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Omi-Polari posted:I think Trump's support is almost entirely ephemeral and a product of the slow "silly" news season in the late summer, as in I'm saying his rise is a temporary product of Fox News seeking ratings while many people go on vacation or spend time outdoors instead of watching/reading news. I think his support is the kind that doubles down and then doubles down on the doubling down. The more he pisses off the Republican establishment (which includes Fox News) the more they'll like him. I honestly don't know what he could say that would lose their support, short of endorsing Hillary. They know McCain was speaking for the GOP establishment when he called them crazies and they're spiteful enough they'd rather burn the party to the ground than quietly come back into the fold. The running joke with these people has been "I'm done with the GOP!" *votes straight ticket Republican* but with Trump to lead them they actually might not do that this time if he goes independent.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:So have Dems seized on this yet? Nah we are too pissed about Scotty trying to dismantle the independent state agency that oversees elections. You know the one that authorized the investigation into his 2012 recall campaign concerning its illegal coordination with political groups. quote:Walker told reporters Monday that he wanted to scrap the Government Accountability Board and replace it with "something completely new that is truly accountable to the people of the state of Wisconsin."
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:holy poo poo that poll with Trump at 24% and Jeb at 12% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppMQ2Jvekfg
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I have pictures from the event! I was going to upload them yesterday, but looking at them made me depressed and angry again, so I just waited an extra day. I picked out what I think were the best. I also included each candidates segment as a link in their name. I put them in order so you can see the deteriorating Frank Luntz. Steve King  Marco Rubio- Everything started so well for Frank Luntz.   Donald Trump- Nothing more to say. It was magical. Luntz lost control of the program here.  Ben Carson- Carson had a tent outside of the auditorium, they couldn't be inside it because it wasn't actually a campaign stop. He also interacts terribly with the public. Very awkward during the book signing. Too bad for him he stayed at the signing for most of the time.  Ted Cruz- He gave himself standing ovations. Don't worry it was only 5 in total and he never stood until everyone else did. At the book signing the longest and was actually interacting and taking pictures with folks for a few minutes until his assistant said something to him. Then it was only book signings. Still real happy about my Green Eggs and Ham sign by him.   Mike Huckabee- He spent 15 minutes signing books during the allotted time then bugged out.  Lindsay Graham- Would have felt sorry for him when crying about his mom and dad if he didn't follow it up with bomb the browns and gently caress the young.  Bobby Jindal- You think Trump is nuts? Listen to this guys speech. Tied Cruz with 5 standing ovations. Holy moley!  Rick Perry- Fun Fact- during his segment is when my girlfriend lost her patience. If Perry had been within reach I bet we would be in jail right now.  Rick Santorum- He got the crazy question about Jesuit connections. He is also the most comfortable walking among and talking to the masses. He stayed at the book signing and milling about as long as Carson.  Scott Walker- Last of the interview things. The only guy to do it right, but by this time Frank gave no fucks. Walker looked and sounded tired. Guy needs a day off.  Scott Walker's Iowa tour bus. He is doing the Grassley!  You can sign the bus!  I'm a loving goon.   I also got some swag. A t-shirt, buttons, stickers, but the prime stuff is the pamphlets. They are: "Who in Their Right Mind Would Normalize Pedophilia?", "Facts About Pornography", "Unmasking the 'Gay' Agenda" Also have a "We the people Candidate Assessment Report Card". I would take photos of these and most them if anyone is interested in seeing the ridiculousness of the pamphlets or the candidate best for you.
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Does anyone have good objective data showing how long it takes a bad story, bad news coverage to become reflected in polls? I'm thinking specifically about Trump's remarks re McCain. Doesn't this process take a little time, since the people being polled have to absorb the news, and then sometimes absorb the associated talking points and spin, via the media over a period of days or even a week or more sometimes?
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OK, seriously, I can't be the only person who looks at Scott Walker and sees David Schwimmer. And that makes me imagine that Pres. Walker would be like that rear end in a top hat officer Schwimmer played in Band of Brothers.
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HappyHippo posted:Just gonna post this again for the new page because everyone should see it: I don't like this because it shows Bush/Trump combined beating Clinton 50-46, and if that happened be prepared for "Hillary's not a legit president" ad naseum. Not that that matters. But it is curious how Clinton easily beats any Republican 1 on 1 by 5+ points, but loses by 4 points to the combined numbers of Bush/Trump. Where are these extra voters coming from?
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Joementum posted:Here's the data science to back up what you already knew about Trump's poll surge. This sounds reasonable, but I'm unsure about something. How likely is this to happen?
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Omi-Polari posted:I think Trump's support is almost entirely ephemeral and a product of the slow "silly" news season in the late summer, as in I'm saying his rise is a temporary product of Fox News seeking ratings while many people go on vacation or spend time outdoors instead of watching/reading news. guys i'm scared, the summer before 9-11 was almost all shark attacks and political craziness and we all know how that turned out  fake e: political craziness was missing/murdered interns but still
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Cigar Aficionado posted:I don't like this because it shows Bush/Trump combined beating Clinton 50-46, and if that happened be prepared for "Hillary's not a legit president" ad naseum. Not that that matters. But it is curious how Clinton easily beats any Republican 1 on 1 by 5+ points, but loses by 4 points to the combined numbers of Bush/Trump. Where are these extra voters coming from? 1992 presidential actual results: Clinton 43.0% Bush 37.5% Perot 18.9% (combined Bush + Perot: 56.4%) 1996 presidential actual results: Clinton 49.2% Dole 40.7% Perot 8.4% (combined Dole + Perot: 49.1%) Just saying. And incidentally the turnout for the 96 election was just 49%, while 92 was 55.2%. 2012 was 58.2%, 2008 was 61.6%
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Nintendo Kid posted:1992 presidential actual results: But in this case, it looks like Trump is taking votes from Clinton, which makes no sense.
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oswald ownenstein posted:Hopefully voter ID laws will help solve some of this democrat advantage problem so we can have some common sense in the white house for a few more precious years until we return to the darkness How does it feel knowing in your bones that there will be a socialist in the White House pretty soon?
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MrBims posted:How does it feel knowing in your bones that there will be a socialist in the White House pretty soon? There already is one 
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Mr Hootington posted:I also got some swag. A t-shirt, buttons, stickers, but the prime stuff is the pamphlets. They are: "Who in Their Right Mind Would Normalize Pedophilia?", "Facts About Pornography", "Unmasking the 'Gay' Agenda" Also have a "We the people Candidate Assessment Report Card". I would take photos of these and most them if anyone is interested in seeing the ridiculousness of the pamphlets or the candidate best for you. Absolutely share those pamphlets.
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oswald ownenstein posted:There already is one Who? Is the President safe?
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Trump does better with self-described moderate Republicans than conservative/very conservative. I think saying he's stealing the Tea Party wing or being surprised he's taking some of Clinton's voters is missing what Donald Trump is tapping into.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:But in this case, it looks like Trump is taking votes from Clinton, which makes no sense. Eh it's not a direct comparison. Trump's apparently taking 2% of the vote out of "other", since the just Clinton/Bush only totals to 94% and the one with trump totals to 96%. But the important part is that he's taking way more outta Bush than outta Clinton. Similarly, Perot took a little out of Clinton, but much more out of first Bush, and then Dole.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:But in this case, it looks like Trump is taking votes from Clinton, which makes no sense. How much of the democratic voter base is white? Cause that is the reason. Skwirl posted:Absolutely share those pamphlets. I will post them tomorrow night in the D&D picture thread.
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Heil Bernie!The National Review posted:In the Bernieverse, there’s a whole lot of nationalism mixed up in the socialism. He is, in fact, leading a national-socialist movement, which is a queasy and uncomfortable thing to write about a man who is the son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and whose family was murdered in the Holocaust. But there is no other way to characterize his views and his politics. Really makes you think. (Above link is to Vox, not the NRO.)
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Mr Hootington posted:How much of the democratic voter base is white? Cause that is the reason. Please post a link to that here, I only occasionally glance at that thread and miss a lot of content.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:But in this case, it looks like Trump is taking votes from Clinton, which makes no sense. There is a certain percentage of voters whose opinions make no sense.
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Miltank posted:There is a certain percentage of voters whose opinions make no sense. Mystery solved. Can someone confirm that the Republican nominee needs to win 47% of the Latino vote to win the election in 2016? Cause if so, lol.
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Fox News needs ratings. Trump gives them ratings. Trump is terrible for the Republican party, galvanizing the worst parts of it against a field that's so weak that no one can really stand against him. As soon as Jeb tried there was a gotcha with his idiotic swiftboat garbage and he's the best they've got. I really wish I could be a fly on the wall at the back room of a GOP meeting, although at this point they've lost control of the party to an almost hilarious degree. You would also have to be a fly on the wall of (off the top of my head) the Koch bros. board room and Donald Trump's private office, Roger Ailes private office is probably another heavy hitter. I can't remember seeing the republican party this fractured in my lifetime. The weird, awful, gross symbiotic relationship between the Republican party and Fox News is finally going full-on parasitic. The hardcore ideologues at Fox probably lament what's happening to their party right now, but the business side needs the election to be as much spectacle as possible - and a huge chunk of these has-beens and never-will-be's are counting on getting a consulting spot on the network, or maybe a stop on their book tour, at least. Sarah Palin should have never been allowed anywhere near a government, lead alone leading one, and she made a fortune demagoguing for Fox. But now they find themselves in the position of needing Fox more than Fox needs any one of them. Also, If you step out of line there's a tea party candidate waiting to primary you. At levels as low as state legislature. That's insanity. The old guard are freaking out. I've seen Lindsay Graham freak out a couple of times already. So now money and spectacle determine the Republican primary? Enter Donald. loving. Trump. Donald doesn't use any kind of 'dogwhistle'. He doesn't understand why dogs get their own whistles, and he doesn't use them, but he'll sell you one with his name laser etched into it at a 400% markup. He had a dog whistle once. Didn't make any noise, so he threw it away - what kind of whistle is that? Openly racist. Calls the rest of his republican competition a bunch of clowns, and is factually correct. He's got the money, and he'll give you the show. Whether you like it or not. And with the huge field of idiots, morons and losers, only one guy even stands a chance. If there were only a handful of these jerks, they might be able to mount an effective resistance. Of course, after even the first debate the Republican field could be winnowed quite a bit - or it might not, depending on how many also rans don't drop out immediately after not making it into the Fox debate. There will be a chance to rally what's left of the fragile GOP coalition of white folks behind an establishment candidate - but the best case scenario is that everyone who doesn't make it into the Fox debates drops out of the race, which still leaves TEN of these chucklefucks. Oh, and Trump is not only one of them, but at this point I'm willing to bet that at that point he's starting to get quite a bit of momentum. I say starting, but he's already got quite a bit, and he doesn't show any signs of slowing. Does anyone have any good articles regarding the 'kids table' or 'shadow' debate? I wonder how many of these desperate losers are actually going to show up. I can already see the smarmy look on Ted Cruz' face as Fox News has to let him be on the same stage as the likes of The Donald, or Wisconsin Burning.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Mystery solved. Well if they don't, they'll need a super majority of the white vote and decent black support.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Mystery solved. The breakdown is pretty weird because of the electoral system and wide divergences on ethnic makeup between states. I live in California and the SF Chronicle had a front page story about Trump ruining the Latino vote for Republicans, but California is definitely not a swing state. Howrver, the major point the story was making was that Latinos, historically, have very low voter turn out but poo poo like "Mexicans are rapists" will encourage them greatly to actually turn out, and not in the Republicans favor even if Trump isn't the nominee. Given demographics, if you can't get at least some of the Latino vote in southern states that's a lot of red states that become purple or blue. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Skwirl posted:The major point the story was making was that Latinos, historically, have very low voter turn out but poo poo like "Mexicans are rapists" will encourage them greatly to actually turn out. Good! Trump will win every one of them. 
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quote:I have the good fortune of knowing both John McCain and Donald Trump well. Both men have more in common than the today's media hype would have you believe. Both blazed trails in their careers and love our great nation. Sen. McCain dedicated his life to serving our country, and in my humble opinion the sacrifices made by all ethical service members are heroic – putting it all on the line to defend freedom IS heroic – and Donald Trump is a hero in another arena. Trump is the candidate giving voice to untold millions of fed-up Americans witnessing a purposeful destruction of our economy and the equal opportunity for success that made America exceptional. We're watching career politicians throw away our kids' future through bankrupting public budgets and ripping open our porous borders which, obvious to all us non-politicians, puts us at great risk. Everywhere I go, hard-working patriotic Americans – not "crazies" or "wacko birds" – ask me to pass on to Mr. Trump encouragement to keep educating the masses about true ramifications of illegal immigration, and in general the real state of our union. I encourage both leaders to resolve the media driven wedge between them, and we can keep the debate focused on significant issues at hand. I leave politics of personal destruction to those on the Left and lazy media lapdogs whose only take away from any debate is any salacious slip-up, as if they've never wanted to restate something they've publicly uttered. I'll fight the exhausting, divisive strategy that's taken hold under the current crop of politicians who refuse to allow our United States to unite. Both Mr. Trump and Sen. McCain can contribute their gifts and talents to join that fight to work together, because the Left is headed the other direction, and under their desired division we will fall. Sarah Palin https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153501964628588 Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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oswald ownenstein posted:Hopefully voter ID laws will help solve some of this democrat advantage problem so we can have some common sense in the white house for a few more precious years until we return to the darkness To bad Republicans are dumb and put all the voter ID in the solid red states which don't matter. Like the amount of electoral votes the Republicans need is so hilariously staggering that they could win 2-3 swing states and still lose.
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I don't think I saw it mentioned yet: The Des Moines Register, Iowa's largest newspaper, called on Trump to leave the race. quote:Editorial: Trump should pull the plug on his bloviating side show http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/caucus/2015/07/20/donald-trump-end-campaign/30439253/ Seriously, a scathing editorial, you should read it. I don't know how representative the Register's editorial board is of Iowa as a whole, but their criticisms are devastating. If only Trump had a sense of shame. William Bear fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Venom Snake posted:To bad Republicans are dumb and put all the voter ID in the solid red states which don't matter. Like the amount of electoral votes the Republicans need is so hilariously staggering that they could win 2-3 swing states and still lose. NC. VA. They tried in PA and OH as well but failed.
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William Bear posted:I don't think I saw it mentioned yet: The Des Moines Register, Iowa's largest newspaper, called on Trump to leave the race. fun haters of the highest degree
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GalacticAcid posted:NC. VA. They tried in PA and OH as well but failed. I think Virginia is at least in the "leans blue" category by now, PA was never really up for grabs when it came to presidential politics either.
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol do these idiots not realize that Trump feeds on your sadness and anger i long to be hated by the pundit class and loved by the most disgusting people on earth toddlers should be raped to teach them about how tough life is and not to rely on anyone to save them vote quantum finger for president 2016
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Quantum Finger posted:i long to be hated by the pundit class and loved by the most disgusting people on earth wait no dont
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