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BlitzBlast posted:He designed it with the idea that it would be something Heero would pilot. Self destruct function confirmed.
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 02:20 |
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TARDISman posted:Self destruct function confirmed.
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 02:23 |
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chumbler posted:I will not hear anyone besmirching the scene in which Duo talks to 4 other Duos. Where is this? I must watch it.
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 03:25 |
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Warmachine posted:This is really what makes the whole thing make no sense. Andrew and Aisha were more interesting than Nicol ever was. I always heard SEED was basically a retelling of 0079, but man, that is just one scene of newtype talking to the dead person from being the Lala schtick all over again. Zedd posted:Subs can't capture the perfection that is General Septum Sometimes i forget how ridiculous Wing really was. Then i watch that scene where they drop him out of the airplane and shoot him in the head. Just because.
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 09:40 |
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TARDISman posted:Self destruct function confirmed. The Fenice literally has just that, as mentioned.
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 13:47 |
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Oh right, completely forgot about that bit...
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# ? Jul 24, 2015 16:09 |
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quote:Name: Build Gundam Mk-II - Build Fighter Sei Iori Custom Made Mobile Suit quote:Name: Build Booster Mk-II - Build Gundam Mk-II Support Unit quote:Beam Rifle Mk-II (Direct Connection to Generator type) Poor Build Mk-II. Could have been a contender with the RG system but there just wasn't enough time.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:01 |
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Nasgate posted:I always heard SEED was basically a retelling of 0079, but man, that is just one scene of newtype talking to the dead person from being the Lala schtick all over again. SEED isn't really a retelling of 0079 past the early parts. The Newtype scene is totally a knockoff of Lalah but to be fair that scene has been in half the anime in existence at this point.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:06 |
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But it is a retelling of 0079, I'm about to find out if Destiny follows suit with Zeta.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:20 |
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Ka0 posted:But it is a retelling of 0079, I'm about to find out if Destiny follows suit with Zeta. It retells up to the Desert arc but after that there isn't really any direct comparison. The Federation become the villains, the protagonists defect to NotJapan, the closest comparison to Solomon occurs effectively offscreen, there's no real Lalah arc, Rau doesn't remotely follow Char's plotline. Like at some point it becomes "it's a retelling of Gundam if Kai and Hayato didn't exist, Sleggar was there for the entire series, Sayla was Amuro's sister and also princess of Japan, Garma Zabi was an ace pilot who defected because he was secretly Amuro's best friend, Degwin Zabi and Gihren Zabi fused into a single person being manipulated by Char who was an insane nihilist who wanted to destroy the world, also Amuro was apparently banging Fraw Bow who was also secretly a giant racist and got murdered by Char and..." Well, you get the point. Beyond the broad Gundam archetypes it isn't really comparable. Honestly the biggest point of comparison is the Desert Arc which is gigantically blatantly Ramba Ral. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Ka0 posted:But it is a retelling of 0079, I'm about to find out if Destiny follows suit with Zeta. The word you're looking for is reimagining. Both SEED and Destiny start off with similar plot beats to 0079 and Zeta then turn into their own thing, for better or for worse. it's mostly for worse
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:28 |
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Yeah, Waltfeld is pretty much Ramba Ral if he brewed his own coffee and drove a Zoid.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:38 |
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ImpAtom posted:The Federation become the villains You don't think ZAFT was being a dick with the gryps-like genesis beam? Ka0 fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jul 25, 2015 |
# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:57 |
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Ka0 posted:You don't think ZAFT was being a dick with the gryps-like genesis beam? The Federation by the end point of SEED was populated literally entirely by absurd genocidal racists who tossed nukes around like candy with the possible exception of Natarle who got shot for disobeying a direct order of "be batshit insane." The ZAFT side had multiple defections to the 'good guy' faction and was eventually resolved offscreen by the main evil ZAFT guy being teamkilled because he was so insane and a former ZAFT soldier blowing up their death laser. Both sides were assholes but the Federation had literally zero sympathetic characters after the Archangel defected. Like even GENESIS would have only sort of a dick move if Zala didn't plan to turn it on Earth. it was a superweapon but it was one used on a group who were literally planning to nuke civilian targets because they're so absurdly evil. Superweapons are dick moves but that would have been 'using the Solar Ray on Solomon" dick move if the next target wasn't Earth. It was that last bit that put it over the top into "totally batshit insane" and also got Zala shot. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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TARDISman posted:Yeah, Waltfeld is pretty much Ramba Ral if he brewed his own coffee and drove a Zoid.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:19 |
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I loved how cartoonishly evil Azrael was. It was amazing. SEED had some great villains. Djibriil was cartoonishly evil too but not even a quarter as entertaining. He was kind of just pathetic.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:34 |
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SEED had some pretty premo voice talent. I'm sad they didn't allow Koyasu to go too hammy, I guess Mwu was just too subdued of a character. Thankfully Gym Ghringham exists to take advantage of his unique talents. Azrael was perfectly cast though. TNG fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jul 25, 2015 |
# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:48 |
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We all know who the real star of the dub cast is - Rau Le Creuset. Mark Oliver just nailed that calm villainous tone
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:53 |
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I think my favorite part of the SEED Desert Arc is that the milita leader is voiced by Masahi Hirose, i.e. actually Ramba Ral. For as much as everyone here loves the English VA for Rau, I just really like Toshihiko Seki doing his thing a whole lot.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 04:00 |
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NikkolasKing posted:I loved how cartoonishly evil Azrael was. It was amazing. SEED had some great villains. To say he wasn't entertaining is an understatement. I mean when you're introduced to Azrael you see him at a shadowy conference muttering about nukes, which evolves into him controlling the Feddies and screaming his head off. When you're introduced to Djibril, he's sitting in a basement staring at a bunch of TV screens stroking his white cat and drinking from a glass of wine. The dude isn't even remotely subtle which just makes you think "loving hell this guy's a prick." Neddy Seagoon posted:We all know who the real star of the dub cast is - Rau Le Creuset. Mark Oliver just nailed that calm villainous tone Too true too true, although Matt "KICK ME IN THE BALLS I NEED TO CRY PROPERLY" Hill is a close second.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 04:01 |
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ImpAtom posted:The Federation by the end point of SEED was populated literally entirely by absurd genocidal racists who tossed nukes around like candy with the possible exception of Natarle who got shot for disobeying a direct order of "be batshit insane." I thought it was lame how everyone remotely good went over to GLORIOUS NIPPON near the end of SEED. It defeats the entire point of one of Gundam's themes (there are both good and bad dudes on both sides of the conflict) if everyone in the Federation and ZAFT are evil assholes. It did give us Azrael and his amazing hamminess, so it's not all bad. To this day, one of few the images of SEED still in my mind is him laughing like crazy in front of a monitor. quote:Yeah, Waltfeld is pretty much Ramba Ral if he brewed his own coffee and drove a Zoid. Ennil El is the way better Ral clone. The only thing Andy has over her is his Disco Gun.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 06:25 |
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ImpAtom posted:The Federation by the end point of SEED was populated literally entirely by absurd genocidal racists who tossed nukes around like candy with the possible exception of Natarle who got shot for disobeying a direct order of "be batshit insane." The random soldier who shot Zala was the hero we needed.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 06:39 |
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closeted republican posted:I thought it was lame how everyone remotely good went over to GLORIOUS NIPPON near the end of SEED. It defeats the entire point of one of Gundam's themes (there are both good and bad dudes on both sides of the conflict) if everyone in the Federation and ZAFT are evil assholes. Eh. SEED handled it poorly but to be honest most Gundam shows run into that problem where the 'good' members of the theoretically villain faction either defect or die off leaving nothing but the Yazans. The AEUG is basically a giant walking protagonist bloc, just a better executed one than the Three-Ships. By ZZ Gundam you've got pretty clearly defined Good Guy/Bad Guy sides, just with a healthy dose of gently caress Adults throw into it. Even as far as 00 Gundam you basically had The Evil Innovades and Ali vs the unified good-guy forces. Oddly enough the series that has been best about it lately is G-Reco where you ended up with the Core Protagonist Megafauna squad which ended up full of defectors but major characters like Klim Nick or whatnot remained on their own sides and had their own shifting loyalties. Turn-A also was okay about it although Gym kind of muddies the water there.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 06:48 |
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. SEED handled it poorly but to be honest most Gundam shows run into that problem where the 'good' members of the theoretically villain faction either defect or die off leaving nothing but the Yazans. The AEUG is basically a giant walking protagonist bloc, just a better executed one than the Three-Ships. By ZZ Gundam you've got pretty clearly defined Good Guy/Bad Guy sides, just with a healthy dose of gently caress Adults throw into it. Even as far as 00 Gundam you basically had The Evil Innovades and Ali vs the unified good-guy forces. Eh, I should've clarified; it works that way utnil the end of the series, where one side has most of the decent dudes and the other side is Baby Eaters-R-Us. Earlier bits of the series will have dudes on the other side that aren't complete monsters, like Ral, the Asshimar dude at Dakkar, and Mr. Sleeveless Shirt Guy X. By the end though? Everyone that isn't pure evil has joined Team Gundam. There are some shows that subvert this by having zero decent people on the enemy side, like ZZ.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:13 |
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Are you talking 00 Season 1 or 2? Because 00 S1 was definitely not just Good vs. Bad. I mean, calling S1 Celestial Being "good" is a huge stretch in and of itself. Then besides Alejandro and Not SEELE a lot of the people in the three big power blocs (I forget what they were called) were decent enough, like Sergei and Soma and Graham. I seem to recall Not SEELE had a name and stuff... Weren't they Innovators vs. Ribbon's Innovades? It was all amazingly poorly explained. Also Wing did the "Good Guys Side vs. The Other Two" thing before SEED did. I just always found that kind of interesting. Then again, I guess Zeta kinda did that too with AEUG vs. Axis vs. Titans.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:15 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Are you talking 00 Season 1 or 2? Because 00 S1 was definitely not just Good vs. Bad. I mean, calling S1 Celestial Being "good" is a huge stretch in and of itself. Then besides Alejandro and Not SEELE a lot of the people in the three big power blocs (I forget what they were called) were decent enough, like Sergei and Soma and Graham. I like three-ways, but SEED did theirs horribly. GLORIOUS NIPPON appears out of nowhere and everyone not pure evil joins them. Zeta's three-way was nice because it made the stakes shoot up way higher than they were previously.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:23 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Are you talking 00 Season 1 or 2? Because 00 S1 was definitely not just Good vs. Bad. I mean, calling S1 Celestial Being "good" is a huge stretch in and of itself. Then besides Alejandro and Not SEELE a lot of the people in the three big power blocs (I forget what they were called) were decent enough, like Sergei and Soma and Graham. The observers faction was populated entirely by dicks in the show considering the fact that the only two members we see are Wang Liu Min and Alejandro. The observers for all intents and purposes seem to have been the financial/earthbound logistics for celestial being. They handled a bunch of things like getting the suits back up into space for example. Ribbon's innovades were pretty simple really. Ribbons hijacked Alejandro's organization at the end of the first season and activated a whole schwack of the innovade/artificial humans once he had control of Veda (and thus ostensibly control of them). The funny thing about Ribbons is that from what you see in the show he fully intended to go through with the broad strokes of the original plan, he just figured that since he was the evolved humanity that he should be in charge of the whole thing. Now why Scheimberg thought it was a good idea to let the innovades thing they were innovators is anyone's guess.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:28 |
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Caros posted:Now why Scheimberg thought it was a good idea to let the innovades thing they were innovators is anyone's guess. I think that was their own delusion, wasn't it? Or it might've been to draw out the true Innovators from whoever kicks their poo poo in.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:48 |
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Nasgate posted:I always heard SEED was basically a retelling of 0079, but man, that is just one scene of newtype talking to the dead person from being the Lala schtick all over again. Well, you asked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65EHpRuqHio closeted republican posted:I thought it was lame how everyone remotely good went over to GLORIOUS NIPPON near the end of SEED. It defeats the entire point of one of Gundam's themes (there are both good and bad dudes on both sides of the conflict) if everyone in the Federation and ZAFT are evil assholes. Holy poo poo I never saw this far in on CN, so I've only ever seen the normal gun on the DVDs.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 08:38 |
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TARDISman posted:Too true too true, although Matt "KICK ME IN THE BALLS I NEED TO CRY PROPERLY" Hill is a close second. We need both crying scenes side by side to work out who sounds more like they were kicked in the balls.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 12:12 |
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So I just learned it was Heero who voiced Sten in Dragon Age: Origins. That is amazing. Anybody whoever shat on that guy is officially wrong and stupid.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 18:50 |
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I've started Seed destiny. I though Sleggar Flaga had died. His voice actor is back.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 20:55 |
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Ka0 posted:I've started Seed destiny. Strap in, Cochise.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 21:25 |
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I was confused at first too. But no, it really is dumber than you think.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 21:27 |
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I was actually shocked how much I agreed with the "popular opinions" of the Gundam fandom. Opinions like Zeta being a masterpiece while SEED Destiny was a crime against humanity. Although I still maintain SEED was pretty good. I just think Destiny kind of soured people on it retroactively. Don't let that happen to you.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 21:37 |
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Ka0 posted:I've started Seed destiny.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 21:42 |
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I'm up to episode 3 and so far it's reverse Seed; there's a ZAFT ship pursuing an earth carrier with "omg important new prototypes" and they are apparently using pod-pilots the way the rowdyruff boys were. It warmed my heart to know that in this universe, Zakus are an upgrade from other machines.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 22:05 |
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Warmachine posted:I was confused at first too. But no, it really is dumber than you think. The tagline for SEED Destiny.
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# ? Jul 25, 2015 22:07 |
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Ka0 posted:I'm up to episode 3 and so far it's reverse Seed; there's a ZAFT ship pursuing an earth carrier with "omg important new prototypes" and they are apparently using pod-pilots the way the rowdyruff boys were. It warmed my heart to know that in this universe, Zakus are an upgrade from other machines.
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Ka0 posted:I'm up to episode 3 and so far it's reverse Seed; there's a ZAFT ship pursuing an earth carrier with "omg important new prototypes" and they are apparently using pod-pilots the way the rowdyruff boys were. It warmed my heart to know that in this universe, Zakus are an upgrade from other machines. Hey, as Judau would happily tell you, the Zaku III was a beast.
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