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Lets Pickle posted:Episode 11 was pretty nuts, I think it was the only time the entire season that somebody says the word gently caress. I forgot that since it's a Netflix-only show they can use whatever language they want. I get the impression that they held back on the f-word all season just so it would have more impact when it gets used that once. The only other time it was used was in the first season, Herb's last words to Bojack: "Now get the gently caress out of my house." e: now that it's spoilers allowed, I loved this subtle reference: 
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"oval office" is in episode 3
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Jul 20, 2015 12:18
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Escobarbarian posted:"oval office" is in episode 3 Yeah but it was ok to say it because she is British. Those Brits say it all the time.
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Jul 20, 2015 12:53
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Victorkm posted:Yeah but it was ok to say it because she is British. Those Brits say it all the time. It's true, over here oval office means "to enjoy someone's presence in a way you weren't expecting to"
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Jul 20, 2015 13:12
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Victorkm posted:Yeah but it was ok to say it because she is British. Those Brits say it all the time. Yeah really though. I'm Irish and when I moved to Toronto I was shocked at how much oval office bothered people. It's so weird.
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Jul 20, 2015 13:52
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Nilbop posted:Yeah really though. I'm Irish and when I moved to Toronto I was shocked at how much oval office bothered people. It's so weird.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:18
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I'm embarrassed that I laughed hardest at the Matthew Fox/Scott Wolf joke. Also that ep. 2 9/11 joke might be the best 9/11 joke I've ever heard. I'd really like to see a list of the guest voice actors and what roles they played. Who voiced the hippo Cosby analog?
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Jul 20, 2015 15:34
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Its so ridiculously stupid but I laughed my rear end off at the end of episode 2 (Mr. Peanutbutter saving Todd). I don't even know why. I rewatched the episode and the same thing happened. I'm not very good at being critical.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:41
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I rewatched the first episode today after finishing season 2 and I'm pretty sure one of the four people who got Todd into improv was at the quinceanera. The one with the hat.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:24
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FactsAreUseless posted:Are you genuinely confused by the idea of cultural differences giving words different connotations? Don't be stupid, you know he didn't mean that, stupid.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:26
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I knew that orphanage portrait looked familiar. 
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Jul 20, 2015 16:44
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Entropic posted:I knew that orphanage portrait looked familiar. Why do they always use the sneeze picture?!
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Jul 20, 2015 18:16
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loving Paul McCartney was amazing. Scott Wolf/Matthew Fox was pretty much the best way they could have played that. Wanda's brick joke. Todd's off-screen sponsoring of a genocide. The entire ending of Episode 8 - "Elijah Wood?" *reactions* *money immediately falls into fire* *cut to credits.* That last convo between Bojack and Wanda. Ending the season on a quasi-happily ever after where no one's happy and Courtney Barnett plays as the season ends. This was an excellent loving season of television.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:45
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This season I finally understood the hand sign that Sarah Lynn does.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:11
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I watched all of Season 1 and definitely didn't like it as much as a lot of people. I thought there were basically 3-4 good episodes in the whole season. Is season 2 more of the same?
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Jul 20, 2015 20:32
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I watched all of Season 1 and definitely didn't like it as much as a lot of people. I thought there were basically 3-4 good episodes in the whole season. Is season 2 more of the same? Yes. A little tighter in some places, a little looser in some places; but it evens out to being just like season 1. You'd probably have the exact same reaction to season 2.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:37
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nooneofconsequence posted:This season I finally understood the hand sign that Sarah Lynn does. Speaking of the episode where they reunite the Horsin' Around cast, did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing? All we get is some sort of mystery, followed by them solving the mystery and not a whole lot else. It hints at some interesting character development, but nothing comes of it. Princess Carolyn's bit was pretty funny, though.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:41
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Biggest laugh of the season for me was probably: "Okay.... Bojack, Do you want to talk about the elephant in the room?" "Woooooooow! Okay. You know what? You know what? Your- First of all- Wow. A-Alright, I can't even - ugh! .... You know what? Pfft ugh. Wooooooooow!" "He is never gonna forget that." Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Speaking of the episode where they reunite the Horsin' Around cast, did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing? All we get is some sort of mystery, followed by them solving the mystery and not a whole lot else. It hints at some interesting character development, but nothing comes of it. Princess Carolyn's bit was pretty funny, though. I thought it was great. It struck a good balance: it was funny and it got incredibly dark between all the references to Sarah Lynn being molested and the gut punch of an ending. Plus, animal puns: "I'll let you get back to your business" and Maggot Gyllenhaal.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:51
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Speaking of the episode where they reunite the Horsin' Around cast, did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing? All we get is some sort of mystery, followed by them solving the mystery and not a whole lot else. It hints at some interesting character development, but nothing comes of it. Princess Carolyn's bit was pretty funny, though. We didn't even get a callback to the redheaded kid's name being Bradley Hitler-Smith.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:13
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Apparently Lisa Hanawalt actually voiced a character this season... Becca the chicken in episode 5. Buc-buc-CAW!
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Jul 20, 2015 21:30
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The Human Crouton posted:Yes. A little tighter in some places, a little looser in some places; but it evens out to being just like season 1. You'd probably have the exact same reaction to season 2. Sweet, thanks for the response. I'll give it a couple of episodes and see where I'm at.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:54
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"Oh my god, are you Todd?" "Uhh yes." "SHUT UP TODD!" "Awww okay"
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Jul 21, 2015 00:44
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I love the little jokes about Mr Peanutbutter being a dog, like his ears perking up when the doorbell rings or Diane in the middle of a serious conversation about their relationship deadpanning "Mr. Peanutbutter, you know I love you, and you're a good dog, yes you are, yes you are, but.."
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Jul 21, 2015 01:10
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Dolash posted:I found it a little weird they weren't willing to have the characters say the Hippo had sexually abused his assistants. They made a point in the episode that everyone was dancing around actually saying the allegations but then when Diane steps up to say it outright the show cuts away. I'm not finished with the season yet so I'm gonna be ducking right back out after I post this, but I don't think it was necessarily about the writers being afraid to mention the word "rape." We all know what "the allegations" are, we're not idiots, the whole Juneau tour stop was pretty much word for word how Hannibal Buress got everyone looking at Cosby. I think the question is "Did we need anybody to say out loud that it was rape?" None of the POV characters are arguing that it wasn't rape. Nobody's painting the hippo in shades of grey; his meeting with Diane wasn't about "Look I'm a good person who made some mistakes," he was there to tell her to gently caress off and to enjoy the end of her career. So if it's clear that the hippo is a bad guy and that he raped his assistants, then why do we need it said out loud? Honestly, I think the word "rape" means a lot of different things to a lot of people, and there are a shocking amount of dumbasses out there who believe rape is bad, but has a very narrow definition, and that women often throw the word around with impunity in order to victimize men: "Well, maybe she was asking for it." "She doesn't have any memory of it, so how can we trust what she says?" I think not using the word "rape" is a clever way to get past all that (obviously insane) baggage and keep on target: "This (You do have a good point about the way Todd's plot intersected with the whole thing, though; it's why I didn't quote it.) PostNouveau posted:Buttttttt yeah, the plot itself wasn't believable at all since we just saw Bill Cosby become a total pariah in the span of about a week. I think the difference between Cosby and the hippo whose name I've clearly forgotten is that Hannibal Buress was the one to call out Cosby. I think if, say, Aparna Nancherla called him out in the same way Hannibal did, there's a better chance that she'd be ignored and possibly even stigmatized, and that "We're here to enjoy my gift" wouldn't take on a horrifying double meaning. Okay, like I said, I can't come back until I've finished the show, which might be some time because loving Jesus they're laying on the hurt, and I haven't even hit episode 11 yet. So for anybody responding, don't be surprised if you don't hear back right away.
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You really can't just cede ground on what rape is - especially in a whole episode patterned around how people are trying to do exactly that. If the question is "we all know what they're talking about, why do they need to say it?" then the answer is it needs to be said because we all know what they're talking about, and everyone knowing what's going on while being too uncomfortable to admit it directly is the very core of the issue concerning powerful men exploiting their positions to sexually abuse women. They want us to take Diane's side on this, that's pretty clear, but the show itself isn't completely willing to take her side. They literally have a moment where she points out nobody has the guts to name the allegations on-air and when she goes to do so we cut away - it's like the show's giving a knowing wink to their own discomfort and unwillingness, which isn't actually an excuse. I don't think they avoided using the word rape to avoid triggering those assholes whose first reaction is "oh, women lie about rape all the time, it's probably bullshit", those assholes are meant to be the target. I think the issue is they want to set up a little ambiguity around Diane pursuing a worthy cause particularly to fit into her overarching arc about wanting to do important work, and they may have realized if the characters are forced to face the full implications head-on it's hard to stay on the fence. Even Sebastian and the war-torn Cordovia was presented so over-the-top as to be played for laughs, but a rapist getting away with his crimes due to his position is too dark to make jokes about directly - as soon as that little boy Diane befriended was blown up they were cracking jokes but I don't remember one sex joke concerning the hippo, the comic relief came from the magazine and Todd's latest goofishness. It's still a good episode and it tackles a very serious issue in what is mostly a very honest way. I remember seeing one person say they finally understood why some women don't like "innocent" comments like the guy at the end telling her to smile. I do think that they fell short of their aims a little, though. Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Speaking of the episode where they reunite the Horsin' Around cast, did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing? All we get is some sort of mystery, followed by them solving the mystery and not a whole lot else. It hints at some interesting character development, but nothing comes of it. Princess Carolyn's bit was pretty funny, though. I really enjoyed how they each had a flashback to a moment where Herb had been there for them or provided some kind of advice, and showing how they completely missed the point. It was also nice that the other two kids didn't grow up to be complete and utter trainwrecks, it felt a little more balanced that way.
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Dolash posted:I found it a little weird they weren't willing to have the characters say the Hippo had sexually abused his assistants. They made a point in the episode that everyone was dancing around actually saying the allegations but then when Diane steps up to say it outright the show cuts away. You know that episode of the Simpsons where Troy McClure has a sham marriage but instead of just having him be gay they made him have a fish fetish because it's a wacky cartoon world? I figure that having the hippo be sexually abusing women but not explicitly saying how was just Bojack's pitch-black version of that.
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Sleeveless posted:You know that episode of the Simpsons where Troy McClure has a sham marriage but instead of just having him be gay they made him have a fish fetish because it's a wacky cartoon world? I figure that having the hippo be sexually abusing women but not explicitly saying how was just Bojack's pitch-black version of that. This isn't sneaking things under the radar, though, unless there's some kind of censor rating Bojack had to squeak under that somehow let the rest of the season go. They're definitely pulling their punches. I'm sympathetic to why they're doing it from a writing perspective, there's all kinds of problems they'd have to deal with (from audience reactions, shitheads preprogrammed to side against rape allegations and writing difficulties where characters we're supposed to think have a fair point are forced to say "Yes, but" to rape directly), it's just a little less powerful than it otherwise could be.
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 Fight Club is a good and important movie.
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so as much as I enjoyed the result of it at the end of episode 11 did Penny force herself on BoJack or did he actually just think "gently caress it, let's do this"? I mean it doesn't make a huge difference since BoJack didn't say "it's not what it looks like" when Charlotte walked in but at the same time I wouldn't have thought that BoJack would ever stoop that low.
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Jul 21, 2015 06:32
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Entropic posted:
I laughed most at the MRA Day float collapse
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Episode 8 The Elijah Wood line was hands-down the funniest thing I've seen on TV this year. I couldn't stop laughing. This show's ability to pivot from drama to humor makes everything land that much harder - it lets you laugh then slaps you across the face, then makes you laugh again before you can even be angry. I've never felt more manipulated by a TV show (including Community), and I love it.Entropic posted:Fight Club is a good and important movie. Waitttt was that a reference to But I'm a Nice Guy? S w a y z e fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 07:27
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Aces High posted:so as much as I enjoyed the result of it at the end of episode 11 did Penny force herself on BoJack or did he actually just think "gently caress it, let's do this"? I mean it doesn't make a huge difference since BoJack didn't say "it's not what it looks like" when Charlotte walked in but at the same time I wouldn't have thought that BoJack would ever stoop that low. I think the second one. After getting rejected by Charlotte, when Penny is waiting for him on the boat, he tells her to go to bed and then goes into the bedroom, but he leaves the bedroom door open. Particularly since it is also the door to the outside, there was no reason for him to do that unless he expected her to follow him. If this is correct, it's kind of breathtaking to realize just how much bigger his transgressions against Charlotte are compared to Herb. That said, there is enough ambiguity that, barring one of the creators weighing in, you can definitively say it happened either way.
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Episode 11 also Episode 3. Right at the end of season 1, I absolutely called Herb dying, Charlotte and Bojack meeting up at the funeral, and hitting things off. Seemed like an obvious plot progression, but I was hoping it would come at a point where Bojack had learned how to be happy with himself, so he wouldn't sabotage yet another relationship. Am I reading too far into things by wondering if Bojack's exit from Charlotte's life, being towed to L.A. on his boat, was a nod to the phrase "that ship has sailed"?
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I dont know posted:I think the second one. After getting rejected by Charlotte, when Penny is waiting for him on the boat, he tells her to go to bed and then goes into the bedroom, but he leaves the bedroom door open. Particularly since it is also the door to the outside, there was no reason for him to do that unless he expected her to follow him. If this is correct, it's kind of breathtaking to realize just how much bigger his transgressions against Charlotte are compared to Herb. When he says "go to bed Penny" I think he was definitely telling her to go back to her own bed and leave him alone. Leaving the door open in that moment isn't in itself an invitation to come inside, but you could probably read it as kind of a visual metaphor for what we can most reasonably assume happens next: Penny persists, and instead of shutting her down and leaving her outside Bojack gives in. I doubt Bojack asked Penny to sleep with him, but obviously he agreed to do it, and considering he's a grown-rear end horse and she's a teenage girl that isn't actually any better.
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Opposing Farce posted:When he says "go to bed Penny" I think he was definitely telling her to go back to her own bed and leave him alone. Leaving the door open in that moment isn't in itself an invitation to come inside, but you could probably read it as kind of a visual metaphor for what we can most reasonably assume happens next: Penny persists, and instead of shutting her down and leaving her outside Bojack gives in. I doubt Bojack asked Penny to sleep with him, but obviously he agreed to do it, and considering he's a grown-rear end horse and she's a teenage girl that isn't actually any better. This is a good point, I don't think he left the door open as an invitation so much as acknowledging that she wasn't going to give up, and that he no longer had the energy or motivation to resist her. It signaled he was going back to being passively indifferent as he does when depressed. Even though he didn't want to sleep with her, he consented because in the moment it was the path of least resistance.
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CRINDY posted:loving Paul McCartney was amazing. "Hmm yeah cake joke pretty funny...wait holy poo poo that was actually Paul McCartney?" Famous people are coming from all over to be on an animated show on Netflix. Crazy. I haven't seen any love yet for J. D. Salinger, probably my favorite (and the most absurd) part of Season 2.
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Holy gently caress that Chicken for Dayz episode was the most messed up episode of anything I've seen in a long time. I love this show.
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I am halfway through this season and it is great and such an improvement and legit one of the best shows of the year imo. Like the satire is still a little over-obvious and weak at times sure (Carolyn's whole speech to Salinger about people hating reading for one) but overall it's awesome and the character work rules.
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Chakron posted:"Hmm yeah cake joke pretty funny...wait holy poo poo that was actually Paul McCartney?" I loved how McCartney only had 2 lines and was almost completely inconsequential to the show.
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I thought it was weird that the panda from episode 9 was named Alan, given that most of the animal people on the show have apropos animal names- until I realized it might be a reference to this fella: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Alan_The_Panda
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