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BiggerBoat posted:Holy poo poo. Did SMG get a new user name? You're reading an awful lot of probably unintentional subtext into movies about monsters. I'm nowhere near the only person with that interpretation, and it's pretty much the tamest version of gender/sexuality analysis of Predator you'll find out there. I've read ones that range from 80s AIDS panic to Dutch's latent homosexuality. Screenwriters and filmmakers intentionally fold all kinds of subtext into their movies all the time. And if I was SMG I'd be filling up a whole page with elaboration and a scene-by-scene analysis.
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One of the very first posts I read on something awful was a very similar analysis.
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That's really stupid, tbh. It's Predator. A dumb shoot-the-alien movie.
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Nutsngum posted:Because in the visual context of Temple of Doom you "can" survive it. Yes I know in real life you would hit the ground too hard anyway but it still looks like it could possibly work. Hence suspension of disbelief. One thing that *could* have come out of Crystal Skull that *could* have been cool was if they did something with the stories of Indy's adventures during WWII with the OSS. I mean, sorry to the guy from last page who doesn't like them, but the reason that the Nazis are the bad guys in so many things is that a) they're completely indefensible and are serious, purestrain evil and b) they did so much poo poo that was either or both completely evil and actually insane, during, before and after WWII that there are a ton of places you can put a sympathetic protagonist into their activities in order to tell a decent story. The occult fascination that the Nazi brass had may not have been as significant as fiction has indicated, but it was a thing, and it means that you can have all sorts of out-there stuff in your war stories that lends itself well to a character like Indy.
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The reason Crystal Skull was a crappy movie was because they just kind of crammed a bunch of old Indy scripts together.
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Why not Mussolini?
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Why not Mussolini? Well he made the trains run on time.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Why not Mussolini? Brand recognition.
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Danger Mahoney posted:That's really stupid, tbh. That doesn't meant it's not cool and fun to think about beyond having a dopey expression on one's face whenever something explodes on the screen.
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Jul 21, 2015 02:56
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Trent posted:The monkeys scene in crystal skull was just terrible, mostly because of the visual quality. I don't understand why anyone thinks the fridge scene is any less ridiculous than the raft-out-of-the-plane scene or the giant-propeller-out-of-the-water scene. Survival of Insanely low probability scenarios is pretty much Indy's thing! The shot of Indiana Jones standing before the mushroom cloud is fuckin' sweet.
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Danger Mahoney posted:That's really stupid, tbh. You're a dumb shoot the alien movie.
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BiggerBoat posted:Holy poo poo. Did SMG get a new user name? You're reading an awful lot of probably unintentional subtext into movies about monsters. that's like the point of movies
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:that's like the point of movies That is just really not true. Subtext maybe is the point of some movies, or possibly of good movies, but it is not generally the point of movies
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I've actually seen people who refuse to believe that the Alien Xenomorph is phallic in any way and think that anyone who gets any dick vibes is obviously reading way too much into those movies. The Alien being a rapist dick monster isn't even subtext it's plain text. So much so that they hired professional dick doodler H.R. Geiger to design it. I can understand people being a bit sceptical about the Predator pussy connection but saying that just because it's a dumb monster movie it can't also be smart is pretty dumb. A lot of seemingly dumb movies are pretty drat smart. TheFallenEvincar posted:Why not Mussolini? The Nazis are just a lot better known than their Italian comrades, even if they were into fascism before Nazism became cool. Most people don't even know who Mussolini was and his logo, which is literally a human being, is already everywhere and doesn't have nearly the level of brand recognition that the swastika has..
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Memento posted:One thing that *could* have come out of Crystal Skull that *could* have been cool was if they did something with the stories of Indy's adventures during WWII with the OSS. I mean, sorry to the guy from last page who doesn't like them, but the reason that the Nazis are the bad guys in so many things is that a) they're completely indefensible and are serious, purestrain evil and b) they did so much poo poo that was either or both completely evil and actually insane, during, before and after WWII that there are a ton of places you can put a sympathetic protagonist into their activities in order to tell a decent story. The occult fascination that the Nazi brass had may not have been as significant as fiction has indicated, but it was a thing, and it means that you can have all sorts of out-there stuff in your war stories that lends itself well to a character like Indy. There was that young Indy show in the 90s. I've never seen it though. I don't know if it was any good. I was actually pretty ok with the fridge thing. They had that nice little zoom on the label saying it was lead lined which provides enough cartoon logic for me. Except that they show it being launched hundreds of feet before it comes to a skidding rolling stop.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I've actually seen people who refuse to believe that the Alien Xenomorph is phallic in any way and think that anyone who gets any dick vibes is obviously reading way too much into those movies. The Alien being a rapist dick monster isn't even subtext it's plain text. So much so that they hired professional dick doodler H.R. Geiger to design it. These people have obviously not scene the extended cut of the original, in which the xenomorph stabs a girl in the vag so hard she dies.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I can understand people being a bit sceptical about the Predator pussy connection but saying that just because it's a dumb monster movie it can't also be smart is pretty dumb. A lot of seemingly dumb movies are pretty drat smart. I can give these people the vagina connection, because that'd be a pretty hosed-up vagina. But to handwave the hyper-masculinity as "it's just a dumb action movie yo" is just incredibly dumb.
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Dr_Amazing posted:There was that young Indy show in the 90s. I've never seen it though. I don't know if it was any good.
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Strudel Man posted:Yeah, the problem with the fridge thing isn't the radiation, it's the being smashed into a bloody pulp within a tumbling metal box. You mean like every car crash in every movie ever? Good guys survive, bad guys explode. If you can suspend the cartoon logic of 'lead lined = no rads'...
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Pidmon posted:You mean like every car crash in every movie ever? Good guys survive, bad guys explode. If you can suspend the cartoon logic of 'lead lined = no rads'... Isnt that kind of the point though? If the fridge scene was well done, no-one would question it in the same way that we dont question the hero walking away from car crashes or fighting on with a bullet in the shoulder. That is the essential difference between the fridge scene in crystal skull and the raft scene in temple; the raft scene was shot competently enough, and the movie was engaging enough, that people accepted it, whereas the fridge scene had people I know who arent exactly critical viewers reacting with "isnt that some bullshit?" pretty much as their fb status on leaving the cinema. If a large percentage of viewers can accept one thing but not another, the problem isnt that the audience sucks, its that the film makers didnt do their job well. If the audience were engaged with the movie then they would accept fairly major leaps in logic (both in action and in plot to be fair), if they arent engaged then instead of only thinking of the issues later they see them immediately.
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Pidmon posted:You mean like every car crash in every movie ever? Good guys survive, bad guys explode. If you can suspend the cartoon logic of 'lead lined = no rads'... If I see a man climb out of a car that just fell down the Grand Canyon I might frown a little.
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Grendels Dad posted:If I see a man climb out of a car that just fell down the Grand Canyon I might frown a little. Thelma and Louise had a happy ending in this man's world. On which note: in the last shot of Thelma and Louise you can see the parachute on the car starting to open.
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Dr_Amazing posted:There was that young Indy show in the 90s. I've never seen it though. I don't know if it was any good. I don't remember it being particularly action oriented. It's stuff like him meeting George Gershwin and learning to play the trumpet jazz style. And it's set in the 1900s-20s so it's well before any cool OSS stuff.
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Fil5000 posted:I don't remember it being particularly action oriented. It's stuff like him meeting George Gershwin and learning to play the trumpet jazz style. And it's set in the 1900s-20s so it's well before any cool OSS stuff. I don't know if it was in the TV show but there was a series of books about him doing stuff during the first world War. The only one I remember had him sleeping with Mata Hari.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:I'm taking a stand against Nazis right here right now. I just don't like Nazis, sorry. It's why the History Channel sucks man You won't find any nazis on The History Channel unless they're pawning off whatever crap they got from an abandoned storage unit or hauling goods across America.
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Desk Lamp posted:You won't find any nazis on The History Channel unless they're pawning off whatever crap they got from an abandoned storage unit or hauling goods across America. And who among us would NOT watch that?
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Desk Lamp posted:You won't find any nazis on The History Channel unless they're pawning off whatever crap they got from an abandoned storage unit or hauling goods across America. Exactly this. Discovery and History just went into the shitter the past 5 years or so. I don't care about people spending house down payments on cars from some guy, people selling their total legit item to some pawnbroker in Vegas or digging through old storage lockers to try and find stuff in a totally not staged way at all. Everything is staged fake reality TV reenactments about poo poo we know happens but really don't care about. It amuses me that Discovery started getting called out for their Shark Week BS with its fake documentaries.
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A lot of failed college professors itt (talking about sexy alien movies)
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Nazis are just a lot better known than their Italian comrades, even if they were into fascism before Nazism became cool. Most people don't even know who Mussolini was and his logo, which is literally a human being, is already everywhere and doesn't have nearly the level of brand recognition that the swastika has.. Also the Nazis were actually a threat.
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Bonk posted:I'm nowhere near the only person with that interpretation, and it's pretty much the tamest version of gender/sexuality analysis of Predator you'll find out there. I've read ones that range from 80s AIDS panic to Dutch's latent homosexuality. This is when you know you've spent too much time on the internet.
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Byzantine posted:Also the Nazis were actually a threat.
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Jedit posted:Thelma and Louise had a happy ending in this man's world. They would have lived if they had jumped off that cliff in a fridge.
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Dr_Amazing posted:There was that young Indy show in the 90s. I've never seen it though. I don't know if it was any good. I liked Young Indiana Jones at the time. It was kind of an edutainment produced by Spielberg about a teenager having adventures in history, iirc. Haven't seen all of Indy 4 and don't plan on seeing it any time soon.
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I thought Indy 4 was decent right up until the jungle scene where Shia is swinging from vine to vine like Tarzan and giant killer ants show up.
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The thing that bugged me about the fridge is that once it's closed and the seal is formed not only can you not open it from the inside but you'd also suffocate to death in about 2 minutes.
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Well then it's good that a nuclear blast knocked him a few thousand feet through the air, the jolt can crack the door open and allow the indiana slurry to pour out and get some much needed oxygen-24 or whatever horrible isotope is the worst possible oxygen.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is when you know you've spent too much time on the internet. WhovianSchoolShooter420SNARF came out of the closet to say: You've spent too much time on the internet
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I can't believe people have been discussing the subtext of genitals in Alien/Predator movies. That's the kind of behaviour I expect from the densest posters in the Subtle Movie thread.
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swamp waste posted:WhovianSchoolShooter420SNARF came out of the closet to say: 
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