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Shimrra Jamaane posted:That's actually pretty cool but I'm sure Steam won't work on 98. And even if I don't use Steam would 98 even be able to use drivers for a 2005ish video card like a GeForce 7800gtx? I don't have any old AGP cards and I'd rather not have to buy a new (old) motherboard and CPU anyway. Who cares that you can't use Steam? You already do own the games legally. Yes, you will have drivers for that card: get the ForceWare 77.72 drivers from here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1109 Essentially this will all be way easier to secure/less dangerous than XP, and as a bonus it'll run most DOS stuff natively too. What's the rest of the parts you have? I can give you a rundown on how they'll work.
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Turns out its actually an 8800gtx video card. Anyway I appreciate that you're trying to help but I'd really rather just use XP unless I''ll literally get a virus the moment I so much as connect to the internet one single time.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Turns out its actually an 8800gtx video card. You actually will if you don't patch first. Blaster worm yay!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm looking to play games from the early 2000s. Right in the early XP era that wouldn't work with Windows 98. I really want to get Kotor 1 and 2 running because it is a total bitch to try and get those games to run on Windows 7 with any kind of consistency. Just take a look at the Steam forums for the game and you'll see nothing seems to work right. What kind of issues are you having? I've played both KOTOR1+2 on 64bit Windows 8.1 with zero issue, all I did was apply a patch for proper widescreen.
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Medullah posted:You actually will if you don't patch first. Blaster worm yay! Well I'd be using a Service Park 3 installation disk 37th Chamber posted:What kind of issues are you having? I've played both KOTOR1+2 on 64bit Windows 8.1 with zero issue, all I did was apply a patch for proper widescreen. Crashes on startup, character creation, cut scenes, the whole nine yards.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:but I'd really rather just use XP unless I''ll literally get a virus the moment I so much as connect to the internet one single time. If you're dead set on running an xp machine, I would strongly recommend to never hook it up to a network connection (at least a non isolated network at any rate.) If you need something transferred to it should should get a thumb drive and do it that way.
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Alright you guys have convinced me. An XP machine is a stupid idea. But I still want to throw together a spare machine from all these other parts. So I guess I can either go with Windows 98 or maybe try Windows 7 32bit? Would 32bit work better with compatibility with older games or would it not make a difference compared to 64 bit?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Alright you guys have convinced me. An XP machine is a stupid idea. There are a significant number of games that work better in 32 bit Windows 7 than in 64 bit, even a decent amount of DOS games will. But honestly for really old games that cause problems, 98 SE is safer than XP and will run more things than 32 bit 7.
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I'm young enough that "really old games" for me means stuff from the early 2000s  For compatibility with older games would it matter if I throw in a dual core or a quad core CPU? I have one of both in the same lga775 socket (a q6600 quad and an e8600 duo) so whichever would work better with older stuff is perfect for me. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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I need to get a new employee some training on Excel - does anyone have any recommendations for books / online courses that will cover basic and intermediate excel features for general office use for a relative beginner?
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Jul 20, 2015 22:50
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Warlords III requires Windows XP to play, and preferably Windows 98. The Windows XP mode in Windows 7 doesn't work, even.
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My company has a problem with people accidentally dragging and dropping project folders into other folders. Everyone needs full modify permissions on the entire project directory, though. So I had the idea of creating a dummy file in the base directory that has all permissions denied (to everyone but admins). Is this a really bad idea?
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This is going to be another stupid question. I know 32bit systems recognize a max of 4gb of memory with 3.5 of it useable. That's all super. But does video ram from a dedicated GPU count against that cap or is it entirely separate?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is going to be another stupid question. I know 32bit systems recognize a max of 4gb of memory with 3.5 of it useable. That's all super. But does video ram from a dedicated GPU count against that cap or is it entirely separate? Separate.
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Papercut posted:My company has a problem with people accidentally dragging and dropping project folders into other folders. Everyone needs full modify permissions on the entire project directory, though. So I had the idea of creating a dummy file in the base directory that has all permissions denied (to everyone but admins). Is this a really bad idea? Wouldn't that just let people move everything in the folder except for that one file?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is going to be another stupid question. I know 32bit systems recognize a max of 4gb of memory with 3.5 of it useable. That's all super. But does video ram from a dedicated GPU count against that cap or is it entirely separate? Read posted:Separate. I can't find a great summary, but this isn't always true. Vista and newer handle this consistently better than 32 bit XP, and games that use DX7, 8, and 9 are most likely to need to have VRAM mapped into normal system RAM. Here's somebody's effortpost about this And here's a Microsoft KB talking about how the new Windows driver model in Vista fixes this problem. If you're looking at building some type of vintage machine running XP or older, I'd really want 1GB or less VRAM. If you're just doing general computing on a modern machine, it won't matter either way. There's just one sticky spot of games that use DirectX pre-10 on 32 bit XP. Long story short: Friends don't let friends run Windows XP in 2015. Edit: Things got even better with Windows 7: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-graphics-ram-desktop-memory,7644.html I had no idea it was this bad, actually. 4GB GPUs on 32-bit XP or Vista might be outright dicey, I've never tried it. Tom's Hardware posted:The DWM (desktop window manager) is responsible for drawing the desktop with the GPU, which obviously requires the application window data in video memory. The same application window data is duplicated again in system RAM for the CPU to render independent of graphics hardware. This was inefficient obviously because of data redundancy. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Huh, good to know. Since I'll only be running games that are over 10ish years old they won't need much so I should be fine with what remains of 4gb of RAM and 768mb of VRAM after whatever voodoo the OS does to it.
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Interesting, I had no idea. I was going to add on a disclaimer that while I thought it was separate I wasn't 100% sure, but I thought that was really unlikely. e: After reading the first post you linked it's actually pretty obvious, not sure why I didn't think of that. You have to address the VRAM. Read fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Do we still uninstall video card drivers before installing updated ones or is it good enough to directly install the new ones? Radeon 290 on Win8.1 for what it's worth.
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Josh Lyman posted:Do we still uninstall video card drivers before installing updated ones or is it good enough to directly install the new ones? Radeon 290 on Win8.1 for what it's worth. Ideally you'd uninstall the drivers. When asked to reboot you'd shutdown instead. Swap the cards, then boot back up. The driver itself won't cause a problem, but all of the bundled control center stuff might be an issue. I have given, now I must take. I recently picked up a Surface 3 and I'm loving it, but need to join a domain. From what I've read, the cost to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro will be $99, just as it is now for 8.1. I'm finding that there are a lot of Windows 8 Pro Packs floating around fairly cheaply, and I'm trying to figure out if I can use a Windows 8 Pro Pack on my Windows 8.1 install to upgrade to Windows 8.1 Pro. My thinking is that since Windows 8.1 was a free upgrade from Windows 8 that this should work logically, but I realize the keys may not be compatible. Thanks for your help.
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Inspector_666 posted:Wouldn't that just let people move everything in the folder except for that one file? A quick test seemed like it stopped the whole move. Maybe only because the file was first alphabetically in the directory.
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SynMoo posted:Ideally you'd uninstall the drivers. When asked to reboot you'd shutdown instead. Swap the cards, then boot back up. The driver itself won't cause a problem, but all of the bundled control center stuff might be an issue. I don't think changing cards was mentioned, just updating to a newer driver for a given card. That being said, I have no idea what the recommended procedure is.
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SynMoo posted:Ideally you'd uninstall the drivers. When asked to reboot you'd shutdown instead. Swap the cards, then boot back up. The driver itself won't cause a problem, but all of the bundled control center stuff might be an issue. I don't think they intend on getting a new card. They're just updating drivers.
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SynMoo posted:Ideally you'd uninstall the drivers. When asked to reboot you'd shutdown instead. Swap the cards, then boot back up. The driver itself won't cause a problem, but all of the bundled control center stuff might be an issue. I think they were just asking about driver updates, in which case Radeon's new update installer allows for restartless upgrades. Edit: I say 'new' it's been that way for like 2 years.
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SynMoo posted:
I used a windows 8 pro key to upgrade my 8.1 laptop to pro. Worked fine for me.
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Thegrul posted:I used a windows 8 pro key to upgrade my 8.1 laptop to pro. Worked fine for me. Great, thank you!
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One of the games I was going through all the trouble of building an older machine for just received its first official update in 11 years that fixes it for modern computers. lol
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Yup saw that headline and thought of this conversation.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:One of the games I was going through all the trouble of building an older machine for just received its first official update in 11 years that fixes it for modern computers. What game is this? I love seeing ancient games get patches.
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Twerk from Home posted:What game is this? I love seeing ancient games get patches. Knights of the Old Republic 2.
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Josh Lyman posted:Do we still uninstall video card drivers before installing updated ones or is it good enough to directly install the new ones? Radeon 290 on Win8.1 for what it's worth. I just install my drivers over the top, I don't bother uninstalling.
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Is Sourceforge safe to download from again? Weren't they going through some poo poo before where new owners were packaging malware with installers and such? My qBittorent is bugging me to update, but the built-in auto-updater takes me to sourceforge....
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Is Sourceforge safe to download from again? Weren't they going through some poo poo before where new owners were packaging malware with installers and such? My qBittorent is bugging me to update, but the built-in auto-updater takes me to sourceforge.... You could also always build qBitTorrent from source, just checkout the release you want and build it: https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent
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Twerk from Home posted:You could also always build qBitTorrent from source, just checkout the release you want and build it: https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent I really don't want to do that.
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Wasn't SourceForge only loving with 'abandoned' projects and leaving actively maintained ones alone? Or were they also injecting into active projects?
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Tesseraction posted:Wasn't SourceForge only loving with 'abandoned' projects and leaving actively maintained ones alone? Or were they also injecting into active projects? I think the problem was the quotes for "abandoned" - from the little I read on it, not all the projects actually were abandoned.
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Is Sourceforge safe to download from again? Weren't they going through some poo poo before where new owners were packaging malware with installers and such? My qBittorent is bugging me to update, but the built-in auto-updater takes me to sourceforge.... Perhaps you could update through Ninite?
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Tesseraction posted:Wasn't SourceForge only loving with 'abandoned' projects and leaving actively maintained ones alone? Or were they also injecting into active projects? Their standards for "abandoned" could be as loose as 1 month without a code update.
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Earl of Lavender posted:Perhaps you could update through Ninite? Totally forgot ninite could also update things. Thanks! I'm still curious about sourceforge, though.
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Totally forgot ninite could also update things. Thanks! Looks like it might not be a concern unless whoever owns the project opts in now.
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