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The Vosgian Beast posted:He should bunk with his mountain climbing buddy, Davis Aurini. All I can imagine is them handing out MRA pamphlets on Halloween instead of candy.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:He should bunk with his mountain climbing buddy, Davis Aurini. Behold peasants, your new masters!!!
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TetsuoTW posted:I figured it was because someone funny said "cuck" once and GBS posters set up ad hoc cargo cults around whatever the last funny thing they read was. im gayku
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Jul 20, 2015 09:31
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Scott proposes, Eliezer follows through, LessWrong comments: Construct an interesting fictional eugenics program! The comments are the usual delight. Konkvistador is the first to say (Add some schoolgirl-rape-victim-bots of course, this is LW after all. "Meh. Rape play is pretty common.")
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Jul 20, 2015 14:59
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divabot posted:Scott proposes, Eliezer follows through, LessWrong comments: Construct an interesting fictional eugenics program! How have none of these people been maced in the face yet?
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Jul 20, 2015 19:59
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This reminds me of the old 'You wake up as Hitler in June of 1942, what do you do?' thing where the LW community immediately saw it as 'how do I win the war' and not 'How do I stop one of the great tragedies of history from doing even more damage' It never occurs to them, in the slightest, that maybe Eugenics is discredited and useless because of ethical reasons or the fact that it is backed by insane scientific racism poo poo; no, it's all 'Well the principle is sound, how do we get the cattle car trains running on time?'
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Night10194 posted:This reminds me of the old 'You wake up as Hitler in June of 1942, what do you do?' thing where the LW community immediately saw it as 'how do I win the war' and not 'How do I stop one of the great tragedies of history from doing even more damage' divabot posted:Oh. And try very hard, if I do lose WW2, to make sure Eugenics is not tainted quite so strongly by association with Nazi Germany.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:22
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Night10194 posted:This reminds me of the old 'You wake up as Hitler in June of 1942, what do you do?' thing It should, that's literally what started the conversation.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:13
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TetsuoTW posted:I figured it was because someone funny said "cuck" once and GBS posters set up ad hoc cargo cults around whatever the last funny thing they read was. I'm pretty sure it's this. Nobody who posts in nu-gbs actually has a sense of humor.
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divabot posted:Scott proposes, Eliezer follows through, LessWrong comments: Construct an interesting fictional eugenics program! Ladies and gentlemen, I give you lesswrong.txt quote:It find it odd that your system assumes an intrusive central government to coordinate eugenics. For myself, any utopia that requires the government to be more intrusive in my life than my current one doesn't get to count as a utopia unless it's got some serious amenities (eg catgirls). Why is it always catgirls with these assholes? Also, I like how searching for "birth control" gets exactly one result, in the context of mandatory birth control/opt-in reproduction, and instead we get a ton of talk about how to make sure that poor people (because why even pretend that the poors aren't genetically inferior, right?) never even have sex. I guess the concept of high birth rates among low-income populations largely being a product of insufficient access to reliable birth control and family planning support, not the proles being screaming Morlocks who demand MORE BAYBEES, is foreign to these guys. (Much like how the concept that a real, effective "eugenics" program focused on ensuring that a more society-positive outcome for each generation would do way better by investments in education and social/health services to help parents and children towards positive outcomes than cultish worship of the PRECIOUS ESSENCES of the rich, but y'know.)
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Jul 21, 2015 07:28
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Antivehicular posted:Why is it always catgirls with these assholes? They like the idea of thinking of women as animals subservient to them, I imagine. Also, anime.
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Antivehicular posted:Ladies and gentlemen, I give you lesswrong.txt quote:Also, I like how searching for "birth control" gets exactly one result, in the context of mandatory birth control/opt-in reproduction, and instead we get a ton of talk about how to make sure that poor people (because why even pretend that the poors aren't genetically inferior, right?) never even have sex. I guess the concept of high birth rates among low-income populations largely being a product of insufficient access to reliable birth control and family planning support, not the proles being screaming Morlocks who demand MORE BAYBEES, is foreign to these guys. (Much like how the concept that a real, effective "eugenics" program focused on ensuring that a more society-positive outcome for each generation would do way better by investments in education and social/health services to help parents and children towards positive outcomes than cultish worship of the PRECIOUS ESSENCES of the rich, but y'know.)
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Antivehicular posted:Why is it always catgirls with these assholes? The answer is always "anime". I didn't really understand the "I simulate you simulating me simulating you ..." bit of Timeless Decision Theory as applied to Roko's Basilisk until I read Death Note, and Light and L ... simulate each other simulating each other. Oh, how I laughed. Even with neoreaction, the answer is "anime". Deleted text from the RationalWiki article: SJW Beta Mangina Shitlib Wiki posted:Technologically advanced yet aristocratic factions fighting against corrupt, bloated democracies is an incredibly popular trope in Japanese sci-fi anime, ''c.f.'' the antagonists of most ''Gundam'' shows (particularly ''F91'''s Cosmo Babylonia or the Rommefeller Foundation from ''Wing''), or the more sympathetically portrayed Empire in ''Legend of the Galactic Heroes''. Given the average age and nerdiness of the typical neoreactionary blogger, many of them would have seen the US broadcast of ''Gundam Wing'' (a series infamous for its characters' love of absurd speechifying) during their formative years. Given the neoreactionaries' typical dislike of non-whites and utter horror of non-Western cultures influencing their own, that they're wannabe anime villains is hilarious. Good old James A. Donald writes a suitably neoreactionary smackdown of this indulgent nonsense. It's such a pity for his point that his third paragraph starts "In the course of watching more anime that I should ..." Googling "neoreaction anime" is a rich seam of comedy pyrites.
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divabot posted:Scott proposes, Eliezer follows through, LessWrong comments: Construct an interesting fictional eugenics program! You're new on the scene but you've really done admirably in the 'find quotes of horrible poo poo' field (pioneered by ...!) I salute your nonshit posting
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:You're new on the scene but you've really done admirably in the 'find quotes of horrible poo poo' field (pioneered by ...!) Why thank you! I hung out on LessWrong for four years, which is longer than many, and I read the Sequences two or three times and the entirety of LW Main 2007-2012 once. This is because it was entertaining as Internet television. I would not recommend it to others for this purpose unless you are me. I started because a friend was considering signing up for cryonics, which I was actually neutral-to-positive on until I looked further into it and went "what is this BS." I suppose the attraction of LW was a rich seam of people being wrong on the Internet in new and creative ways. So having done my cultural studies and suffered for my art, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN. I got to hate neoreaction because gently caress Silicon Valley libertarians, and in particular gently caress the ones on LessWrong. Quite a bit of the stuff I'm posting of late is because I'm actually rereading the LW Mock Thread and finding new old horror or links to new old horror. That thread is a delight and anyone reading through this thread needs to read that one. (I now know all I will ever need to about "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Optimal" without ever having to read the actual thing.) If we ever get another LW Mock Thread (though with even Yudkowsky largely not bothering any more, only the most dedicated cultists remain), I'll read up on its predecessor, the SL4 list, before Yudkowsky learnt to moderate himself. A lot of the LW regulars were from there, and a lot of the people disparaged on LW pooh-poohed Yudkowsky's great ideas there first. Not a lot of proto-neoreaction there as far as I know, certainly no Yarvin. divabot has a new favorite as of 14:24 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Night10194 posted:This reminds me of the old 'You wake up as Hitler in June of 1942, what do you do?' thing where the LW community immediately saw it as 'how do I win the war' and not 'How do I stop one of the great tragedies of history from doing even more damage' I'm honestly not sure how you could make WWII less tragic, especially if you take the view that letting the Soviets have free reign of Europe is a bad thing but one way to do that would be give Frederic Porsche free reign. 
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Klaus88 posted:I'm honestly not sure how you could make WWII less tragic, especially if you take the view that letting the Soviets have free reign of Europe is a bad thing but one way to do that would be give Frederic Porsche free reign. How about stopping the Holocaust which was still ongoing at that point. Seems like a no brainer.
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Historical events for June 1942 7th - Germany Armys march into Sebastopol 9th - Nazis kill all inhabitants of Lidice, which had been implicated in the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, the Nazi controller of Bohemia and Moravia, and Hitler’s order was given to “teach the Czechs a final lesson of subservience and humility”. 12th - Hitler orders enslavement of Slavic peoples 14th - Walt Disney's animated movie "Bambi", based on the book by Felix Salten, is released 20th - Adolf Eichmann proclaims deportation of Dutch Jews 20th - German troops conquer Tobruk, North Africa 26th - German assault on British at Mersa Matruh All of these things could have potentially been stopped, and that's just June
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Antivehicular posted:Also, I like how searching for "birth control" gets exactly one result, in the context of mandatory birth control/opt-in reproduction, and instead we get a ton of talk about how to make sure that poor people (because why even pretend that the poors aren't genetically inferior, right?) never even have sex. I guess the concept of high birth rates among low-income populations largely being a product of insufficient access to reliable birth control and family planning support, not the proles being screaming Morlocks who demand MORE BAYBEES, is foreign to these guys. (Much like how the concept that a real, effective "eugenics" program focused on ensuring that a more society-positive outcome for each generation would do way better by investments in education and social/health services to help parents and children towards positive outcomes than cultish worship of the PRECIOUS ESSENCES of the rich, but y'know.)
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divabot posted:Good old James A. Donald writes a suitably neoreactionary smackdown of this indulgent nonsense. It's such a pity for his point that his third paragraph starts "In the course of watching more anime that I should ..." Whenever people talk about "masculinity" I want to ask, "what (sub)culture's idea of masculinity? When?"
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Woolie Wool posted:Whenever people talk about "masculinity" I want to ask, "what (sub)culture's idea of masculinity? When?"
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Woolie Wool posted:Whenever people talk about "masculinity" I want to ask, "what (sub)culture's idea of masculinity? When?" Let's all have that long discussion where they try to pretend that the Ancient Greeks weren't even remotely gay. On that note: I once saw a NRX argue, in all seriousness, that trans people were bad because Heliogabalus was a poor emperor. You know. Democratically elected leader, Heliogabalus.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:He should bunk with his mountain climbing buddy, Davis Aurini. Oof
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Cingulate posted:Okay, but why do you want an inane explanation regarding inborn sex/gender roles? What I have noticed, is that these people can speak very authoritatively and sound like they really know what they are talking about, ie that they are experts, at least when they are talking about something that you don't know as much about in the first place. However, when they start to talk about something that you yourself are versed in, it becomes painfully obvious that they have no idea what they are talking about. I actually kind of admire this skill because as long as you are talking to generally uninformed people you come off as an expert. I think it's known as "being full of poo poo"
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Gum posted:Historical events for June 1942 It's actually a really interesting question because there isn't an easy solution because of the limitations of your role. How far can you go and how in reducing the horror of Nazi Germany and the Second World War before your hideous, backstabbing underlings go 'screw it, need a new Fuhrer, this one's broken'? Mind you, if you could find a way to quickly and quietly assassinate Himmler to start with, that'd probably give you a good lead before everyone else starts giving you trouble.
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Terrible Opinions posted:To be fair another reason for poor people having more children than middle class and rich people are the positive economic incentives for richer people to either not have kids at all or have them later in life. When the only career you have stand to lose from having kids is minimum wage anyways it's a lot easier to see havi kids as worthwhile. Though once again the reoreactionaries never once address the idea that maybe it's societies fault that there is poverty, not some inherent immorality on the part of the poor. Well, sure; I'm obviously being a bit simplistic, and I will admit that the only idea of theirs that makes much of any sense is "ameliorate economic costs of childbearing for the middle- and upper-middle class." (Obviously, ameliorating economic costs of childbearing for everyone should be a larger priority, and it's less for eugenic reasons and more that a society that's completely hosed over people's ability to have families is in deep poo poo.) I just love that they don't even think "hmmm. Maybe instead of video-game monasteries or robot families, we could give poor people better access to reliable birth control?" I know their next thought would have been "nah, those fuckin' trogs'll just rip out their IUDs so they can spermjack harder," because ultimately the concept that poor people can make good reproductive decisions given the tools is foreign to them, but it's still kind of amazing that people who pride themselves on their rationality never even loving considered a lower-cost, already extant and effective option.
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Darth Walrus posted:It's actually a really interesting question because there isn't an easy solution because of the limitations of your role. How far can you go and how in reducing the horror of Nazi Germany and the Second World War before your hideous, backstabbing underlings go 'screw it, need a new Fuhrer, this one's broken'? It'd make a decent SF novel, I suppose.
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divabot posted:These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!! loving Hanson. He is a genuine professor of economics at GMU (thankfully not an Austrian, he politely considers them incoherent) and guess what he does? Make his students do assignments to establish appropriate legal "remedy or damages for cuckold". I don't want to slip into psychoanalysis or relationship analysis over the Internet, but by Gnon the temptation is overwhelming.
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Darth Walrus posted:It's actually a really interesting question because there isn't an easy solution because of the limitations of your role. How far can you go and how in reducing the horror of Nazi Germany and the Second World War before your hideous, backstabbing underlings go 'screw it, need a new Fuhrer, this one's broken'? It's why it's an interesting hypothetical; Hitler is the one on whom all blame ended up being cast but the Nazi system was enormous and many, many people were complicit, so the question of how much a Hitler who suddenly changed objectives (due to time travel or the GREAT RACE OF YITH stealing his mind or whatever) could actually do to stop it is a good way to explore the wider abuses of the system instead of the simple idea that it was one really evil fucker that did everything (which is not to say Hitler wasn't incredibly complicit in his crimes, just that the net is wider than one rear end in a top hat with a sill mustache). It would be a good vehicle for exploring the general failings of the Great Man theory of history by examining how much influence even the ostensibly most powerful individual could have against the inertia of what had already been set in motion and built support structures. But to LW, the point is obviously to use delicious, magical science to build DER FLIEDERTIGER so it won't get stuck in the Russian mud or make a moon base.
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Cingulate posted:Okay, but why do you want an inane explanation regarding inborn sex/gender roles? The whole point of such a question is to short-circuit such an appeal by pointing out that masculinity is defined by culture and time.
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Woolie Wool posted:The whole point of such a question is to short-circuit such an appeal by pointing out that masculinity is defined by culture and time. They refuse to believe this, because any evidence to the contrary is just part of the Cathedral's stranglehold on academia.
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Woolie Wool posted:The whole point of such a question is to short-circuit such an appeal by pointing out that masculinity is defined by culture and time.
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Woolie Wool posted:The whole point of such a question is to short-circuit such an appeal by pointing out that masculinity is defined by culture and time. Boy ain't it ever... 
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I assume at least half of the "Dark Enlightenment" sphere is absolutely in love with Trump?
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Cingulate posted:I assume at least half of the "Dark Enlightenment" sphere is absolutely in love with Trump? I doubt it, he's a modern idiot instead of an old dead idiot. They probably think criticism of him is representative of something evil though, similar to criticism of distinguished ethical scholar Phil "Duck Commander" Robertson
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The SSC comments policy of encouraging the best people ever continues to reward!A neoreactionary Effective Altruist, apparently posted:tl;dr: I find both effective altruism and neoreaction interesting, and I’m wondering if anyone else feels the same way. I explain why I don’t think EA and NRx are necessarily mutually exclusive, although in practice they are. Genocide and slavery were ultimately good because of all the utilons modern white people, of which there are so many more, have gained from them! When this impeccable logic is questioned, he doubles and triples down, because he's really fond of this idea. I wonder what gems he'd come out with if he was a neoreactionary. The Vosgian Beast posted:They probably think criticism of him is representative of something evil though, similar to criticism of distinguished ethical scholar Phil "Duck Commander" Robertson He wasn't delighting his fans with torture porn about atheists, in the completely standard style of the genre! No, he was doing moral philosophy. And you must be the real torturepornist for thinking otherwise. There's principle of charity (I refuse to call it "steelmanning") and then there's being a loving twat. divabot has a new favorite as of 23:10 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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It's got to kind of suck to commit yourself to defending every person criticized on a left-wing basis ever.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:It's got to kind of suck to commit yourself to defending every person criticized on a left-wing basis ever. Someone worked out you could torture eight neoreactionaries forever for every dollar donated, so Scott is now living in a simulation run by ... Roko's Femilisk. (The final boss for Gamergate.)
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This is what Clarkhat and Anarcho-Papist think the future will be like.
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