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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Gravel Gravy posted:

Impossible given that after producing facts and evidence if they still make the same argument then they are trolling.

Great, then they'll get probated, assuming a mod notices or they get reported. I'm failing to see what the big gotcha is here.

Gravel Gravy posted:

Given that libertarianism and conservatism has gotten pretty anti-intellectual I don't understand how that would jive with "debate and discussion".

Yeah, so they will fail on their own merits, which repeatedly is happening now that they can get a bad word in sideways before the usual suspects come in and trash a thread with bad arguments if that that make the OP look sane and reasonable in comparison.

With, again, the added benefit that people don't get stifled just because one of the career trolls misread what they wrote and decided they were Bad Posters and Bad People (tm).

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Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Disinterested posted:

but idk I just got in from being worn down from the man, after I eat this bag of oats maybe i'll grow revolutionary fervor back
I'm sorry but it's not to be

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
sgdq has all these people donating to name a save file on games and everyone is just suckin off iwata

it's funny as heck

and now the top three nerds in the WORLD at playing donkey kong country are racing to beat it fastest

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

fade5 posted:

The first 100ish pages were actually okay because people were doing some sort of honest and interesting religious discussion

then Kyrie just kept on being an idiot, people stopped bothering to debate honestly, and it turned to poo poo

there were at least 3 occasions where the thread went for a week without posts and should have just been locked

kyrie's thread brought us cow on crack so it's not all bad

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Badger of Basra posted:

kyrie's thread brought us cow on crack so it's not all bad

oh jesus i had finally forgotten that

has he come back again?

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Badger of Basra posted:

kyrie's thread brought us cow on crack so it's not all bad

lmao

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
someone hit me up with the first youtube channel that does good quality recordings of the sgdq streams for the good games tia

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
last post june 18

dang

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Badger of Basra posted:

kyrie's thread brought us cow on crack so it's not all bad
This is true.

Hey AA, should D&D have to engage cowoncrack earnestly, or just troll the poo poo out of him?

(The only correct answer is "troll the poo poo out of him", by the way.)

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Nintendo Kid posted:

someone hit me up with the first youtube channel that does good quality recordings of the sgdq streams for the good games tia

probably the GDQ youtube channel!

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

fade5 posted:

This is true.

Hey AA, should D&D have to engage cowoncrack earnestly, or just troll the poo poo out of him?

(The only correct answer is "troll the poo poo out of him", by the way.)

aa for reference here is a cowoncrack post

quote:

A recent experience in romance has led me to reflect on the nature of romantic relationships and come to some conclusions that I would love to hear other viewpoints on.

A basic question to ask is: can we objectively decide who is better off with who in a romantic relationship? In our society the answer is not really, we decide whoever we want to be with based on whatever criteria we invent. This means that no case can be made that, for example, if I was longing after someone in what I considered to be a poor, unhealthy relationship for them for their sake, I risk being labeled all sorts of horrible things when it seems to me that my intentions are sincere.

I would argue that it IS possible to (more or less) objectively evaluate human relationships as long as we have a destination with which to orient them - marriage. I have stated openly that I am a fundamentalist Christian and believe firmly in God's plan for marriage. Without it, I believe human romantic relationships can become chaotic with no direction and clarity. My experience recent experience has taught me that the heartache involved in these things, and the reality of a world where marriage isn't a priority, is very grim and unpleasant.

I believe that a happy marriage is the key to fulfillment in romance. I wrote the following essay while I was in love with someone who had a boyfriend, but was struggling to let it go:

The Art of Love
an Essay by CowOnCrack

Dedicated to my Grandmother, 94 years young, sharp as a razor, and therefore still remembers how things are supposed to work.

The Nature of Love

Men and Women are fundamentally different, but complementary in a way that makes it impossible to distinguish their roles.

To men, the fundamental nature of love is that men give, and women receive. By giving, men receive. By receiving, men give.

To a woman, the fundamental nature of love is that women give, and men receive. By giving, women receive. By receiving, women give.

From the male point of view, when a woman receives the love and affection of a man, he is happy and fulfilled. In effect, when a woman receives love from a man, she is giving happiness and fulfillment to him. True love is selfless.

From the female point of view, when a man receives the love and affection of a woman, a woman is happy and fulfilled. When a man receives the love of a woman, he is giving happiness and fulfillment to her. True love is selfless.

Giving and receiving are actually, in this case, two sides of the same coin. We lack better words to describe it because they are semantically equal. Giving and receiving end up being the same.

This duality is mirrored in the act of intercourse itself. Love is the most powerful force of human nature, pulling two people together in order to become married, have a family, work alongside each other, grow old together, and die in each others' arms. This is what everyone wants, even if it takes a lifetime for them to never realize it.

Love is a life creating force. Sex is the life creating instrument of this force. Creating life is the ultimate commitment, the ultimate responsibility, and the purpose of life itself. Without it there would be no life. Unless two people are in love (and married), they have no business creating life or making use of this instrument.

Society has taken the life-giving force and stripped it of the life-giving, the commitment, and even the emotional bonding of a couple in love, leaving only the carnal act of lust and pleasure.

This is an abomination, and the result of this has been an attack on love itself and the world of relationships is in chaos as a result. The amount of suffering and heartache that is taking place is a clear indication that the natural order of love is under attack.

Sex should only take place in a married, full commitment, with the purpose of creating or at least accepting the chance of creating life (a family). Even if we have the means to avoid that responsibility with our clever tools, our brains and our bodies haven't forgotten what sex means. Love is the force of nature, and sex is the instrument. By separating the two, we have introduced endless pain and woe into our hearts, minds, and souls.

Sex without love is an abomination.

Communicating Love

Love is an act of rhetoric.

Rhetoric means an act of persuasion.

All communication is rhetorical, in other words, all communication both verbal and nonverbal contains persuasive power.

Romance is, if you want to call it a game (a pathetic, inadequate word for something so powerful and mysterious in my opinion), is a cooperative game where we are all trying to find the person we will be happiest with. Compatibility is the key, because who we are compatible with is who we will fall in love the easiest with and enjoy life with, thus creating a harmonious foundation for a family.

The key to success in the world of romance is for both men and women to engage in open, honest communication about their feelings.

Everything is an act of communication - how much time you spend with someone, how much you come to rely on their support (emotional, financial, logistical, or otherwise), how much you talk to them (regardless of content), how you act around them and what gestures you use, as well as what you say to them, are all cues that the romantic "computer" inside our brain receives as input to decide if affection and love is being communicated.

Because 93% of communication is nonverbal according to a UCLA study, that means only 7% of communication is considered 'valid' even though our romantic minds make use of the other 93%. That means the room for error is enormous in the world of relationships without openness and honesty between men and women about the other ways we communicate.

For example, if there is a woman who says she likes a guy as a 'friend', but then frequently spends time with him and relies on him for emotional support, logistical support, and even financial support, her words don't match the other (up to) 93% of her rhetoric. If this is willful dishonesty on her part, this is emotional predation, also known sometimes as the "friendzone". This is a form of harassing men.

There is no such thing as the 'friendzone', only men and women submitting to willful dishonesty. Concepts invented on 90's television rarely have any basis in reality.

The Formula of Happiness and Fulfillment

Here is the formula for happiness in a relationship:

Man + Woman + Love = Marriage + Family

Simple. Everything else is either a means to this end, or meaningless.

Quality

Quality is simply a judgment of whether or not you would want to marry this person and raise a family with them. We are all naturally quite capable of determining this. If we are trying to duck the responsibility of marriage, than we are awful human beings who are content to be like Man 2 and Woman 2. If we believe that the life-creating force is our responsibility since it brought us into existence, we strive to be like Man 1 and Woman 1.

There are two kinds of men on opposite ends of the "quality" spectrum.

Man 1 (marriage material): Hardworking, ethical, responsible, mature, loving, compassionate, selfless.

Man 2 (waste of life): Lazy, unethical, irresponsible, immature, lusting, selfish.

There are two kinds of women on opposite ends of the "quality" spectrum.

Woman 1 (marriage material): Hardworking, ethical, responsible, mature, loving, compassionate, selfless.

Woman 2 (waste of life): Lazy, unethical, irresponsible, immature, lusting, selfish.

Possible Formulas

Formula 1: Man 1 (Good) + Woman 1 (Good)

Result: A happy marriage in the making. Hallelujah!

Formula 2: Man 1 (Good) + Woman 2 (Bad)

Result: Called "Friendzone." Woman is willfully dishonest that she prefers Man 1, even while being single, or dating or being in a relationship with Man 2, and tries to get as much as she can from him without the commitment. She may be also in denial about Man 2, and therefore preys on Man 1 to receive the things that matter in life while using Man 2 for other ends.

By relying on the fact that 93% of communication is nonverbal, she can say he is a 'friend' while leading him on with the rest of her rhetoric. Anyone who willfully engages in this behavior is a predator, and an awful waste of life. Any woman who does this, even after a man tells her how she feels, still calls him a friend, and then threatens him with harassment when he spots deceit, is a monster (*ahem*, I am a man and I have recent experience, but I won't say who).

Formula 2: Woman 1 (Good) + Man 2 (Bad)

Result: Should also be called "Friendzone". The responsible woman wants to help Man 2 change, but he never will, because he's receiving everything he needs without ever having to commit to being like Man 1. Man 2 is leading Woman 1 on. Man 2 may use baiting tactics such as flirting, flattery, and other subversive means to prey on Woman 1's compassion and get things from her that don't belong to him. Anyone who willfully engages in this is a predator, and an awful waste of life.

Formula 2: Woman 2 (Bad) + Man 2 (Bad)

Result: A travesty.

Conclusion

The key to success in your relationships, friends, is to seek open and honest communication and remember to let your instincts trust words as only 7% of the picture. Be extremely discerning about anyone who claims they want you as their 'friend'.

What is friendship you ask? Friendship is merely the respectful equilibrium between two people who are not yet romantically interested in each other. Where friendship ends and romance begins is a naturally nebulous barrier between Men and Women. There will always be difficulty until the man or the woman is happily married and in a full commitment. Where that equilibrium exists rests on the calculations of compatibility that our romantic minds make, and is always subject to change as certain people work on being better people and others let their standards for themselves slide.

After all, if you are a man, would you let a lazy, irresponsible woman be the mother of your child?

If you are a woman, would you let a lazy, irresponsible man be the father of your child?

Thank you for reading!

Obviously, this essay is a work of rhetoric that uses extremes and balanced language to make a point. It reflects my point of view in that time and space when and where I had a bit of an axe to grind. The main point of the essay is that 'friendzone' is a bunk concept - someone who spends a lot of time with you, whether or not they have a boyfriend, is clearly communicating affection and a desire to be near you. This is a perfectly legitimate grounds to believe a romantic relationship is possible and there is nothing wrong with seeking that as long as you are respectful and prepared to deal with the consequences of being rejected. I also believe that a boyfriend is not something I can respect too much - I believe in courting, and eventually marriage, which gives me legitimate grounds for doing what I did. I did eventually let this person go, although of course there was some drama, and of course I have some sour feelings that I have to process, but it was kept to a minimum by us both and in time I am confident we can forgive each other (in big part because we are both Christian).

I think the world of relationships without marriage to orient us is a naturally chaotic and unfulfilled place. Obviously, there are trade offs, pros, and cons, and I don't imagine anyone could follow this essay as some kind of Platonic ideal. We are living in a society in the West that is becoming post-marriage and people are adapting. Everyone and their backgrounds and situations are different, and could apply the concepts in this essay to their lives or not at all.

What do you all think of these ideas?

P.S. I spent last night in the emergency waiting room for food poisoning, so I'm a little wonky.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Gravel Gravy posted:

Could work as long as people tend to have controllable egos on an Internet form and don't intentionally block out contradictory evidence to save face
You assume they're arguing in good faith until proven otherwise?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

fade5 posted:

This is true.

Hey AA, should D&D have to engage cowoncrack earnestly, or just troll the poo poo out of him?

(The only correct answer is "troll the poo poo out of him", by the way.)

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that false dichotomy. He should be reported and get probation, which is what actually happened.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that false dichotomy. He should be reported and get probation, which is what actually happened.

okay and in the meantime he should be allowed to post unmolested, and any responses must be in good faith and treat his post seriously?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Literally The Worst posted:

probably the GDQ youtube channel!

are they actually going to be putting them up close on this time? for agdq it was like days+ delays

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
probation is not instantaneous aa and it is only a temporary solution in some cases

for example

cowoncrack

who would come back from probation as soon as it ended adn get even crazier

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Literally The Worst posted:

sgdq has all these people donating to name a save file on games and everyone is just suckin off iwata

it's funny as heck

and now the top three nerds in the WORLD at playing donkey kong country are racing to beat it fastest
Thanks for telling me about this, it is fun so far.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

Literally The Worst posted:

aa for reference here is a cowoncrack post

jesus

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Nintendo Kid posted:

are they actually going to be putting them up close on this time? for agdq it was like days+ delays

gently caress if i know i'm only halfway watching it rn

i only glanced at the schedule super fast but the only one that jumped out was a dark souls 2 run with a 2 players 1 controller incentive

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax
Dickeye, back off for a bit please

Go do something else and come back when you're less angry

He's not gonna listen anyway

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

i wonder if he was the lafayette shooter

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Literally The Worst posted:

probation is not instantaneous aa and it is only a temporary solution in some cases

for example

cowoncrack

who would come back from probation as soon as it ended adn get even crazier

He hasn't come back yet, and when people persist in doing stupid poo poo, that's when the 6-hours come in to stop them while the longer probation/ban is being processed. There are procedures in place, you are never forced to actually engage with such a person, and it also doesn't work, because clowning has never stopped anyone like cowoncrack or jRod from continuing to post. They're basically, again, really bad evidence for your argument.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

the backstory is cowoncrack stalked a girl who he was friends with and had a crush on and developed a victim complex when she spurned him, then when the college told him don't contact her anymore printed up that whole thing and had it spread around campus so she would see it because that's totally not contacting her

he sees nothing wrong with any of this and considers her to be a bad person

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

Literally The Worst posted:

sgdq has all these people donating to name a save file on games and everyone is just suckin off iwata

it's funny as heck

and now the top three nerds in the WORLD at playing donkey kong country are racing to beat it fastest

"hello yes I'd like to name literally everything that has an option for being named to be named iwata. all 7 characters in chrono trigger? iwata. DKC3 save file? iwata. my favorite food in earthbound? iwata. here's a $5 donation to making that happen"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Absurd Alhazred posted:

He hasn't come back yet

it took six months for that to happen aa

it was six months from that first probation until he finally stopped posting altogether

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Literally The Worst posted:

probation is not instantaneous aa and it is only a temporary solution in some cases

for example

cowoncrack

who would come back from probation as soon as it ended adn get even crazier
sorta like MIGF:v:

hmm...

(Notice, this is where I have reached my effortpost limit and have joined the rest of the thread in doing small two-line posts. I have stopped bothering to effortpost because I don't feel it's worth it anymore. When I feel effortposting will make a difference instead of just feeling like I'm pissing in the wind, I'll start effortposting again.)

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Great, then they'll get probated, assuming a mod notices or they get reported. I'm failing to see what the big gotcha is here.


Yeah, so they will fail on their own merits, which repeatedly is happening now that they can get a bad word in sideways before the usual suspects come in and trash a thread with bad arguments if that that make the OP look sane and reasonable in comparison.

With, again, the added benefit that people don't get stifled just because one of the career trolls misread what they wrote and decided they were Bad Posters and Bad People (tm).

Yes right wing trolls collapse on their arguments and don't just stop posting a while and start to rehash the same poo poo they spit out before.

You must be new here.

Disinterested
Jun 29, 2011

You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?
I don't think there is a rational argument to be had about how to moderate, it is fundamentally a stylistic question

AA, known ponytail-haver, has no style

ergo

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
in those six months he received 3 1-week probations and a month, plus a 3 day and some 6 hours

none of this clued him in to the fact that his poo poo wasn't welcome

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Disinterested posted:

I don't think there is a rational argument to be had about how to moderate, it is fundamentally a stylistic question

AA, known ponytail-haver, has no style

eqeta

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Literally The Worst posted:

it took six months for that to happen aa

it was six months from that first probation until he finally stopped posting altogether

Almost two months of which in total he's spent probated. You're pretending like that probation came in and then he was unmolested and free to post, when that is entirely not the case, as a glance at his rap sheet would show you.

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I'm sorry, but I disagree with that false dichotomy. He should be reported and get probation, which is what actually happened.




wake ga wakaranai yo

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

You assume they're arguing in good faith until proven otherwise?

Yes we need a letter of intent expressly saying that th ey dismiss any evidence presented against them and that they should still consider the alternative rule point.

It is how civilized discourse is conducted, much like Congress

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Is Dracula real?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Almost two months of which in total he's spent probated. You're pretending like that probation came in and then he was unmolested and free to post, when that is entirely not the case, as a glance at his rap sheet would show you.

if you missed the point any harder you would go all the way around the world and hit it on the return trip

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Literally The Worst posted:

in those six months he received 3 1-week probations and a month, plus a 3 day and some 6 hours

none of this clued him in to the fact that his poo poo wasn't welcome

Clowning didn't, either. But the difference between clowning and probation is that probation stops you from posting.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

shitposting detected

Disinterested
Jun 29, 2011

You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?

Sharkie posted:

Is Dracula real?

the book is, woeful piece of poo poo that it is

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

euphronius posted:

shitposting detected

How is your shitposting meter still working under these conditions?

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Clowning didn't, either. But the difference between clowning and probation is that probation stops you from posting.

only while the probation is in effect you fuckin doof

and sometimes not even then citation migf pms

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