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cheesetriangles posted:So I'm playing as low tech non lethal Denton. The riot baton solves all ills. One thing I don't get is the crossbow. It says it does 25 base damage but it always takes multiple hits to kill anything and if you shoot someone with the tranq darts they just shoot you for a while before falling over. Why would you ever use it? It's incredibly useful in the early levels.
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In Training posted:Oof Oof oof Oof Oof Oof Aaaauhhgg
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Jul 22, 2015 13:48
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In Training posted:Oof Oof oof Oof Oof Oof Aaaauhhgg There's no aaauuuuggghhh, just ooh *drop*
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Jul 22, 2015 13:49
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cheesetriangles posted:So I'm playing as low tech non lethal Denton. The riot baton solves all ills. One thing I don't get is the crossbow. It says it does 25 base damage but it always takes multiple hits to kill anything and if you shoot someone with the tranq darts they just shoot you for a while before falling over. Why would you ever use it? Wasn't there some weird hit box thing where you have to shoot them in the butt to get max damage? Maybe I'm thinking of the stun baton.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:04
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Jeoh posted:There's no aaauuuuggghhh, just ooh *drop* Is there a lethal version of the crossbow dart? Like a poison dart? I forgot
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Jul 22, 2015 14:07
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In Training posted:Is there a lethal version of the crossbow dart? Like a poison dart? I forgot There's the regular dart, and the flare dart. LookieLoo posted:Wasn't there some weird hit box thing where you have to shoot them in the butt to get max damage? Maybe I'm thinking of the stun baton. Deus Ex hitboxes are weird.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:12
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Jeoh posted:There's the regular dart, and the flare dart. Oops. Also yeah, Max damage is headshots and the area right at the top of the buttcrack. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker has an identical system as well (shooting a man in the top of rear end will instantly kill or knock out).
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Jul 22, 2015 14:20
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In Training posted:Oops. Also yeah, Max damage is headshots and the area right at the top of the buttcrack. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker has an identical system as well (shooting a man in the top of rear end will instantly kill or knock out).
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Jul 22, 2015 14:27
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Max damage with melee weapons is from behind, I don't think that affects headshots though. (or stunned, which is quadruple damage)
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Jul 22, 2015 14:28
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FactsAreUseless posted:Because you can hit someone once with a tranq dart, hide, and the AI is stupid enough not to be able to handle it before falling over.
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Jul 22, 2015 16:41
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Jeoh posted:You missed an important one: 0451 is the access code to their old offices, not a reference to Fahrenheit 451 It's so well-known that I didn't think about it. Bioshock, Human Revolution, and Dishonored also have 0451 combination locks at the beginning, the tradition is still going strong.
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Jul 22, 2015 16:44
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Bioshock Infinite had it as well. The only combo lock in the game.
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Jul 22, 2015 16:52
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Scalding Coffee posted:I was always hunted down by everyone when I did that, must be from biomod. The tranqs should have been more potent in this game.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:21
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Sleeveless posted:It's so well-known that I didn't think about it. Bioshock, Human Revolution, and Dishonored also have 0451 combination locks at the beginning, the tradition is still going strong. It goes all the way back to the original System Shock, where it was the code of the first door you encountered.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:48
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John Dough posted:It goes all the way back to the original System Shock, where it was the code of the first door you encountered. System Shock 2 changes it up a little: the first door is 45100.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:52
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It was also recently featured in the little-known indie stealth cyberpunk game Neon Struct, with only a sly hidden hint along the lines of "thousands of door codes to choose from, and he picked that one". You also play an agent named Jillian Cleary, and one random NPC's incidental line is literally "Go get 'em, J.C.!". That game's p cool, though it's a lot more Thief than it is DX in terms of gameplay.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:30
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At this point, having some variation of 0451 as your first keypad code is practically mandatory for first-person games with stealth or scavenging elements. It's the easiest "we're Looking Glass fans" thing possible.  Neon Struct is great and I recommend it to fans of Thief 1/2. People kept comparing it to Deus Ex because of the aesthetics, but it's strictly a Thief game that just happens to be set in the near future. I wish the audio design was less bare-bones, though. The lack of any dialogue, ambience or score made me realise just how much those things add to stealth games in general (since there's a lot of downtime while playing).
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Jul 22, 2015 21:23
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Guard 1: Sometimes, good incidental dialogue is very hard to write. Guard 2: Never doubt it.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:32
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Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars later?
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FactsAreUseless posted:Guard 1: Sometimes, good incidental dialogue is very hard to write. Whiskey And Cigars e;fb Lemon Curdistan posted:Neon Struct is great and I recommend it to fans of Thief 1/2. People kept comparing it to Deus Ex because of the aesthetics, but it's strictly a Thief game that just happens to be set in the near future. I wish the audio design was less bare-bones, though. The lack of any dialogue, ambience or score made me realise just how much those things add to stealth games in general (since there's a lot of downtime while playing). I feel like the sound design issues come from a combination of trying to imitate Thief's subtle soundscape without the budget/sound engineering to make that work, and committing a bit too much to the minimalist approach. Just some decent recordings of outdoor/indoor ambiance could help make that game feel way more atmospheric without breaking the "diagetic soundtrack" thing they were going for (Incidentally, the main menu/JACKING INTO
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Lemon Curdistan posted:At this point, having some variation of 0451 as your first keypad code is practically mandatory for first-person games with stealth or scavenging elements. It's the easiest "we're Looking Glass fans" thing possible. Somebody should screw with it by having the last keypad in the game be 1540 instead.
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T2x, the 'unofficial' Thief 2 expansion, NAILED incidental guard dialogue. It's not just fluff. It's to let you know where they are, it's a gameplay element. It's usually some combination of coughing, breathing, whistling or muttering about something. Great great set of missions, except the very first mission is lovely.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:T2x, the 'unofficial' Thief 2 expansion, NAILED incidental guard dialogue. It's not just fluff. It's to let you know where they are, it's a gameplay element. It's usually some combination of coughing, breathing, whistling or muttering about something. Great great set of missions, except the very first mission is lovely. I remember exploring Maggie Chow's building on my first run when I came close to a door and the game subtitles helpfully informed me "MJ12 Soldier: *coughs*" Well, I guess that saves me the trouble of figuring out your allegiance, Maggie.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Guard 1: Sometimes, good incidental dialogue is very hard to write. Hot as hell in these masks.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I remember exploring Maggie Chow's building on my first run when I came close to a door and the game subtitles helpfully informed me "MJ12 Soldier: *coughs*" This happened to me too, I love it.
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Hello Deus Ex thread  Sorry, this is a little off-topic, but I couldn't find any sort of "recommend me a video game!" threads here in Games so I thought I might ask here. I'm finishing up a replay of DX:HR and I'd love a suggestion of something with similar pacing and combat to play next. I tend to like games that are a bit more FPS than RPG -- like, I think DX and Dishonored are great, but Borderlands had too many sidequests and I burn myself out pretty quickly when I have little quest markers popping up everywhere on my map. I basically just want to run around shooting and/or punching mans and upgrading my ability to shoot and/or punch mans.Something from within the last like... five years or so, maybe? I tried replaying the original DX recently but I can't get past the very very dated graphics. 
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Hello Deus Ex thread This is like saying "I tried having sex, but I just couldn't get over how dated it is." Play System Shock and System Shock 2. By the time you're done, the graphics in DX should look amazing. 
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Geight posted:This happened to me too, I love it. Same. It even makes sense.
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Hello Deus Ex thread Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines maybe. Not quite what you asked for but closest thing I know of. Oh, check out EYE as well.
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Cointelprofessional posted:I'm surprised no one has posted this yet. As a promo for the next Deus Ex game, they gathered some of the creators together to provide commentary on a play through. This is pretty cool but I am bummed that they're playing in 16-bit color because it looks lovely.
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Hello Deus Ex thread New Vegas and Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines are my personal favorite fpsrpg's. If you just want meaty combat try E.Y.E but it's pretty weird.
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If you liked HR Syndicate (2012) might be right up your alley, certainly visually and shooty at least.
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Following up on Deus Ex: HR with E.Y.E. is like following up on Gattaca by watching some weird Korean remake of Robocop where Robocop finds out he is literally the devil.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Following up on Deus Ex: HR with E.Y.E. is like following up on Gattaca by watching some weird Korean remake of Robocop where Robocop finds out he is literally the devil. I should play E.Y.E.
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Geight posted:I should play E.Y.E. The hacking minigame is literally a turn-based RPG, and failing a hack attempt means you have to hack your own brain to get rid of your brain computer virus. EYE is a pretty amazing game. Honestly, my only criticism is that stealth doesn't seem all that viable or fun due to stock Source engine AI jank, though I only ever tried it on the first proper mission before saying "gently caress it" and just rolling with bigass guns and heavy armor and gibbed my way through the whole game in co-op. Also I'm pretty sure co-op has some absurdly high playercap,, presumably because they rolled with stock Source netcode as well. It owns.
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Moartoast posted:The hacking minigame is literally a turn-based RPG, and failing a hack attempt means you have to hack your own brain to get rid of your brain computer virus. Yeah the stealth basically comes down to cloaking after enemies see you and then backstabbing them when they look away in confusion. Oh yeah and backstabs are always a one hit kill. See that helicopter? You can backstab it. See that giant demon? You can backstab it. See that dumb 40k looking guy? Yup, proceed to stabbing. God I love that game neosloth fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Hello Deus Ex thread Alpha Protocol?
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:I tend to like games that are a bit more FPS than RPG Cream-of-Plenty posted:Following up on Deus Ex: HR with E.Y.E. is like following up on Gattaca by watching some weird Korean remake of Robocop where Robocop finds out he is literally the devil.
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