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KomradeX posted:The Onion plays it straight yet again. It gets better: http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/do-you-know-why-im-pulling-you-over-being-wildly-a-50916 quote:Do You Know Why I’m Pulling You Over, Being Wildly Aggressive, And Charging You With Assault Today, Sir? 
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SedanChair posted:My barbecue-life exists in a quantum state, at the whim of Schrodinger's Cop. A minority in a car exists in a state of life until observed by a cop, at which point the trachea is collapsed.
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Jul 26, 2015 18:01
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Here's an article from a guy whose apartment got raided because he left his door open when he fell asleep and the neighbors saw him there and thought he was a squatter. The notable part of the article is the man's talk with the head of the police unit after the incident: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ml?tid=pm_pop_b quote:I got home from the bar and fell into bed soon after Saturday night bled into Sunday morning. I didn’t wake up until three police officers barged into my apartment, barking their presence at my door. They sped down the hallway to my bedroom, their service pistols drawn and leveled at me.
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Jul 26, 2015 20:29
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Zwabu posted:Here's an article from a guy whose apartment got raided because he left his door open when he fell asleep and the neighbors saw him there and thought he was a squatter. The notable part of the article is the man's talk with the head of the police unit after the incident: loving wow. quote:BoredinVA
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Jul 26, 2015 21:09
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Agrajag posted:loving wow. Haha, loving yeah, goddamn retired vets need to understand the dangers cops face every day. They don't know what it is like having an army out there that hates them and actively tries to kill them.
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Jul 26, 2015 21:17
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Cole posted:What have I done to give you the opinion that I'm trolling? people are giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you are posting badly on purpose, when you try to rebut an argument that nobody made (it's ok and expected to be rude to cops), and posting badly on purpose is one way to troll the fault in this assumption is that people often don't recognize you are one of if not the stupidest posters on this forum, and that you often blunder into bad posts through sheer mental deficiency
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Jul 26, 2015 21:22
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StoryCorps did an animated account of a guy who almost got killed by the cops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vep6DmMvLUQ All three cops were cleared but the city paid out over $750,000. Two of the cops were later fired for lying on different police reports, one of them involving another beating. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22964319/review-clears-3-denver-police-officers-2009-beating
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Jul 27, 2015 00:42
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Lying on their own police reports should be an automatic firing offence.
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Jul 27, 2015 00:52
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Agrajag posted:Lying on their own police reports should be an automatic firing offence. And locked up for perjury since those are almost certainly going to be court record?
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Jul 27, 2015 00:55
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Agrajag posted:Lying on their own police reports should be an automatic firing offence. One of the fired officers was later reinstated.
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Jul 27, 2015 00:58
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Is there a thread for Sandra Bland? I'd like to read some more about it.
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Jul 27, 2015 01:07
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A cop that lies on a police report can have a drastic impact on a person's life, often ruining a person's life socially and financially, that it's a wonder why it really isn't seen as something really offensive by more people. It really seems that these acts always get forgotten after a light slap on the wrist, if it even goes as far as that.
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Jul 27, 2015 01:11
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Agrajag posted:A cop that lies on a police report can have a drastic impact on a person's life, often ruining a person's life socially and financially, that it's a wonder why it really isn't seen as something really offensive by more people. It really seems that these acts always get forgotten after a light slap on the wrist, if it even goes as far as that.
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Jul 27, 2015 01:27
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,I mean not responding to a call could be a pretty big deal
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Jul 27, 2015 01:29
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Dexo posted:,I mean not responding to a call could be a pretty big deal I meant the officer responded but lied about what he was doing beforehand. Point is, there are different degrees of lying that merit different degrees of punishment. Something like planting evidence would obviously merit criminal charges.
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Jul 27, 2015 01:57
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Dead Reckoning posted:I meant the officer responded but lied about what he was doing beforehand. Point is, there are different degrees of lying that merit different degrees of punishment. Something like planting evidence would obviously merit criminal charges. Not when it comes to being a public servant who can, with a word, condemn citizens to death. Honesty is a binary thing with cops.
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Jul 27, 2015 02:10
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I'm fine letting dishonest cops slide on their police reports if we abandon the court's presumption that a cop is telling the truth.
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Jul 27, 2015 02:13
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Dead Reckoning posted:I meant the officer responded but lied about what he was doing beforehand. Point is, there are different degrees of lying that merit different degrees of punishment. Something like planting evidence would obviously merit criminal charges. In most states lying to police is a crime, why shouldn't criminals who commit that crime not be prosecuted just because they lied to their supervisor too?
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Jul 27, 2015 02:15
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VitalSigns posted:I'm fine letting dishonest cops slide on their police reports if we abandon the court's presumption that a cop is telling the truth. During voir dire, saying that you don't have a negative view of police will be grounds to be challenged for cause
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Jul 27, 2015 02:18
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Die Laughing posted:Is there a thread for Sandra Bland? I'd like to read some more about it. This is it. She has been the topic for ten pages.
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Jul 27, 2015 02:30
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PostNouveau posted:StoryCorps did an animated account of a guy who almost got killed by the cops. A minor point, but I am curious: Is Alex asking to see a warrant a reasonable thing, or is he just confused about the process? I would have though that this being just a traffic stop initially would mean they obviously do not have a warrant, but they might have probable cause to search the car since his friend had weed?
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Jul 27, 2015 05:37
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Darkrenown posted:A minor point, but I am curious: Is Alex asking to see a warrant a reasonable thing, or is he just confused about the process? I would have though that this being just a traffic stop initially would mean they obviously do not have a warrant, but they might have probable cause to search the car since his friend had weed? I don't know. I suspect they didn't need a warrant once they found weed on his friend, but maybe one of the lawyers around here would know for sure.
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Darkrenown posted:A minor point, but I am curious: Is Alex asking to see a warrant a reasonable thing, or is he just confused about the process? I would have though that this being just a traffic stop initially would mean they obviously do not have a warrant, but they might have probable cause to search the car since his friend had weed? Even if he was confused about the process and they could search because his friend had weed, it was no reason to beat the poo poo out of him. You can easily say "You passenger is in possession of a controlled substance which gives us probable cause."
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Why would they even be asked to get out of the car and then searched for a minor traffic violation? Yeah, once they found the weed the car was most likely fair game, but what led up to the body search in the first place? Edit: Oh wow, this is something else: quote:DENVER — In a wide-ranging complaint faulting law enforcement, public officials and the media, a police officer accused of using excessive force on multiple occasions is suing several city of Denver officials, his lawyer said Thursday. http://kwgn.com/2013/08/29/officer-involved-in-alex-landau-beating-sues-city-for-violating-his-rights/ Pohl fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Jul 27, 2015 05:54
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^^^ Yeah, also a good point, searching everyone in the car for a traffic stop seems odd too. Maybe the car smelled of weed?BasicFunk posted:Even if he was confused about the process and they could search because his friend had weed, it was no reason to beat the poo poo out of him. Oh you don't say?  Of course nothing he did was reason to beat the poo poo out of him.
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Jul 27, 2015 07:32
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Pohl posted:Why would they even be asked to get out of the car and then searched for a minor traffic violation? I'm about to go to bed, so too lazy to watch the video, but even unburnt weed has a really strong, distinct smell. Now, absolutely, cops make up "it smelled like weed" all the time (I love when that is the PC and they find only meth), but it is absolutely probable that if the guy had it on his person it was smelled. (Seriously, stop travelling with drugs in your car, it really makes your attorney's life way harder than it needs to be.) I'll have to watch the video before commenting on anything else.
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nm posted:I'm about to go to bed, so too lazy to watch the video, but even unburnt weed has a really strong, distinct smell. Is there a video? I think it is just he said/she said from like 2009. As far as pot in the car, yeah, that poo poo smells. I had to tell my neighbor to stop bringing pot with him whenever I was driving because it loving reeked. I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not about to put myself in jeopardy like that. Get that poo poo out of my car.
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Pohl posted:Is there a video? I think it is just he said/she said from like 2009. PostNouveau posted:StoryCorps did an animated account of a guy who almost got killed by the cops. Just to make it easier though, there's a black guy and his white friend who get pulled over. The cops take them out of the car and search them, and the white guy gets caught with weed. The cops start to search the car, and the black guy objects, saying he wants to see a search warrant before they continue. He says that set the cops off, and they beat the poo poo out of him. So the question was, could he have actually stopped them from searching his car by objecting at that point or was the friend having weed on him enough to allow them to search it?
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PostNouveau posted:Just to make it easier though, there's a black guy and his white friend who get pulled over. The cops take them out of the car and search them, and the white guy gets caught with weed. The cops start to search the car, and the black guy objects, saying he wants to see a search warrant before they continue. He says that set the cops off, and they beat the poo poo out of him. I know the story, and that is an animated video. I was asking if there was actual video. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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PostNouveau posted:So the question was, could he have actually stopped them from searching his car by objecting at that point or was the friend having weed on him enough to allow them to search it? I'm not sure what the exact law would be there, but in Canada that would be a search incident to arrest. You don't have to consent to the search, but if an officer wants to search anyways I don't see it ever being a good idea to try and stop them. Afterwards the admissibility of the evidence from the search would depend on whether the search itself was reasonable under the circumstances. Search incident to arrest is a common law doctrine so I'm assuming there would be some sort of equivalent in the US. Even without finding drugs on the passenger, which only strengthens the grounds for the search, if there was an odour of raw marijuana from the car that could be enough to provide probable grounds for an arrest/search. I don't know what the case law there says about getting a warrant prior to conducting the search. Zarkov Cortez fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Marijuana legalization really needs to be accelerated, if nothing else to get rid of "I smelled pot" PC. Though burnt marijuana would likely still be PC since it could imply a DWI, so there would still be room for abuse. Just out of curiosity, is there such a thing as an artificial sniffer that could create objective standards for this sort of stuff? It seems absurd that a cop can just make up "I smelled X" and there's no way to question that.
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Jul 27, 2015 15:47
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Marijuana legalization really needs to be accelerated, if nothing else to get rid of "I smelled pot" PC. Well here in MA the SJC ruled that because marijuana was decriminalized it's odor doesn't constitute probable cause.
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Jul 27, 2015 16:11
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Zarkov Cortez posted:I'm not sure what the exact law would be there, but in Canada that would be a search incident to arrest. You don't have to consent to the search, but if an officer wants to search anyways I don't see it ever being a good idea to try and stop them. Afterwards the admissibility of the evidence from the search would depend on whether the search itself was reasonable under the circumstances. First off, since white friend had weed, you can search any area that he had access to as a search incident to arrest. Beyond that, you don't need a warrant to search a car, only probable cause (Carroll v US, 1925), and weed would certainly give you that with or without the search incident to arrest.
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Jarmak posted:Well here in MA the SJC ruled that because marijuana was decriminalized it's odor doesn't constitute probable cause. Sorry, should have specified - the smell of burnt marijuana at a traffic stop would presumably still be probable cause.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Marijuana legalization really needs to be accelerated, if nothing else to get rid of "I smelled pot" PC. This thread has shown that cops are willing to make up any story if they feel like it. Besides, I think some data's been done and it still shows that minorities are disproportionately ticketed or otherwise found to violate marijuana laws even in the legal states.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Sorry, should have specified - the smell of burnt marijuana at a traffic stop would presumably still be probable cause. I knew exactly what you were talking about, and was talking about exactly that in Commomwealth v. Cruz "MA Supreme Judicial Court posted:]A Boston Municipal Court judge did not err in allowing a criminal defendant's pretrial motion to suppress evidence found by police on the defendant, a passenger in a stopped automobile, as well as an admission made by the defendant to the police, where, although the officers had properly detained the vehicle to issue a traffic citation and, upon detecting the odor of burnt marijuana, permissibly asked the driver whether he had been smoking marijuana, there was no basis on which the police could order the defendant out of the vehicle without at least some other additional fact beyond the mere odor of burnt marijuana, given that the odor of burnt marijuana alone can no longer provide police officers with reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is underway or with probable cause to believe that a criminal amount of contraband is present, in light of the enactment of G, L c. 94C, §§ 32L-32N, inserted by St. 2008, c. 387, §§ 2-4, which decriminalized possession of less than one ounce of marijuana, [463-477] COWIN, J., dissenting. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ma-supreme-judicial-court/1014358.html
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just out of curiosity, is there such a thing as an artificial sniffer that could create objective standards for this sort of stuff? It seems absurd that a cop can just make up "I smelled X" and there's no way to question that. If there was, you'd need it to have a camera or GPS etc. and a log or cops could still say the Sniffer beeped in any situation. Plus the logging would need to be held to at least the same standard as body cam logs, and even then you'd still risk the memory being erased or lost.
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Darkrenown posted:If there was, you'd need it to have a camera or GPS etc. and a log or cops could still say the Sniffer beeped in any situation. Plus the logging would need to be held to at least the same standard as body cam logs, and even then you'd still risk the memory being erased or lost. We wouldn't need any more complicated records than we do for radar guns or breathalyzers, both tools already in police use with the same risks of misuse.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:
They can't just say they smelled pot, they have to go through specific classes and be certified to detect pot or other drugs. At least that was the case in the last state I lived in, I haven't talked to any of the cops in my new state. So yeah, that training and certification is going to protect you, citizen. 
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dogs named Charlie posted:Couple pages back but maybe we know the same guy, always spouting biotruths and bragging about how well he can read people? Goes out speeding on public roads for fun but thinks drug users are vermin? Don't think so, no. The guy I was referring to doesn't even own a car (but has gotten into accidents with other people's vehicles). Sadly, I'm pretty sure there are way more than just a few people out there that are exactly like the guy I described.
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