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bartlebyshop posted:I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say I like The Bridge of Khazad-Dum and the part where Aragorn leaves Lothlorien for the last time as my favourite sections. yeah it's the best book.
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euphronius posted:yeah it's the best book. The "Rohan had come at last" part is a strong contender too, though.
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Jul 23, 2015 00:07
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Galadriel's rejection of the Ring has become my favorite scene, just as Galadriel has become my favorite character over the years.
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Jul 23, 2015 00:37
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Just as it's one of the most cartoonishly overwrought scenes in the movie.
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Jul 23, 2015 02:21
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Update: now that I am an adult and have read Medieval Literature, it is easier reading. I'm in a weird spot where i can sort of remember scenes from the movies, but not enough for it to ruin the experience
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Jul 23, 2015 03:17
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Data Graham posted:Just as it's one of the most cartoonishly overwrought scenes in the movie. I've made my opinion of that clear earlier ITT. They overpowered what would have been a great performance.
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Jul 23, 2015 03:24
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bartlebyshop posted:The "Rohan had come at last" part is a strong contender too, though. The first half of the Fellowship is the most cheerful, but there are two points where if I'm paying any attention at all, I have to just put the book down for a few minutes: the Bridge of Khazad-Dum, and the moment when I first hear those great horns of the North, wildly blowing.
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Ynglaur posted:I've made my opinion of that clear earlier ITT. They overpowered what would have been a great performance. Not sure I would say overpowered - but they didn't really explain to the audience what was going on so I remember a few of my friends asking "what was up with that bi-polar magical elf lady?" after the showing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The first half of the Fellowship is the most cheerful, but there are two points where if I'm paying any attention at all, I have to just put the book down for a few minutes: the Bridge of Khazad-Dum, and the moment when I first hear those great horns of the North, wildly blowing. My favorite bits are always moments of reflection/historical conversation. So Shadow of the Past and Council of Elrond are my favorite bits. I am a history nerd too though.
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Jul 23, 2015 06:27
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concerned mom posted:The parts where Frodo and Sam are journeying before they meet up with anyone else are by far my favourite bits of the books. I remember I liked whenever they're just walking through some desolate, depopulated rear end landscape.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:38
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Thunder Moose posted:Not sure I would say overpowered - but they didn't really explain to the audience what was going on so I remember a few of my friends asking "what was up with that bi-polar magical elf lady?" after the showing. A lot of this is because The One Ring is not your typical doomsday plot device. It's not showy, it's not flashy, it does not immediately make you a badass who can wave his hand and destroy armies. As a literal embodiment of Sin, the most deadly thing about it is how insidiously unassuming it is. It's just a little ring, nothing to get worked up about. This subtlety does not come across well in the film medium. I can't count how the number of times over the years where I've read people cracking jokes about how "useless" the One Ring is. "All it does is make you invisible!" How many times have we all heard that one? NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Jul 23, 2015 07:44
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The "Samwise the Strong" bit would have helped in that regard. It's just a passing moment in the book, but it could have made for a great and memorable sequence of visuals that really drove home what it was that had put Boromir over the edge and nearly consumed Frodo. It's curious that the Bakshi cartoon Return of the King included that element but Jackson skipped it.
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Jul 23, 2015 12:38
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Thunder Moose posted:Not sure I would say overpowered - but they didn't really explain to the audience what was going on so I remember a few of my friends asking "what was up with that bi-polar magical elf lady?" after the showing. To be fair, unless the reader understands a bit about Galadriel's back story, the full meaning of the scene cannot be reasonably inferred by the text in FotR.
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Jul 23, 2015 14:18
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Galadriels back story was not public or known when those books were released as well. It was a total mystery.
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Jul 23, 2015 14:45
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I think I read it in this thread that it is somehow possible to see the "original" Blanchett delivery of that wonderful monologue, perhaps as some behind the scenes extra/commentary in one of the many releases of the movie. Is it so?
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Data Graham posted:The "Samwise the Strong" bit would have helped in that regard. It's just a passing moment in the book, but it could have made for a great and memorable sequence of visuals that really drove home what it was that had put Boromir over the edge and nearly consumed Frodo. It was because of the short-cut Jackson took with regard to the Ring-that simply putting it on automatically sets off alarm bells in Barad-Dur. That's how the Nazgul tracked the Ring to Bree. So if you're going to establish that early on, you can't have Sam put on the Ring and somehow not get spotted by Sauron. This had confused me earlier, but the way it was explained to me was that Sauron would spot you with the Ring if he happened to be looking at that location. To actually draw his attention, you have to actually try to wrest control of the Ring (which is what Frodo was doing at the Cracks of Doom).
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Jul 23, 2015 17:24
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If I recall, Samwise the Strong happened (both in the book and in Bakshi) when Sam just took hold of the Ring, and fantasized about wearing it; he didn't actually put it on at that time. Or am I misremembering?
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Jul 23, 2015 20:08
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A thing I notice every time I read LOTR is that in the movie, Peter Jackson made the elves weird, stoic jerks. In the books they're laughing and making jokes all the time
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Jul 23, 2015 20:19
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Probably a design decision to make them seem more otherworldly. That was definitely a feature in the books but our imagination is what really makes them seem that way. In film, you'd have to do something different hence the more "wise" attitude they adopt. Not that the elves in LOTR had any loving personality anyway. If you want good, three-dimensional elves, your only choice is The Silmarillion. It's why I was able to read The Sil years before I could make it through the trilogy. Also while it's an unpopular characterization choice, I feel Jackson's Jerkass Elrond works. Here these fuckers are, can float away in their boats to what is literally heaven on Earth, any time they drat well please. Men and Hobbits and dwarves and every other race of Middle-earth? Left to the mercy of Sauron. "Our people are leaving these shores" indeed.
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NikkolasKing posted:Probably a design decision to make them seem more otherworldly. That was definitely a feature in the books but our imagination is what really makes them seem that way. In film, you'd have to do something different hence the more "wise" attitude they adopt. Elrond has also been fighting Sauron for like 6000 years at this point. He's sick of his poo poo.
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Jul 23, 2015 21:00
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Ynglaur posted:To be fair, unless the reader understands a bit about Galadriel's back story, the full meaning of the scene cannot be reasonably inferred by the text in FotR.
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Smoking Crow posted:A thing I notice every time I read LOTR is that in the movie, Peter Jackson made the elves weird, stoic jerks. In the books they're laughing and making jokes all the time Meh. They are also stoic jerks.
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Jul 24, 2015 00:13
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euphronius posted:Meh. They are also stoic jerks. Shut up mortal, elves own
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Jul 24, 2015 01:29
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I guess the Teleri laugh. Vanyar do not laugh.
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Smoking Crow posted:Shut up mortal, elves own I like elves, but I also like to hate elves. It is the great dilemma.
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Jul 24, 2015 01:38
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Dwarves itt.
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Data Graham posted:The "Samwise the Strong" bit would have helped in that regard. It's just a passing moment in the book, but it could have made for a great and memorable sequence of visuals that really drove home what it was that had put Boromir over the edge and nearly consumed Frodo. Minor Nit-pick, but Return of the King was a Rankin/Bass cartoon. Bakshi's Lord of the Rings has the rotoscoping and ends at Helm's Deep, if I recall correctly. I thought both were pretty great when I was a wee one and it convinced me to read the books.
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Baloogan posted:Dwarves itt. The gender ratio is right at least.
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Ollu posted:Minor Nit-pick, but Return of the King was a Rankin/Bass cartoon. Ah poo poo. Can't believe I did that. You know what I meant.
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SirPhoebos posted:It was because of the short-cut Jackson took with regard to the Ring-that simply putting it on automatically sets off alarm bells in Barad-Dur. That's how the Nazgul tracked the Ring to Bree. So if you're going to establish that early on, you can't have Sam put on the Ring and somehow not get spotted by Sauron. Data Graham posted:If I recall, Samwise the Strong happened (both in the book and in Bakshi) when Sam just took hold of the Ring, and fantasized about wearing it; he didn't actually put it on at that time. Or am I misremembering? I checked the book and Sam never wears the Ring inside the borders of Mordor, nor does Frodo until Mount Doom. Sam puts it on briefly just before crossing over and feels "the malice of the Eye of Mordor, searching, trying to pierce the shadows that it had made for its own defence, but which now hindered it in its unquiet and doubt". When he crosses into Mordor proper he takes it off, "moved it may be by some deep premonition of danger". A bit later he has his Samwise the Strong fantasy but doesn't actually put the Ring on, thinking that Sauron would spot him pretty quickly if he did so in Mordor. So the implication seems to be that Sauron would be able to tell if someone put on the Ring inside his borders, and might even be able sense the unworn Ring's presence if he wasn't so preoccupied with the war in the west. The Nazgul being drawn by the Ring is in the books as well, so it would make sense for Sauron to have a similar ability and over a longer distance. There's a bit just before Sam and Frodo reach the Cracks of Doom where they see just a brief glimpse of one of Barad-dur's topmost towers and they immediately sense the Eye, which makes Frodo involuntarily reach for the Ring and Sam thinks they've been caught, even though Sauron's attention is completely drawn to the Black Gate at that moment.
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Data Graham posted:The "Samwise the Strong" bit would have helped in that regard. It's just a passing moment in the book, but it could have made for a great and memorable sequence of visuals that really drove home what it was that had put Boromir over the edge and nearly consumed Frodo. I concur. quote:He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dûr. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. Core of the whole novel, right there.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:I concur. You could make a good case that it is the moral climax.
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Re Frodo in Mordor Listen to this http://podbay.fm/show/320513707/e/1429367017?autostart=1
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BTW yes that is a podcast recording within the mmorpg LOTR. STFU it is very good.
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euphronius posted:Vanyar do not laugh. The ultimate teacher's pets.
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euphronius posted:BTW yes that is a podcast recording within the mmorpg LOTR. STFU it is very good. Is LOTRO actually good? I knew a guy who played it religiously but he was the type of guy to correct people's pronunciation of names even though he'd never read a Tolkien book
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Smoking Crow posted:Is LOTRO actually good? I knew a guy who played it religiously but he was the type of guy to correct people's pronunciation of names even though he'd never read a Tolkien book Dont have time to play it sorry. I think the endgame is dead but the leveling is cool.
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Lotro has a lot of cool details and things to look at/explore if you are a big nerd. There's no endgame or raiding and the servers are pretty dead but it's overall neat and you will probably enjoy at least looking at stuff even if you don't end up liking it enough to play. Playing it also really solidified my knowledge of Middle Earth geography but that's like a weird bonus. Plus there's a whole series of quests where you turn into a chicken and have to run, defenseless, across Middle Earth to talk to other animals about all the weird poo poo going down in the Shire.
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Jul 25, 2015 02:46
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I would love a Google Middle-Earth.
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Data Graham posted:I would love a Google Middle-Earth. Bringing back this ancient piece of web history.
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