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euphronius posted:Peoples stories are good for stump speeches though. sure, if you can obtain a person who's adequately representative and vetted through the appropriate channels
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Sharkie posted:Right, but he is trying to get his message out, and I think at least a few moves towards acknowledging these issues would help spread his message to a wider audience, and gain traction in yoking his message to these other issues. sanders not Getting racial issues is an established truth, he would not be taken seriously if he tried
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V. Illych L. posted:no that is poison and should never be done because then you'll end up with an unrepresentative opinion based on some person's experiences Clinton and Obama are both good at this. They make the people they talk to feel like they matter to the campaign, and that their concerns are being heard and addressed. Hopefully they actually are hearing and addressing those concerns, as well. Bernie has not been great about this (making them feel heard, that is).
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Jul 21, 2015 01:26
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newt gingrich was just on month of zen gigantic piece of poo poo
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:If you're running for President you should have a decent idea already what each part of your coalition cares about and what they want to hear from you. It's about connecting with those parts and making them feel like they have a voice in your campaign. yeah, exactly. politics at this level are all about saying the right things and building the right narrative around yourself. having actual opinions is ok, but you keep those opinions to yourself a candidate of today is a cipher for various interest groups to gain some position or other, not actually a person. personality beyond a certain maximum amount is entirely to the detriment of a presidential candidate - hillary Gets this, and acts accordingly of course, some personal attributes are useful as well - you have to be able to make a decent speech, you have to be implacably stubborn etc. - but all must be subordinate to the base will to power in a modern politician, and hillary understands this better than anyone. this is why she is the best candidate for president - she understands the realities of the office better than perhaps anyone alive who hasn't actually been in it V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:henry wallace was badass henry wallace was the best president who never was
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month of zen is smack dab in the middle of Indecision 2008, palin has been named VP, it's the republican national convention, and everything is terrible
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Jul 21, 2015 01:29
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Jul 21, 2015 01:32
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V. Illych L. posted:sanders not Getting racial issues is an established truth, he would not be taken seriously if he tried He still has a lot of time in the spotlight, though, and even taking baby steps and being able to admit that you need to learn more about it would be a good step for him. And race is far too important a subject for someone who is running for president (even if they're not running to win) to throw your hands up about and just say I don't get it, its not my bag.
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euphronius posted:We really owe Obama a big thank you.
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