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quote:One of the few? You mean literally all of them? That's Two Face's thing outside of when they just have him show up to be a random baddie in like a villain team up or something. Any Two Face centric stories focus on how tragic it is that the world lost the heroic Harvey Dent to the monstrous Two-Face. It's in The Dark Knight Returns, it's in The Dark Knight (movie), it's in this very game Arkham Origins. He's up there with Freeze for that. Not sure I agree. In the animated series, he had a very strong origin story and one good episode where Batman switched his coin with a trick coin that always landed on edge so he'd have to make a decision on his own. The latter showed hope that he could be redeemed, but they never followed up, and every other time he's seen he's just a standard crime boss with a coin fetish. quote:E: All Star Batman is loving amazing and I really hope Miller can finish it some day. Batman calling Robin a retard and loving Black Canary in the middle of the docks, where the corpses of all the thugs they just murdered are strewn about...man... Well now I have to post this: 
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The story where Two Face "outs" Renee Montoya in Gotham Central really shook me up when I read it. Rucka and Brubaker did amazing work with the character.
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Jul 21, 2015 08:58
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Jurgan posted:Well now I have to post this: Frank Miller is a loving lunatic, and I'd much rather have him writing stuff like All Star Batman, where his powers of being pants on head nuts can be used for entertainment than stuff like Holy Terror! where they are used for racism.
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Jul 21, 2015 09:30
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The "Jim" just makes me imagine this is an in-world open letter to commissioner Gordon edit: Batman: Arkham Knight - (Joker) Balloons from above.
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Jul 21, 2015 09:38
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Man, the conversation that Batman has with Catwoman when you beat the riddler is just 
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also I'd really recommend Batman Confidential #49, except it's pretty annoying to find. It's a single issue story about what goes through Batman's head while he's investigating a relatively ordinary crime. It totally nails the detective aspect of the character in a way that very few other stories do, and looks great while doing it.
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Jul 21, 2015 14:32
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evilmiera posted:Always blame WB, always. Rocksteady don't want to release a bad port that reflects on their image, WB didn't give a poo poo until Steam Refunds came along. The main problem was hiring another studio to do the porting and not giving them either the resources or time to handle it, not to mention they had no real experience with games of this quality. It's worth pointing out that part of the problem results from the fact that it took Rocksteady WAAAAYYYYY longer to get the game finished and done than it should have, they apparently wrestled with the game a LOT to get it to run. They're still a great studio, but that doesn't mean they made 0 missteps.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:19
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Narcissus1916 posted:The story where Two Face "outs" Renee Montoya in Gotham Central really shook me up when I read it. Rucka and Brubaker did amazing work with the character. Gotham Central was my first exposure to Batman comics and it made me think of him as a massive prick. He turns up, growls a bit then flies off until he can take credit for taking down a super villain.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:27
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theflyingorc posted:It's worth pointing out that part of the problem results from the fact that it took Rocksteady WAAAAYYYYY longer to get the game finished and done than it should have, they apparently wrestled with the game a LOT to get it to run. They're still a great studio, but that doesn't mean they made 0 missteps. Yeah supposedly they had a lot of trouble with the PS4 as the lead platform. Can any of the ubisoft woes be traced back to that as well? I'd like to blame Sony, at least a little.
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Jul 21, 2015 18:55
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Dogen posted:Yeah supposedly they had a lot of trouble with the PS4 as the lead platform. Can any of the ubisoft woes be traced back to that as well? I'd like to blame Sony, at least a little. ... What? No, the story is not that they had trouble with the PS4 but that they had trouble with the actual development of an open world game of that size. Apparently all versions of the game were running poorly for a long time which is why they rarely showed off the open world gameplay. It has nothing to do with Sony (or Microsoft!) That's some bizarre console warrior bullshit right there. Unity's problem is straight-up that they rushed it out in a blatantly unfinished state. It is again not any console/PC's fault, it is a bad publisher.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:00
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On the topic of good Batman stories, apparently Batman: Black and White is really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKPLopZt6b4
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Jul 21, 2015 19:05
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Dogen posted:Yeah supposedly they had a lot of trouble with the PS4 as the lead platform. Can any of the ubisoft woes be traced back to that as well? I'd like to blame Sony, at least a little. Engine wise, Unity had intense requirements, though that was at least understandable given the crowds in the game. There was a day 0 patch that fixed a lot if glitches (though a lot of people didn't apply it before getting the pics of the game glitch in like crazy) It was seemingly plagued by some really bad net code that would induce occasional stuttering. It seemed to be tied into the data reporting back to the Initiates website. Running the game in offline mode greatly enhanced the performance, and they eventually patched the aspect out The other thing that pissed people off was the unlockable stuff that was tied in with the Companion App and Initiates, since there was trouble synchronizing with the game together, and eventually that was bad basically nixed and unlocked in game. Aside from that people had some issues with the combat system changes and stealth system changes, and sheer # of treasure chests.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:14
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So seriously, does the batmobile just always handle like a weeble and I just have to get used to it? The chases involving the APCs are frustrating when you have to have the front of the car perfectly in line for a good amount of time. I also just don't get the collisions. Some poo poo I can just ram right through - cars, poo poo on the sidewalk, even pillars sometimes don't stop you at all. Then you hit a railing or something and you stop dead. It just is inconsistent is all.Jurgan posted:Not sure I agree. In the animated series, he had a very strong origin story and one good episode where Batman switched his coin with a trick coin that always landed on edge so he'd have to make a decision on his own. The latter showed hope that he could be redeemed, but they never followed up, and every other time he's seen he's just a standard crime boss with a coin fetish. The Animated Series two-face did the character very well, but the animated series did a lot of characters well. I of course am talking about the original one that ended in 95, as I never bothered with any of the spinoffs.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:39
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ImpAtom posted:... What? Yes, I'm clearly super hardcore about my console warriorism, given my uncertainty over the facts and half assed desire to place a small amount of blame elsewhere. Also I have a PS4 because I like to look at it every day during five minutes' hate.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:40
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Dogen posted:Yes, I'm clearly super hardcore about my console warriorism, given my uncertainty over the facts and half assed desire to place a small amount of blame elsewhere. Also I have a PS4 because I like to look at it every day during five minutes' hate. It's really sort of weird to want to blame Sony, yes. v  vJetsGuy posted:So seriously, does the batmobile just always handle like a weeble and I just have to get used to it? The chases involving the APCs are frustrating when you have to have the front of the car perfectly in line for a good amount of time. I also just don't get the collisions. Some poo poo I can just ram right through - cars, poo poo on the sidewalk, even pillars sometimes don't stop you at all. Then you hit a railing or something and you stop dead. It just is inconsistent is all. Try transforming into tank mode if you need to turn quickly. It actually works really well as weird as it sounds.
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Jul 21, 2015 19:42
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JetsGuy posted:So seriously, does the batmobile just always handle like a weeble and I just have to get used to it? The chases involving the APCs are frustrating when you have to have the front of the car perfectly in line for a good amount of time. I also just don't get the collisions. Some poo poo I can just ram right through - cars, poo poo on the sidewalk, even pillars sometimes don't stop you at all. Then you hit a railing or something and you stop dead. It just is inconsistent is all. Definitely get friendly with the power slide button, it's your cornering buddy. Yeah, switching to tank for a hot second to swing far enough around (and to come to a quick stop) is also a good tip. Be sure to upgrade your Batmobile stuff as soon as you can, btw. You're gonna need it, and you'll use it all much much much more often than combat upgrades, for example. Sliding/smash-dodging into the APC escorts is a good way to get rid of them quicker, too. Don't be afraid to go down other alleys/roads if you're sure you're not going to make a hard turn. You'll come to look fondly on the APC chases as they're a whole bunch more fun than the whack-a-tank fights that the game will never stop throwing your way. Seriously, I could go for a whole extra batch of chases over the tedium of slide-shoot-slide-shoot-slide-shoot-slide-shoot-slide-shoot-slide-shoot-slide-shoot-. One of those is much more Batmanny than the other. redbackground fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 19:48
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Narcissus1916 posted:Gotham Central is a book exclusively about being a cop in Gotham, and is absolutely worth your time. Is this the one where Gordon is in the hospital and Alfred and Batman are both thereand Alfred gets to land a sick burn?
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Jul 21, 2015 20:10
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10 Beers posted:Is this the one where Gordon is in the hospital and Alfred and Batman are both thereand Alfred gets to land a sick burn? I don't know if that's the comic it came from but I think these are the panels you're referring to.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:18
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Hav posted:Thanks for the explanation. At the risk of creating a war, can anyone recommend Batman graphic novels _beyond_ Year One, Dark Knight Returns and Killing joke? I have more money to spend on comics now. I really like Knightfall. I love Aparo's art, and it's just a good story. KnightQuest and KnightsEnd are good too, but the art not being great takes away from them.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:21
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dscruffy1 posted:I don't know if that's the comic it came from but I think these are the panels you're referring to. They are! Never fails to make me crack a smile.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:21
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dscruffy1 posted:I don't know if that's the comic it came from but I think these are the panels you're referring to. SonicRulez posted:Fun Fact: I thought they just made up random names for the islands in this game, but Miagani is name dropped here in the New 52. redbackground fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 20:25
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ImpAtom posted:Try transforming into tank mode if you need to turn quickly. It actually works really well as weird as it sounds. redbackground posted:You'll learn through enough trial and error what kind of environments the Batmobile will be able to plow through. Side-of road/bridge larger railings are generally no-gos. Cars, signs, trees, and pillars of I think every thickness can all be rammed through. Take some time to find a quiet area and start blasting things with your cannon. You'll see quickly what kind of objects disintegrate. thanks y'all. I may be less frustrated if the APCs couldn't take 90 degree turns on a dime and you have to obey physics. I realize that's video game chases in a nutshell usually... Chasing Firefly was a whole lot easier than the APCs for me, probably because you don't have to be aimed super specifically. Also like all Arkham games, I'm having much more fun flying around doing sidequest poo poo than the story. That said gently caress off Riddler and your overachiever nonsense. I chased down every trophy/riddle in Arkham City and Asylum, but this is too much. I'm too old for this poo poo. EDIT: Yes, I realize that there's far less than there were in city. It's always been too much I just don't have the energy anymore. JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 20:28
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JetsGuy posted:Also like all Arkham games, I'm having much more fun flying around doing sidequest poo poo than the story. That said gently caress off Riddler and your overachiever nonsense. I chased down every trophy/riddle in Arkham City and Asylum, but this is too much. I'm too old for this poo poo. Honestly, skip it. The boss fight is nothing more than a fight where you beat up on robots with catwoman and then maybe he might shoot a laser at you, but that is it. I would just youtube it and the conversation he has with Catwoman because that was the best part about that whole thing aside from punching the Riddler in his stupid face. Although, I do like how smug he is even when you capture him. "I would have gotten here in half the time!" when you take him back to GCPD.
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Jul 21, 2015 20:36
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blackguy32 posted:Honestly, skip it. The boss fight is nothing more than a fight where you beat up on robots with catwoman and then maybe he might shoot a laser at you, but that is it. I would just youtube it and the conversation he has with Catwoman because that was the best part about that whole thing aside from punching the Riddler in his stupid face. Yeah I was already thinking of just looking up the "full" story-ending as it is. Arkham City when you found him you had to do this stupid maze where rigged up a bunch of GCPD officers to bombs and they had to keep walking or they'd explode. So you have to transverse this maze with GCPD guys walking trying to blow you up. When you get to Riddler, you just do one of those through the ground takedowns. Then you rig him up in one of those things and leave him with the GCPD he tied up. It's the reasonable reaction after having done 400 riddler trophies. Fun fact too - you didn't need all 440 in AC, the Catwoman ones counted towards the 400. I realize it's the thing for these games now, but it would be doable and reasonable if it were just 100 trophies. Even if they were all tricky, the devs need to stop with this poo poo.
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JetsGuy posted:thanks y'all. I may be less frustrated if the APCs couldn't take 90 degree turns on a dime and you have to obey physics. I realize that's video game chases in a nutshell usually... That's funny - I had the opposite problem. Firefly gave me much more trouble because he would change levels a lot on that one island, could turn on a dime, is a lot smaller, and has an indicator which is easier to lose track of. In comparison I found the APCs a lot easier and took most of them out fairly quickly. Also re: Riddler Trophies: I really wish the ones that require you to trip a switch elsewhere and race to them would point you back to the switch if you failed. I don't have the greatest sense of direction in fictional video game cities, so if I can't always successfully backtrack the windy route I just drove. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 20:54
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Hulk Krogan posted:That's funny - I had the opposite problem. Firefly gave me much more trouble because he would change levels a lot on that one island, could turn on a dime, is a lot smaller, and has an indicator which is easier to lose track of. In comparison I found the APCs a lot easier and took most of them out fairly quickly. Yeah for me Firefly I just go full bore and once I get close it's just the ejection grab. APCs are maddening because of the firing. I keep getting *almost* locked then I hit a quarter in the road and lose the circle. I never can get close enough to them to side-swipe them. Something tells me I'm going to get mad at this game later on, but I'm too busy rescuing firemen and doing sidequest poo poo rather than rescue Barbara Gordon
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JetsGuy posted:Yeah for me Firefly I just go full bore and once I get close it's just the ejection grab. And again, powerslide, powerslide, powerslide. redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 21:08
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One thing I found that makes APCs easier: glide to their position, and then divebomb and call in the batmobile right next to them - preferably in such a way that they have to turn around. You can get a couple of sideswipes in that way right off the bat before they get up to speed. Also on big curves, the APC usually takes the turn pretty wide, so with a little practice you can cut the corner and ram it good.
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redbackground posted:Don't try to sideswipe the apcs, just the escorts if they're crowding you. Though if you can get the jump on an APC when a chase starts, plowing into them at full afterburner makes the ensuing chase a LOT shorter. Arkham Knight looks to be the first Batman game I'll 100%. I just like the game play so much, it's hard to put down. I do like the Batmobile though, and I can see how not liking that thing would make one think the game is hot bullshit. I committed to it early and upgraded the hell out of it and I think that might be the key. The game is going to make you use it so if you don't embrace it you're in for a hard time.
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Thanks again for all the advice re: driving y'all, very much appreciate it, will give a go when I get back from le job.  Levantine posted:Arkham Knight looks to be the first Batman game I'll 100%. I just like the game play so much, it's hard to put down. I do like the Batmobile though, and I can see how not liking that thing would make one think the game is hot bullshit. I committed to it early and upgraded the hell out of it and I think that might be the key. The game is going to make you use it so if you don't embrace it you're in for a hard time. I've upset some of my friends who are huge Arkham game fans because I had started to play this, but then went right back to Witcher 3. I played that to as close to 100% as you can get without doing that game's equivalent of Riddler trophies. Game seriously reset the bar for open world games for me. So when I got back into Arkham a few days ago, they were upset when I was complaining about how clunky the combat felt. It's probably 90% just being used to W3, but yikes. I love the Batman games, but I'm definitely not 100%-ing this. EDIT: VVV It's not the getting shot that makes me lose lock, the Batmobile just decides to just lose control and I lose lock. I can be on the empty street and I guess I'm just missing something obvious. JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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A trick to dodging shots on a straight section is you can sideswipe out of the way, just press space + direction (or whatever batmobile dodge is for you console people) when the indicators are on you and generally that'll be enough to get you out of harm's way and not lose too much lock on.
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Dogen posted:They didn't really, it's a big part of the problems with the PC release since it's accomplished by texture streaming, which is hosed up and their shoddy solution to was to slap a 30 fps limit on the game and hope it worked out somehow rofl @ this post You know what else is accomplished by texture streaming? Pretty much every game since 2008.
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Pirate Jet posted:rofl @ this post Yeah they went super nuts with it and try to keep textures that are way too high resolution loaded all the time and never purge anything from memory, but it isn't new... they just tried to make it do too much and then threw up their hands when it didn't work out and shipped anyway for some reason
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dscruffy1 posted:I don't know if that's the comic it came from but I think these are the panels you're referring to. Alfred is the best.
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Nckdictator posted:Batman:Gothic is hilariously bad though, but it's worth the read if you want to laugh at how dark and edgy it is. See I don't know why that description wouldn't sell everyone on the comic right then and there. But Morrison's Batman depends on your taste, I suppose.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:On the topic of good Batman stories, apparently Batman: Black and White is really good. It's a really good anthology of Batman stories, often by writers or artists who don't normally work with the character.
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"Two-Face's guards won't hear me above the alarm. No need to be quiet." *guards immediately hear the first punch you throw*
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JetsGuy posted:"Two-Face's guards won't hear me above the alarm. No need to be quiet."
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It's very confusing trying to figure out which batman comics are worth reading because it seems like everyone likes something different when it comes to batman. Like I'm personally more interested in everyone than batman and joker.
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JetsGuy posted:"Two-Face's guards won't hear me above the alarm. No need to be quiet." They really don't though? I just did those quests for like the 4th time and was having fun glide kicking isolated mooks. Certainly you can do knockout smashes to your heart's content, although it won't recharge your fear takedown. I usually would set up one fear, knock out a few guys until one was isolated enough to recharge fear, and then end on a fear and grapple up before the alarm shuts off.
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