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" hey that funking loser criminal Maori gently caress gets a free education for doing crime maybe I should Fukin murder someone so I get my phd for free" - a loving dork.
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Jul 25, 2015 10:18
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:" hey that funking loser criminal Maori gently caress gets a free education for doing crime maybe I should Fukin murder someone so I get my phd for free" - a loving dork. This is almost word for word something a 27 year old who works as a pre-school teacher once said to me, though you're missing the bit about bringing back hard labour.
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Jul 25, 2015 10:24
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:We don't want criminals becoming doctors. Not vice versa?
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Jul 25, 2015 10:25
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What if we followed a model with an incredibly low recidivism rate instead of one that legally allows the use of prisoners as slaves to line the pockets of rich assholes?????
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Jul 25, 2015 10:26
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:What if we followed a model with an incredibly low recidivism rate instead of one that legally allows the use of prisoners as slaves to line the pockets of rich assholes????? it would mean people wouldn't get puinished enough  the lady was like "people want to get into prison to become a doctor" and I said "that says more about the lovely state of society that prison is an appealing alternative" and she said "prison is too cruisy. its too nice" welp there was no use. shes also real like "this person got 100 codeine just the other day" and im like "the doctor knows, he prescribed it".. "but isnt it wrong" so glad shes not the pharmacist
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Jul 25, 2015 10:29
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I think people who have smelled Mary Juana should be sentenced to death, IMO!
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Jul 25, 2015 10:34
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Cripes I don't want to die
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Jul 25, 2015 10:39
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In this lovely society, that would mean that smoking weed would skyrocket and official suicide rates would plummet.
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Jul 25, 2015 10:48
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:What if we followed a model with an incredibly low recidivism rate instead of one that legally allows the use of prisoners as slaves to line the pockets of rich assholes????? I don't see how rich people benefit more from low recidivism rates rather than privatised prisons and slave labour.
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Jul 25, 2015 11:04
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echinopsis posted:it would mean people wouldn't get puinished enough Stick her in prison see how cruisey it is for her. There are issues with the justice system as with almost every system but I would rather have an educated person emerge than someone who goes straight to the meth supplier
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Jul 25, 2015 11:07
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me too
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Jul 25, 2015 11:08
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Jul 25, 2015 11:30
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:smugmrgw:
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Jul 25, 2015 12:52
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Put John Key in prison, make him fight Winston. Broadcast to the nation, finally balance the budget. Pls elect me for pm I got this poo poo on lock
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Jul 25, 2015 13:02
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Which is great as we are supposedly an advanced civilisation or some poo poo but you know, killing people, stealing poo poo that ain't yours or beating the poo poo out of people ain't cool and has an effect that requires at least a sense of adequate justice. Maybe adequate justice shouldn't be thought of in terms of suffering but rather in terms of fixing the problem that led to the initial grievance? Or making up for it somehow? How does the sacrifice of years of one person's life make the world a better place? Like, in the best case, it makes the world less of a bad place but I don't see how it fixes anything.
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Jul 25, 2015 13:47
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I understand that point, however it needs to be balanced with accounting for the crime. But recidivism rates are depressingly high.
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Jul 25, 2015 20:53
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Somfin posted:Maybe adequate justice shouldn't be thought of in terms of suffering but rather in terms of fixing the problem that led to the initial grievance?
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Jul 25, 2015 20:57
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Somfin posted:
Some people literally just thing bad thing needs to be punished. A lot of prison is driven by the simple concept
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Jul 25, 2015 21:08
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There's a Worksafe protest setting up out front of the Conference. Going to be awkward when most of the members don't disagree with the protesters.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:25
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Butt Wizard posted:There's a Worksafe protest setting up out front of the Conference. Going to be awkward when most of the members don't disagree with the protesters. It doesn't matter one squit if they agree with the protesters or not, if they're not going to do a loving thing to tangibly improve worker safety.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:23
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Jul 26, 2015 00:49
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Wonder what he's selling off this time?
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Jul 26, 2015 01:33
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Cumslut1895 posted:How would you suggest a serial child rapist/murderer 'make up for it' I don't know. Maybe they can't. Surely you can agree that making that person suffer in response doesn't actually help anything? echinopsis posted:Some people literally just thing bad thing needs to be punished. A lot of prison is driven by the simple concept Who benefits from the punishment? Why does our view of punishment default to 'stay in this box for X years?'
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Jul 26, 2015 01:50
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Somfin posted:I don't know. Maybe they can't. Surely you can agree that making that person suffer in response doesn't actually help anything Yeah no. If i was a parent in that situation I'd pretty much want him to suffer forever
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Jul 26, 2015 01:51
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There's a reason victims of a crime don't get to choose the punishment for that crime
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Jul 26, 2015 01:53
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Exclamation Marx posted:There's a reason victims of a crime don't get to choose the punishment for that crime You can go too far in the other direction and end up with Anders Brevrik playing his PlayStation and working on his PhD when he should have been executed
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Jul 26, 2015 01:55
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It's the mark of a civilised society not to suspend rule of law even in the most challenging circumstances, I think. And there's a reason why Norway has such a low rate of recidivism.
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Jul 26, 2015 02:10
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Cumslut1895 posted:Yeah no. If i was a parent in that situation I'd pretty much want him to suffer forever How would that help anything, though? Cumslut1895 posted:You can go too far in the other direction and end up with Anders Brevrik playing his PlayStation and working on his PhD when he should have been executed You're trying to tell me that a prisoner having fun makes things worse? You're trying to tell me that a prisoner getting an education makes things worse?
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Jul 26, 2015 02:12
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I think it's clear we need to go back to an emotion-based eye for an eye type thing with no peer oversight on "justice", because individuals taking it into their own hands to right problems and/or punish perceived wrongdoers is what this society is based on. When has a bereaved family member, or even an uninformed 3rd party's opinion on anything ever been wrong?
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Jul 26, 2015 02:23
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mirthdefect posted:I think it's clear we need to go back to an emotion-based eye for an eye type thing with no peer oversight on "justice", because individuals taking it into their own hands to right problems and/or punish perceived wrongdoers is what this society is based on. If he he managed to convince you that he'd got all the murder out of his system (not sorry, just not interested in doing it again)would you be happy to let him go?
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Jul 26, 2015 03:35
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Oh, there seems to be some confusion. You're under the impression that that was a response directed to you, when in actual fact it was mocking you and your opinions which are so egregiously terrible that they don't merit any form of good-faith response. That's my fault, I should have been clearer. Apologies for the mix up.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:02
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Cumslut1895 posted:If he he managed to convince you that he'd got all the murder out of his system (not sorry, just not interested in doing it again)would you be happy to let him go? Because that's now how it works, you wally.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:05
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Somfin posted:
Not that I necessary agree with this, but no one has to, it's something the person deserves. It's not about anything else than punishing a person for doing bad. quote:
Interesting question.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:09
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echinopsis posted:Not that I necessary agree with this, but no one has to, it's something the person deserves. It's not about anything else than punishing a person for doing bad. You're free to believe that, but I'd rather focus be put on rehabilitation and prevention.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:15
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Cumslut1895 posted:If he he managed to convince you that he'd got all the murder out of his system (not sorry, just not interested in doing it again)would you be happy to let him go? So are you saying you support mandatory life sentences with no chance of parole for anyone convicted of murder or voluntary manslaughter? echinopsis posted:If there isn't enough punishment at all, prison isn't a deterrent. How would you feel about someone committing a crime so that they would be sent to jail, for the benefits that prison provides. If prison is pleasant and nice enough, and the outside world grows ever unappealing, then it stands to reason people would want to do that. Even if it were 'pleasant and nice enough', the vast, vast majority of people who might even consider committing minor crimes because they want to have their basic means provided for probably are not going to want to be incarcerated with violent offenders, and gang members. El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Jul 26, 2015 04:21
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Somfin posted:You're trying to tell me that a prisoner having fun makes things worse? You're trying to tell me that a prisoner getting an education makes things worse? In the case that people out in the world have to suffer huge student loans to study, yet a prisoner can be "rewarded" for commiting a crime with free board/food and education.... Vagabundo posted:You're free to believe that, but I'd rather focus be put on rehabilitation and prevention. Me too. Seems to me there should be two main aspects of prison, retribution and rehabilitation. Or do you not think retribution is worth considering? I don't know enough about these things to comment but I can question. It's easy to think that if prison is bad enough, it's enough of a deterrent so people don't commit crimes because they don't want to go to jail. This doesn't always work coz some US prisons are terrible places but they have massive rates of incarceration. Although they also lock people up for stupid poo poo so you can't really say it does or doesn't work. If there isn't enough punishment at all, prison isn't a deterrent. How would you feel about someone committing a crime so that they would be sent to jail, for the benefits that prison provides. If prison is pleasant and nice enough, and the outside world grows ever unappealing, then it stands to reason people would want to do that.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:22
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Somfin posted:Who benefits from the punishment? If punishment for a crime is a deterrent of a crime then the punishment needs to be executed for the deterrent to work. Otherwise it would be a pointless empty threat
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Jul 26, 2015 04:24
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echinopsis posted:Seems to me there should be two main aspects of prison, retribution and rehabilitation. Or do you not think retribution is worth considering? I don't think it should be a priority at all, to be honest. Because... echinopsis posted:If punishment for a crime is a deterrent of a crime then the punishment needs to be executed for the deterrent to work. Otherwise it would be a pointless empty threat if one were to look at things such as recidivism and crime rates, states where the focus of prisons is punishment tend to have higher numbers. There's a reason why, as Exclamation Marx has mentioned, places like the Scandinavian states have remarkably low recidivism rates. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Jul 26, 2015 04:26
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So what's the disadvantage to going to prison then? How would you feel about someone committing a crime just to get into jail?
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Jul 26, 2015 04:28
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echinopsis posted:So what's the disadvantage to going to prison then? How would you feel about someone committing a crime just to get into jail? If going to prison is seen as a preferable alternative to not being incarcerated, then that society has failed to begin with. I'm guessing you're just playing the devil's advocate here, but that is an astoundingly stupid loving argument.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:30
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