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Fangz posted:The number is their level of competence. Remember that Hajime is 101. Nope. That doesn't work since Paiman is G-3, OD is G-12, Joe is G-89 and Utsusu is G-99
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I find it interesting how they're playing Tsubasa here. She's clearly falling in with the wrong crowd, but (as Hajime points out) she's totally right to call out the Gatchaman veterans on their elitist bullshit, and her simple, straightforward flavour of heroism has its advantages as well. I don't think she's here just to be the dumb newbie who the vets have to bring to the Correct Path, and may well have an important role to play in formulating the show's argument against Gelsadra, Jou, and Paiman's paternalism and Rui's lofty idealism.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:05
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WcDanAis is a good not-McDonalds.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:36
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Stupid, sexy Gel-chan.
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Gelsadra works through what we can assume is a majority consensus of what people are thinking, which matches the political undertones the series is having so far. So far Tsubasa seems to match popular opinion on matters, which is why Gel, well gels with her. The point of Rui's scene is that the opinions of the majority doesn't necessarily reflect what the individual wants, which is what Hajime/OD mention. There is a lot of contrast between Hajime and Tsubasa right now most of it stemming from Tsubasa's strong opinions and Hajime's detachment. Hajime is basically taking Sengcans views on opinions "The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised" and "If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind." Clashing opinions are a central point in this season, you can see it with the crowds issue and voting. Theres a lot of scenes where people visually and audibly make their opinions be heard. So it will be interesting to see how Hajime and more importantly, Tsubasa's grandfather and the story of his dead soldier brother will impact the narrative(we can assume that the granddad Is equally as detached). Tsubasa in particular. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Xelkelvos posted:Nope. That doesn't work since Paiman is G-3, OD is G-12, Joe is G-89 and Utsusu is G-99 Nah, that holds up. O.D. blew up his home planet, so that's pretty drat incompetent. What has Paiman done that's worse than that  ?
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Man, seeing people try to confront Hajime is always interesting, because she really doesn't care about actually making a case, so you're left trying to piece together what she's actually thinks. It seems that as she sees it, Rui wasn't in danger of dying (in danger of being in a great deal of pain, certainly, but not dying), because Rizumu was making a point. If Rui wasn't in danger of dying and didn't want to be saved from pain, then "protecting Rui" accomplished nothing... Hence her reply of, "Is there really nothing more important than protecting people?" If there's nothing to save, then what exactly are you "protecting"? When it comes down to it, Tsubasa basically stormed in there because seeing Rui in pain and not doing anything made her feel bad, which is basically the least heroic motivation possible. In the process, she interrupted an attempt to make a counterpoint about Crowds and to redeem someone who could help "update the world"... So she basically just stomped all over Rui's dream for the sake of her own self-image. That is one hell of a thing to do with a scene involving a "villain" literally stabbing one of the heroes in the soul with a knife. Gatchaman Crowds is the best.
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I look forward to all the pretty sparkles when Hajime and Tsubasa clash.
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NowonSA posted:If it was a female to male transformation, it'd be interesting to see Rui's reaction to that. No it wouldn't
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Given Katze's cheerful gender-fluidity in S1, I'd assume that the Gatchaman team is just used to this sort of thing from aliens by now. Besides, it's not like Gelsadra's human form was ever anything more than person-shaped cloud in the first place. It's open (and likely fruitless) speculation whether his species even has gender or biological sexes.
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.jpg posted:No it wouldn't I didnt read that post before because it was frickin Long but NowonSA posted:Ha, I knew that opening the voting up so literally anyone of any age can both vote and be a candidate was going to be a huge mistake, and then 3 minutes later it was proven true. Kids and women are going to vote for Gel like crazy, Why would this be true.
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Men HATE peace.
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Especially Japanese men.
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NowonSA posted:The whole reason Gel changes his form here is to be older and more electable, and given his voice and mannerisms until that point I think it's entirely possible that Gel went from a more feminine appearance/gender to masculine to be a more appealing candidate, and doesn't really have a set gender as Earth understands it. I mean, I was certainly thinking Gel was female all along, and now he's clearly a male bishie. It might just be done as a reference to the original though, and you can also certainly make a case that he was just a young boy with a high pitched voice earlier. If it was a female to male transformation, it'd be interesting to see Rui's reaction to that. I don't think Gel has a biological sex in this case. The alien made of wind is probably her true form. The transformation here was for sure a reference to the original series. As the reason for the original Gel being aged up was to appear as a more fitting leader.
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Interesting that Paiman is also between Hajime and Tsubasa during that park scene.
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i am really sick of that pinstriped pumpkin millione i wonder how the prime minister is gonna take being stabbed in the back by the gatchamen like this?
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Condiv posted:i am really sick of that pinstriped pumpkin millione his show's theme is great tho' Can't wait for the OST.
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Condiv posted:i am really sick of that pinstriped pumpkin millione He's so awful and I love it.
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He's going to screw them over and then they're going to say Birdo GO and kick his rear end
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I still enjoy and value Katze's commentary on this season and hope he becomes the main character.
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.jpg posted:He's going to screw them over and then they're going to say Birdo GO and kick his rear end He's cool
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Nuebot posted:I still enjoy and value Katze's commentary on this season and hope he becomes the main character. Stupid bitch!
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Lmfao i missed this earlier, but saw it when i did my weekly check in on .jpg's youtube channel 
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Hey, that's interesting - Millione referred to Gel as '-kun' and Tsubasa as 'chan' there. Guess that's at least one character who always thought of him as a guy.
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-Troika- posted:When is the single of the OP for this being released? Both the OP and ED are coming out on Aug. 5th. Edit: Here is the short music video ver. of the OP. The full ver. is on the internet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo5rUDYDXuk Here is the music video of the ED. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkrMTXBczbk psyer fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Huh, I had no idea the vocalist of the Crowds OPs was male.
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Einander posted:When it comes down to it, Tsubasa basically stormed in there because seeing Rui in pain and not doing anything made her feel bad, which is basically the least heroic motivation possible. In the process, she interrupted an attempt to make a counterpoint about Crowds and to redeem someone who could help "update the world"... So she basically just stomped all over Rui's dream for the sake of her own self-image. I don't know if I can really agree with this since Rui's soul was literally getting stabbed over and over. It's not really being naive or selfish to think someone is going to die from that.
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Momomo posted:I don't know if I can really agree with this since Rui's soul was literally getting stabbed over and over. It's not really being naive or selfish to think someone is going to die from that. Regardless of that, Rui had made it clear she didn't want anyone interfering. At that point Tsubasa was saying that her self-image of heroes was more important then Rui's desire to update the world, because Tsubasa wouldn't be able to deal with not saving someone who was right in front of her. Its not necessarily a bad thing, but its pretty clear that Tsubasa was fighting her own personal demons when she did so, not out of pure-hearted goodness for Rui. e: Effectively, you get into a Whose Life Is It Anyway? conundrum. Rui was ready to die for her ideals, and whether you think thats idiotic or heroic, the fact is it was Rui's choice to make. Tsubasa took that choice away. Arianya fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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I may be remembering wrong, but I don't think Rui identifies as female.
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chumbler posted:I may be remembering wrong, but I don't think Rui identifies as female. Translation uses he, and I believe Rui just likes to crossdress. Idk about the sexual preferences of the character tho
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chumbler posted:I may be remembering wrong, but I don't think Rui identifies as female. More of a slip on my part then anything.
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Normie Slayer posted:Huh, I had no idea the vocalist of the Crowds OPs was male. I remember hearing once that Rui was based partly on him? Not sure if that's true though. Tsubasa was real on point this episode. It's easy to break down humanity into "dangerously stupid" and "merely stupid" when you start with the assumption that you're at the favorable end of the bell curve.
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Momomo posted:I don't know if I can really agree with this since Rui's soul was literally getting stabbed over and over. It's not really being naive or selfish to think someone is going to die from that. Yeah, I don't know if I agree with it entirely, but part of the point is that it's up for argument, and Tsubasa doesn't even recognize that; her problem is that she's confusing ends and means. She's focused on saving people, not that people are saved. If you're focused on what you want instead of what other people want, then you can't really claim the mantle of "hero." Mr. Fowl posted:I remember hearing once that Rui was based partly on him? Not sure if that's true though. But saying "that's so arrogant" and sticking to idealism is equally easy--the thing about that sort of idealism is that it can't fail, you can just always No True Scotsman any failures. "Sure, that was a failure, but he wasn't really ideal because--" If you blindly accept either answer, then you're being equally lazy. Both sides of the argument are the exact same kind of condescending... But of course, saying "both sides are wrong" and therefore refusing to pick a side doesn't accomplish anything either. I think you can sum up this season so far as, "But it isn't that simple." "Giving everyone the power of Crowds will democraticize the world and enable personal responsibility! ...but it isn't that simple." "Heroes can save the day! ...but it isn't that simple." "Rui has the right to face the leader of the red Crowds, to prove the ideal of 'updating the world'... but it isn't that simple." "We can defeat Vape if we defeat the leader! ...but it isn't that simple." "We can reach world peace by uniting all of our hearts! ...but it isn't that simple."
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Thanks for making this thread, clicked on a whim, am now currently binging the first season. I am ashamed I've never heard of this series before. This show is so awesome.
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I remember from the original season, the creator said Rui just likes pretty things, so he wears dresses.
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From the times Rui cross-dressed, and the times he did not back in S1, my sense was that he viewed it as a sort of social armour, that let him overcome some kind of personal social anxiety. It's like a gatchaman transformation. I don't think he is transgender in the simple sense, then, because I don't see gender as actually important to him. Her. They. I'm not sure the pronoun actually really matters in this case. I really don't see Rui as giving a drat. That's how I read the character anyway. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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So given the indirect focus in the first few episodes with Tsubasa's grandfather and his dead brother I decided to brush up on some info I vaguely remembered about the rise of Japanese nationalism that eventually lead to their imperial expansions and actions in WW2. Near the end of the 19th century up till around 1925 japan started to pass several laws which stifled dissidence culminating in the Peace Preservation Law of 1925. It criminalized any ideas that would infringe on the "Kokutai" or national body/sovereignty/identity. It was mostly used to crack down on organizations that promoted communism/socialism/republicanism/democracy/etc, anything that would rock the boat. Japan created a special task force dedicated to persecuting these groups, called the Tokkou, or sometimes known colloquially as "Shiso Keisatsu" the Thought Police, this is years before Orwell popularized the term. Mind you, most Japanese at the time didn't mind this mostly because a few days after passing the PPL universal male suffrage was approved. The foundation for a similar conflict is being built in the show right now, some by people that actually try to do good. Some that are just about business. Of course, Hajime is the only one that's actually grasped whats happening right now and of course she cant really explain it to people yet. But like the first season I'm guessing people will eventually understand what shes going on about. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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