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stabbington posted:All the new EI stuff is pretty dope, and running just EI aspects + Umbra + unidrons + Sygmaa + Dr. Worm MD PhD + REMs is pretty doable. I generally advise people against limiting themselves to a subset of a vanilla faction that doesn't yet have a sectorial (I have a friend who only has Russian Ariadna and it drives me goddamn nuts), but in the particular case of Combined, there's honestly a lot of very similar, overlapping units that do similar tasks in different ways. The things I think you really miss out on by ignoring morats/shasvastii are the Malignos infiltrating TO specialists, Daturazi for easy smoke cover and cheap ninjas to run at your opponent and distract them, and weirder options like Aswangs and Rodoks. If you're willing to put up with that, go for it, since I suspect things will just get more awesome as more books are released. Yeah and i am not entirely opposed to a handful of non EI models or anything, I just like the EI stuff best.
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PaintVagrant posted:Yeah and i am not entirely opposed to a handful of non EI models or anything, I just like the EI stuff best. In that case yeah, heavy EI core list is viable.
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Pierzak posted:Welcome! Need any particular advice? Is a particular paint line preferred for the Infinity line or will any do? I used to use P3 for gw and other random stuff. goodness fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Any line of miniature paints will do. My experiences are: GW - old line is good, new line is the worst of popular lines and overpriced. "Effect" paints are the only ones worth considering if you have alternatives available. Reaper - Very good, smooth, good coverage, goes well with airbrush, but likes to reactivate when washed - give it a few hours to dry before washing Vallejo - Good. Model Color is more matte, smoother and has better coverage than Game Color (different palette though, more drab/military), but is very fragile and easy to rub off until varnished, also has similar wash problem to Reaper. Liquid Gold is alcohol-based and a bit temperamental but has a beautiful finish, and Air can be brushed-on and has the single best acrylic metallic I've seen (Steel) Army Painter - Decent, good "first time painting" line, a bit thick so get used to thinning. Their Quickshade washes (don't confuse with dipping stains with the same name!) are very good equivalents for the old GW washes. PP/P3 - the few PP paints I have are very good, my only complaint is pots instead of dropper bottles. Avoid metallics though, PP metallics are poo poo because they make things look like cheap plastic toys. craft paints - use for terrain but not on minis unless you really know what you're doing. Otherwise not worth the hassle. Grab Vallejo Glaze Medium and some flow improver. Infinity minis like washes and semi-matte glazes. Also, with the new "covered slot" CB bases you can avoid cutting the slot and just push the model in, especially if it has two small tabs instead of one large. Wash your minis! It sounds pointless until you try gluing an antenna, braid or other similar small part. Also, gel superglue is your friend for that one.
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Reaper clear brights are also one of the best things ever. Instead of a wash in a jar, it is a glaze in a bottle, or lets you tint a paint. They saturate shadows really well too.
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goodness posted:40k migrant checking in, narrowed my choice down a bit to PanOceania, Yujing, Combined or Tohaa. Maybe it's unwanted or you already have some mates who are feeding you this kind of info, but I'm happy to share the basic principles of the game if you like. Be aware that Tohaa are quite unique in their rules for 'linking' models into multiple 3-man teams rather than the single 3-5 man teams most sectorials can access. All the others are more conventional, Combined is a bit more limited in cheap troops but has some insane elite stuff. I would avoid the vanilla Yu Jing starter unless you love the models as it's an older generation and likely to be resculpted. Basically pick whatever faction you like the models of though. Infinity has much less differentiated factions than 40k, almost all abilities are found (just in more/fewer unit choices) in all factions. The difference between elite and cheap models is only incremental in stats, the key thing is special rules and exotic equipment. Gameplay wise they all rely on the same fundamentals and there's always a good choice of advanced tactics/shenanigans. Sorry if you know all this already but it's one of the things I love about the game. PaintVagrant posted:Yeah and i am not entirely opposed to a handful of non EI models or anything, I just like the EI stuff best. I find it surprising just how many models you can get for even a limited subset of an Infinity faction, given it's a skirmish game where you can perfectly well play with 10 models. Because you can always try out little tricks and tactics by changing your list it encourages using new models often. I now own every model Corregidor can take bar the newest alguaciles and jaguars, and they are overflowing a half-size KR case. So much so that I sold off the dozen or so PanO models I had.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Maybe it's unwanted or you already have some mates who are feeding you this kind of info, but I'm happy to share the basic principles of the game if you like. Be aware that Tohaa are quite unique in their rules for 'linking' models into multiple 3-man teams rather than the single 3-5 man teams most sectorials can access. All the others are more conventional, Combined is a bit more limited in cheap troops but has some insane elite stuff. I would avoid the vanilla Yu Jing starter unless you love the models as it's an older generation and likely to be resculpted. That was the perfect bit of info actually, thank you! For now it will just be me solo so I will probably buy a starter and just whatever cool models I see. I currently have a lot more free time than usual so trying to find a hobby to fill some of that.
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No worries mate. Whatever you get will do fine, I think the standard/best point of entry is a starter box and another box, preferably of more basic troops (because this will more or less allow you to field 10 models in 150-250 pt games), so eg a PanO starter and a box of PanO fusiliers with SWC weapons.
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Alternatively, proxy the poo poo out of everything until you're comfortable that Infinity's the game for you.
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Regarding character chat earlier - is Joan a decent character for non-MO lists?
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Verr posted:Alternatively, proxy the poo poo out of everything until you're comfortable that Infinity's the game for you. Even if the game was crap I'm more in it for the painting right now, and the models look great compared to what I am used to. Might have to get some Malifaux ones as well. Has anyone tried the vassal implementation of this game yet?
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Weissritter posted:Regarding character chat earlier - is Joan a decent character for non-MO lists?
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It's going to piss my Pano buddy off endlessly when I use mine as a proxy Asawira. 
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Fanzay posted:It's going to piss my Pano buddy off endlessly when I use mine as a proxy Asawira. Make sure to paint her in Haqq colors. I'm painting my Sygmaa in studio Tohaa colors to troll artichokes 
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Pierzak posted:Make sure to paint her in Haqq colors. I'm painting my Sygmaa in studio Tohaa colors to troll artichokes Ehh my Haqq are kinda blueish white and red. Good on you for trolling grognards! 
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Flipswitch posted:Yup, she's MVP in a lot of PanO lists. Which variant?
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Weissritter posted:Which variant?
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Christ, Infinity is a pain in the rear end to find in Canada. Nevermind trying to find a copy of Ice Storm. Even Meeplemart is out of stock on a lot of things.
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I'm actually really excited about the upcoming stuff for Infinity, I've been kind of on the backburner for the past year so as N3 was great but CP was a bit of a let down over all for me. Hoping for some shiny new toys for my factions when it eventually hits.Der Waffle Mous posted:Christ, Infinity is a pain in the rear end to find in Canada. Free shipping on orders over £30! We also have Icestorm.  /endplug.
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goodness posted:Has anyone tried the vassal implementation of this game yet? No idea, but it'd be tough to imagine considering how three-dimensional Infinity games (and terrain) are.
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Malifaux requires schemes and strategies in my opinion to function well - but it is a lot to bear in mind when you're just starting. How does operation IceStorm fit into this? My common opponent and I have played many games and dense rules aren't a problem as long as there aren't "macro" choices that must constantly be borne in mind while learning.
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The ice storm scenarios don't get much more complex than "heres a building in the center, go capture it"
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Southern Heel posted:Malifaux requires schemes and strategies in my opinion to function well - but it is a lot to bear in mind when you're just starting. How does operation IceStorm fit into this? My common opponent and I have played many games and dense rules aren't a problem as long as there aren't "macro" choices that must constantly be borne in mind while learning. Icestorm should work great for you guys. The scenarios are simple and do a great job of introducing the mechanics one piece at a time.
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Flipswitch posted:I'm actually really excited about the upcoming stuff for Infinity, I've been kind of on the backburner for the past year so as N3 was great but CP was a bit of a let down over all for me. Hoping for some shiny new toys for my factions when it eventually hits. Huh, didn't know this site existed. Seems like a very nice supplement to Dark Sphere/Troll Trader who don't always have the speediest restocking. Seems to blow Wayland and Element Games out of the water.
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Typically if FSG doesn't have an item in stock, it'll be available within 1-5 days, all restocks are ordered Monday and tend to arrive throughout the next 2-3 working days. Wayland are awful, I would not buy from them personally.
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I never have, and the one time I tried with Element they gave me the run around with an item, forever increasing the expected delivery date. e: No, it was a set of secret weapon bases, I think. Can't remember but they kept trying to dodge the topic of cancelling and a refund. e2: Oh wait, it was a scenery piece that they had as constantly "two days away from restock!!" rather than just saying "we don't know". ijyt fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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ijyt posted:Huh, didn't know this site existed. Seems like a very nice supplement to Dark Sphere/Troll Trader who don't always have the speediest restocking. I would personally recommend Element Games for having excellent service and slightly cheaper prices compared to FSG. This is balanced by the higher free shipping minimum. Edit ^^^ Was this with Icestorm? If it was then you gotta blame CB because I ran into the same problem and it was hardly EGs fault. I personally wouldn't blame any of the shops if you order something rare, because they will be at the mercy of the distributors and they often won't know if something is going to appear in their next shipment or not. Sure they can have it 'on-order' but if something doesn't appear ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I do blame Wayland for listing things as being in-stock when they weren't, and somehow failing to order in enough GW pre-order product. I've been into the Element Games store a number of times, and their system is up to date, I've found stuff in the store that their own staff thought was OOS when I cross checked with their website. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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ijyt posted:I never have, and the one time I tried with Element they gave me the run around with an item, forever increasing the expected delivery date.
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Flipswitch posted:I'm actually really excited about the upcoming stuff for Infinity, I've been kind of on the backburner for the past year so as N3 was great but CP was a bit of a let down over all for me. Hoping for some shiny new toys for my factions when it eventually hits. Thanks!
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Just one more thing - I heard that IceStorm isn't the full new edition rules, is there any weight to that? If hate to learn a version that's just about to be updated/outmoded!
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It's new, but not full. You're not gonna have to unlearn stuff.
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Perfect, ordered now - nobody has it in stock so I've requested a pickup from the DarkSphere shop. Is there anything else I'll need or is good to pick up while I'm there?
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I was going to say D20s but remembered Icestorm comes with them, so you're basically good. Other than maybe paints and glue.
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I have only ever had to pin Infinity models in the case of a couple remotes' legs and fins, and skinny ankles. Generally the newer-generation models as in O:I are a bit bulkier than the horror-story pin sized limbs of yore, and should be perfectly fine. I often find it easier if, say, a shoulder joint doesn't fit snugly, to put a tiny amount of green stuff in along with the superglue. It stick it in place while the glue sets and forms a good bond.
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Gel superglue helps a lot with joint strength. And for EI's sake,wash the minis beforehand! It does make a noticeable difference.
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Pierzak posted:Gel superglue helps a lot with joint strength. Wash as in actual soap water, or just water? I've just been "washing" my minis in water and then brushing them off with a toothbrush, then rinsing them.
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Southern Heel posted:Should I be pinning th miniatures in the set or is that just for bigger mechs? I toyed with the idea, but I found that 2-part epoxy like Araldite forgoes the need for pinning. Downside is you need to hold the parts together a little longer than super glue, but you get more time to fix a mistake. It's also more resistant to stripping than super glue. E: ^^^ Warm water with washing-up liquid I find best for removing release agent.
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Wash as in scrub with [tooth?]brush and detergent. There's a release agent.
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