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It hopped back up to $15.40 in the US. I wonder why it was only $13.07 for a while?
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Jul 20, 2015 14:16
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signalnoise posted:THANKS GERM Yea! Thanks! I'll use your money to buy more resin to make more stupid poo poo for people to buy, perpetuating an endless cycle of consumerism that can only end in total world domination! Moths, those walls look great! Just got back from a 3-day Irishwake for Warhammer Fantasy, so I'll get the stuff packed up and sent off later today.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:53
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Indolent Bastard posted:It hopped back up to $15.40 in the US. I think it has something to do with Amazon's algorithms. They've probably got some crazy AI seeing all the traffic and dropping the price to increase sales. Once the initial buzz wears off, the price goes back up. They might also be able to negotiate a lower price depending on how many pre-orders they are able to pull - when you're dealing in Amazon volume, a publisher is likely to take a bit of a hit if it means more copies in the hands of potential players.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:59
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I got my copy yesterday (thanks whoever posted the bookdepository link) and it looks very swingy to me. I really question the d20 mechanic. A 3d6 would seem much better and bring things closer to expected outcomes. This is not just combat either. The treasure tables in the campaign system just use a straight roll with everything having the same probability. So treasure can be huge or insignificant at the same odds. These sorts of changes would be easy to apply and it seems a bit lazy and not thought through. There also doesn't seem to be any balancing mechanic in the campaign so the runaway leader problem is likely to be there. On the other hand, the book is well put together, and the theme is great. My 12 year old son is dead keen to start building his warband so the nerd gene pool is looking strong.
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Jul 21, 2015 00:44
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Beffer posted:I got my copy yesterday (thanks whoever posted the bookdepository link) and it looks very swingy to me. 
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Jul 21, 2015 01:03
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Beffer posted:So treasure can be huge or insignificant at the same odds. I don't have the book yet (  ) but the odds don't sound like the problem. The problem would be that there are lovely entries on the treasure table at all. Even if its less likely, rolling booby prize really sucks at the end of a hard fight.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:06
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What I'm really hoping is that the game plays fast enough that we could play a four player campaign and just shift around opponents in one evening. A really long campaign with a bunch of people could be cool but the customization of the wizards plus enough games to make some of the out of combat stuff important makes it seem like it could work for a good taste of what the game offers.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:36
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Nebalebadingdong posted:I don't have the book yet ( I might have exaggerated the problem. None of the treasure is junk, but based on the gold coin value, there is a five fold difference in values, with the same probability of receiving the outcome. This is all based on one reading of the rules, and I haven't played the game, so don't write it off yet. On first glance, though, it seems that they could have put more effort into the tables and rolling mechanism than they have. e: spelling
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Jul 21, 2015 03:30
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It sounds like Frostgrave might be best for shortish campaigns of like 6 missions before hard-resetting. And that's fine, really.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:38
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Rulebook Heavily posted:It sounds like Frostgrave might be best for shortish campaigns of like 6 missions before hard-resetting. And that's fine, really. That's about how long I'd last before wanting to try something new out, honestly. Especially if they expand the wizards or (especially) the hirelings.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:40
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I generally dislike single-die systems. Expected averages let you bake some predictability into your core mechanics and still have room for zaniness occurring on the battlefield. Too easy to feel like you just got hosed by the dice when there are less dice and less rolls over the course of a game. I'll reserve judgement of course, just sayin' 
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Jul 21, 2015 07:15
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Got my copy delivered yesterday, gave it a going over once the kids were in bed... and.. ended the night ordering a box set of the plastic soldiers and a couple of wizards, one of my gaming group agreeing to split between us to give it a whirl. My gaming buddies are total magpies. I love it.
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Jul 21, 2015 09:15
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Amazon Germany changed to no stock and delivery time 1 to 2 months. My order still says it'll leave next week, but I'm skeptical. Looks like the cheaper Amazon UK options won't ship to my home and Bookdepo increased the price to nearly 20 Euros. Really hope those Germans pull through, it has already been difficult waiting this long.
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Jul 21, 2015 14:07
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Regarding the swingyness I totally understand it from a narrative position. It's a beer and pretzels game. It's the fantasy tactics equivalent of Dreadball. Also http://www.battletortoise.com/frostgrave/roster.html
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Jul 21, 2015 14:15
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enri posted:ended the night ordering a box set of the plastic soldiers and a couple of wizards The saddest hobby
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Jul 21, 2015 14:16
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signalnoise posted:Regarding the swingyness I totally understand it from a narrative position. It's a beer and pretzels game. It's the fantasy tactics equivalent of Dreadball. Oh my god, now it's time to print up forty different armbands in hopes that I'll actually get to use one!
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Jul 21, 2015 14:39
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The swingyness is a concern, but frankly I am looking at this as a Mordheim replacement so it is not exactly something I'm not used to dealing with. I am also hoping that the improved role of armor and the way wounds work will help cushion it - I still think it is going to be swingy, but may be not as badly as people are fearing. I guess we'll see as people play it out. I'm also hoping that the campaign doesn't have a runaway leader problem. This was particularly an issue in Necromunda because everyone gained experience, so after a few good games it was possible for an entire gang to have advanced and gained solid abilities that made them hard to catch up. With only the Wizard actually advancing, it seems like that will be less of a concern - especially if even losing wizards can make decent progress in the aftermath. The fact that the henchmen don't advance and that the gap between them is pretty small also seems like it will prevent things getting too out of control. In Mordheim it was easy to get power models because gaining a single wound or a single point of Toughness/WS made a big difference - even the best henchmen in Frostgrave are only looking at a +2 difference in stats from the worst, and only +4 in wounds or armor - and they are 5 times the cost. Even if a gang gets ahead and has a bunch of Templar ot Barbarians, they aren't invulnerable to Thugs and can definitely get pulled down on a 2v1 match.
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Jul 21, 2015 14:42
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If advancement means too much, you might be able to cut warband size and magic item allowance. Justify it as wizardly hubris and hoarding all the magic items for themselves. Or just "rebalance" the warband by having the apprentice shank their master and take over.
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Jul 21, 2015 14:45
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signalnoise posted:Regarding the swingyness I totally understand it from a narrative position. It's a beer and pretzels game. It's the fantasy tactics equivalent of Dreadball. They (you?) need to add the costs to the henchmen in the drop down "Barbarian (100 gc)". Otherwise it is great!
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Jul 21, 2015 15:41
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Also, an "export list" would be great (bonus points for another option with BBCode formatting to post here )
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Jul 21, 2015 16:49
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Got my copy, great looking little book. Shocked it was so cheap.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:30
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BioTech posted:Amazon Germany changed to no stock and delivery time 1 to 2 months. My order still says it'll leave next week, but I'm skeptical. Looks like the cheaper Amazon UK options won't ship to my home and Bookdepo increased the price to nearly 20 Euros. Really hope those Germans pull through, it has already been difficult waiting this long. Also still waiting I hope it comes through soon!!In other news: I finally got some disposable income which I spent on 4ground terrain. Can't wait till that comes in - also, in case people missed this: osprey have released the pdf rules.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:38
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Commissar Kip posted:in case people missed this: osprey have released the pdf rules.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:50
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drat you Amazon. My order got pushed from today before 8pm to tomorrow. E: No it actually says September 22... Um what? E2: Well this stinks... Amazon Chat: I have checked and it appears that this item shows that it ships usually within 1 to 2 months. You can confirm this on the website by clicking here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1472805046 That is why we sent out the email letting you know about this I'm sorry for the confusion with the delivery dates on this, this type of things normally don't happen Did anyone else get an "update" on their delivery date? Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 18:53
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The swing in the system is fine to me simply because you're running multiple characters. I PREFER 2d6 or whatever systems in general as a designer, but a d20 being swingy is less frustrating than it would be running an RPG character because at least you're rolling for a bunch of guys and not losing your one action for the next 45 minutes to a bad roll. And it also means you probably want to gang up on people and get into unfair fights and so on, so it still encourages a kind of tactical thinking. And from what I hear of the damage system, the designer has taken into account that dropping someone in one hit shouldn't be a super common thing and is designing around the die properly. Now if only I didn't live on a rock in the middle of the atlantic ocean and could get shipping earlier than two weeks...
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Jul 21, 2015 19:04
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I enjoy how this fan made promo for Frostgrave is as good or better than GW promos and gives you more information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6LC0hICjIQ
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Jul 21, 2015 19:12
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gently caress, q is not e
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Jul 21, 2015 19:16
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Indolent Bastard posted:drat you Amazon. My order got pushed from today before 8pm to tomorrow. No update. Still listed as being delivered between 29 and 30th of July in my order.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:17
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Commissar Kip posted:No update. Still listed as being delivered between 29 and 30th of July in my order. I'm hoping it is a processing error of some type and I will see it sooner than later because 2 months is ludicrous.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:21
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berzerkmonkey posted:Ouch. $20 is a bit much - anyone know if they update the PDF with errata and give a new version to buyers? You can get a mobi version from Amazon for $11.99
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Jul 21, 2015 19:25
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Indolent Bastard posted:I'm hoping it is a processing error of some type and I will see it sooner than later because 2 months is ludicrous. I'm talking to Amazon.de's chat help line as we speak in my terrible German. EDIT: according to the lady of Amazon.de all orders that were made before release will be delivered with a "slight delay" as they are getting stock from the UK - the UK Amazon has a gazillion copies. Everyone who ordered after release is poo poo out of luck, seeing as they sold out and are awaiting Osprey for new copies. Why they don't just also sell Amazon.co.uk's copies is beyond me. Maybe .de and .co.uk are 2 different companies with different stock systems? Commissar Kip fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 19:37
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Instead of my Frostgrave book I got a message from Amazon telling me I had to change my payment type. Apparently they had my old number on file and used that. Why the gently caress it went through when I ordered it a week ago, and why they waited until after the book was supposed to be delivered to tell me, I have no idea. Still says it will be here in two days. I hope it doesn't get bumped to two months.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:44
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:You can get a mobi version from Amazon for $11.99 I know, but mobi's suck for image formatting. I'm getting the hardcover book, so I'm not too concerned about it - I was just wondering since I do like having a PDF version of a rulebook for portability/backup purposes. Indolent Bastard posted:Did anyone else get an "update" on their delivery date?
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Jul 21, 2015 19:46
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berzerkmonkey posted:
July 16. Maybe I missed the first lot and got stuck with the restock date? It's annoying because my original delivery date was today. E: gently caress it, I'll just find a pdf copy "somewhere" and see if the game isn't hot garbage; if it is I'll cancel, if it isn't I get my book in two months. Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 19:56
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Found this on rpg.net, here. All hail LittleRedFox: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?749568-Frostgrave-Osprey-s-Publishing-take-on-Mordheim&p=19199710#post19199710 quote:5-8 Soldiers From
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Jul 21, 2015 20:11
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Mine's out for delivery.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:25
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Commissar Kip posted:I'm talking to Amazon.de's chat help line as we speak in my terrible German. I ordered before release, so this is reassuring. By the way, I am totally stealing your Chtulhu warband idea. I'll probably use robed Goblins as cultists since I'm finishing a Night Goblin warband right now. After that I'll probably touch up the Dwarves I already dug up, then maybe build some Templars using Perry stuff, or a roaming mercenary group with the standard Frostgrave dudes and some Warhammer wizard. If someone in my group really wants to play Elves then I'll probably touch up those as well. On the one hand it sucks to do all the work, but on the other hand I have the stuff laying around anyways and this way there is hardly any barrier for people to join me. I really like using different models, gives each warband character.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:46
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Indolent Bastard posted:I enjoy how this fan made promo for Frostgrave is as good or better than GW promos and gives you more information. To be fair to GW though, that is just some jaggy text super-imposed over the opening for Norn characters in Guild Wars 2.
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I found a suitable reference copy until Amazon unfucks itself. I still wonder if this game will fly or flop.
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