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Cumslut1895, how did you come to be less liberally-minded than the 1960 National Government?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:23
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Exclamation Marx posted:Cumslut1895, how did you come to be less liberally-minded than the 1960 National Government? I'm a time traveling Young Conservative
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Jul 26, 2015 09:26
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Serious question for Cumslut1895: Based on the outcome of their original trials, should Arthur Allan Thomas, David Bain and Teina Pora have been executed for the crimes they were accused of? What about notable cases overseas like Mahmood Mattan, Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley or Ruth Ellis? What about Walter James Bolton? Are you comfortable with his execution for murder in 1957?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:28
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Cumslut1895 posted:lol okay buddy I am serious - is there an adult or care giver with you? I'd like to chat with them.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:29
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Jul 26, 2015 09:30
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Vagabundo posted:Serious question for Cumslut1895: Yes, at the time of the trials i would have advocated that. I would have been wrong. It's worth pointing out that falsely imprisoning someone for the best decades of their life, and leaving them with no career, family or friends, as well as an inability to make new connections with anyone is almost as bad as executing them As a funny aside, I googled Teina Pora, and the sidebar said: Born: June 9, 1975 (age 40)
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Jul 26, 2015 09:32
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Cumslut1895 posted:Yes, at the time of the trials i would have advocated that. I would have been wrong. It's worth pointing out that falsely imprisoning someone for the best decades of their life, and leaving them with no career, family or friends, as well as an inability to make new connections with anyone is almost as bad as executing them So you would have demanded that 2 demonstrably innocent people be basically murdered, and another where there is significant doubt about his alleged guilt. And what about the executions of Mattan, Evans, Bentley, Ellis and Bolton? Are you fine with those? Remember, they were found guilty of the crimes they were accused of, and executed shortly afterwards.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:36
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It's great that once in a while a total weirdo drops by this thread and really unites us all.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:38
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:It's great that once in a while a total weirdo drops by this thread and really unites us all. I didn't even mind that dusty posted!
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Jul 26, 2015 09:39
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Cumslut1895 posted:Either the person passing the sentence, or one of the main people giving evidence should have to pull the trigger. I do not believe you have thought this all the way through, professor cumslut.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:39
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Vagabundo posted:So you would have demanded that 2 demonstrably innocent people be basically murdered, and another where there is significant doubt about his alleged guilt. Obviously not with the facts known now. I know there is a problem with lazy police work convicting innocent people. I didn't say this earlier, but execution should only apply in cases where there is no possible misidentity*, circumstantial evidence is not enough. In the case I linked earlier, they were at a 'family gathering' and presumably someone saw them do it. * clear camera footage, multiple witnesses, very clear DNA evidence that fits other evidence etc.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:42
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Derek Bentley didn't even pull the trigger, so what was actually supposed to execute him?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:42
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Rube Goldberg machine.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:43
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All points of view warmly accepted.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:44
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If the machine is triggered by him sneezing, does it count as a suicide?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:44
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Vagabundo posted:Derek Bentley didn't even pull the trigger, so what was actually supposed to execute him? I don't support those 'criminal partnership' laws Infotainment! posted:I do not believe you have thought this all the way through, professor cumslut. Huh?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:45
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Cumslut1895 posted:Obviously not with the facts known now. I know there is a problem with lazy police work convicting innocent people. So you support a third verdict; Extremely Guilty?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:48
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"Cumslut1895" posted:
Walk down the street, see a murder. Get subpoenaed to the witness stand. Do not purjor yourself. Congrats, you now have to kill someone.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:49
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Cumslut1895 posted:Obviously not with the facts known now. I know there is a problem with lazy police work convicting innocent people. But a second ago, you said you would have been fine with calling for executions for people that were likely to be, or have a very high possibility of innocence. Have you actually thought your argument through?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:49
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Were executions done before cameras and DNA evidence illegitimate? Or is ancient Jewish law OK, where all you need is 2 witnesses for someone to be stoned? I feel like the less generalized a death penalty argument becomes, the less relevance it has in the real world and the more it becomes some strange, aggressive form of moral superiority. But hey, what do I know. I'm not a cumslut!
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Jul 26, 2015 09:50
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Cumslut 1895, a serious question: What do you think the purpose of the justice system is?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:51
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You know, at the end of the day, I don't want my society to kill fellow human beings. Weird. Therefore I don't want the state to do it on my behalf. Strange.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:52
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Cumslut1895 posted:I don't support those 'criminal partnership' laws Really? Despite the fact that earlier, you said you would have supported the death sentence imposed on Derek Bentley at the time of his trial. Cumslut1895 posted:
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Jul 26, 2015 09:53
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Exclamation Marx posted:So you support a third verdict; Extremely Guilty? There are already two standards of certantity in the criminal court, and they are connected to the severity of the punishments that can be handed out, why not add another Infotainment! posted:Walk down the street, see a murder. Get subpoenaed to the witness stand. Yes okay, you have a good point. Probably not a good idea to scare away witnessess Vagabundo posted:But a second ago, you said you would have been fine with calling for executions for people that were likely to be, or have a very high possibility of innocence. I didn't read the details of the case. Obviously, if the evidence was poo poo, they shouldn't have been convicted of anything Vagabundo posted:Really? Despite the fact that earlier, you said you would have supported the death sentence imposed on Derek Bentley at the time of his trial. Did you really expect me to google like seven names?!?!
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Jul 26, 2015 09:53
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Somfin posted:Cumslut 1895, a serious question: What do you think the purpose of the justice system is? The brutal extermination of human beings with little to no oversight on how or why it's done, obviously
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Jul 26, 2015 09:53
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I welcome this
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Jul 26, 2015 09:55
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Cumslut1895 posted:I didn't read the details 
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Jul 26, 2015 09:55
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Cumslut1895 posted:I didn't read the details of the case. Obviously, if the evidence was poo poo, they shouldn't have been convicted of anything So you'd be perfectly comfortable with calling for the deaths of people without giving much thought or scrutiny into the cases presented against them. Good to know. Cumslut1895 posted:Did you really expect me to google like seven names?!?! Yes, you lazy gently caress.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:56
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Bad person do bad thing? Do bad thing to them! *goes back to painting on cave wall with wet ash*
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Jul 26, 2015 09:57
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Somfin posted:Cumslut 1895, a serious question: What do you think the purpose of the justice system is? 3 Things: 1) help people who can actually be helped to stop hurting society 2) Contain people who can't be helped 3) Allow victims to have at some sense of revenge* by ensuring their victimizers are suffering to some degree *Important to stop feeling helpless
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Jul 26, 2015 09:57
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Vagabundo posted:So you'd be perfectly comfortable with calling for the deaths of people without giving much thought or scrutiny into the cases presented against them. Good to know. uh, i'm guessing that the court system has a little more information about cases than the google database
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Jul 26, 2015 09:58
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Maybe you should your views on Justice here. They would er, appreciate it more. But seriously, your "Views" are horrifying in content and lack of thought. Comedy option: Kill everyone as everyone is guilty of something and man exists as nothing more than a miserable pile of secrets.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:58
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gently caress me, we're just talking about overhauling our entire criminal justice system to be drastically more fatal than anyone sensible would be comfortable with - why should I need to read anything or be prepared to back my arguments up? What is this, Nazi Germany? E: I went to take a dump and then there were like ten posts. Someone will give me a precis if it was important, right?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:58
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Cumslut1895 posted:3 Things: Yeah, you've really made a compelling argument for that, haven't you?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:59
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Cumslut1895 posted:3) Allow victims to have at some sense of revenge* by ensuring their victimizers are suffering to some degree I actually do agree with you on the first two points. Why this last one?
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Jul 26, 2015 09:59
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, you've really made a compelling argument for that, haven't you? He wants to help them become their true selves, skeletons.
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Jul 26, 2015 10:00
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, you've really made a compelling argument for that, haven't you? this does not include people who set other people on fire. Somfin posted:I actually do agree with you on the first two points. Seeing the people who did horrible things to them hurt makes people feel better. People don't like to admit this, but it's true. and I care more about the victims than the perpetrators.
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Jul 26, 2015 10:00
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Cumslut I am interested cos I like points of view  What about Peter kitchen? A lot of grief for his loss, killed after a group of drunk and doped out youths went out looking for homosexuals to beat up in Napier. Beat Peter to death for being gay. Killers received manslaughter convictions and were out after less than 5 years served.
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Jul 26, 2015 10:01
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Cumslut1895 posted:this does not include people who set other people on fire. What about Ruth Ellis' victim?
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Jul 26, 2015 10:01
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Vagabundo posted:What about Ruth Ellis' victim? He sounds like an rear end in a top hat, but he didn't deserve to die. What's special about her case? Displeased Moo Cow posted:Cumslut I am interested cos I like points of view that's exactly the kind of poo poo I'm talking about. 5 years for beating someone to death
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