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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah, that's the thing. there's no way to substantively critique the system without being within and dependent upon and thus complicit in the system. this fact drives some people nuts so they focus on shapeshifting lizards. sorry about your sister op Update: After watching it I sat her down and explained how you can fit any geometric shape into a sphere, informed her David Icke was in it (she didn't realized it was him), talked about how zero point energy is hokum, and how this is basically hippie libertarianism. My sister is not very good at determining what a credible source is. so there was a lot of "but what about monsanto?" and "but they're controlling everything!" and "did you hear about the 5 holistic doctors who were murdered?" so we had a talk about confirmation bias and what libertarianism, capitalism and anarchism are and how they differ.. All in all my sister is a hippie and really really wants stuff to be true but can be talked out of some things if you're stubborn enough. she is going through nursing school so she's not an anti-vaxer but I suspect if she hadn't she would have been.
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There's a tendency among conspiracy theorists to misidentify authoritative sources. If a study is released by the government or published in a journal, then it's probably the Illuminati or Monsanto or some other evil organization. But if there's a guy on Youtube talking about how you can make a simple panacea for all types of cancer by just mixing baking soda and maple syrup in a big bowl (this is a real thing that a crazy person showed me) then that Youbuer is probably some kind of genius and a trustworthy authority on cancer now. They don't really have any reason to trust this person other than the lack of association with mainstream sources of information and a feeling of "yeah but it has to work, why would someone go through the trouble of making a fake video?" You can try to explain biases and false positives to them, and you can point out the countless Youtube videos that are in fact hoaxes, but that has no effect.
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If CTs were to be believed, no one dies from natural causes, accidents, or suicides, its all murders and assassinations by THEM.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:e2: wow this is incredible, no matter where i click on the timeline within ten seconds something completely incompetent and hilarious happens. this is schizophrenia: the movie. an old ex girlfriend of mine, her brother was a full blown schizophrenic. i spent a lot of time in his immediate company, listening to his ideas and learning about his thought process. this is exactly the kind of thing that would completely blow his mind. the part about 29 minutes in when they do 3d extrapolations of crop circle patterns, oh man *kisses fingers* I know, right? I think one of the key points of the movie is that there's this thing called a torus or tetrahedron or something and it can give us unlimited energy (and something about aliens living on a copy of earth that is 1 million years ahead of us) but the illuminati is suppressing the release of this knowledge. GlennFinito posted:All in all my sister is a hippie and really really wants stuff to be true but can be talked out of some things if you're stubborn enough. she is going through nursing school so she's not an anti-vaxer but I suspect if she hadn't she would have been. Have you actually heard this from her directly or are you just assuming it? There are plenty of nurses (much less people in nursing school) who are antivaxxers, and this video is so astoundingly dumb that anyone who takes it seriously has pretty much reached "peak gullible." Like, if your acting was good enough I bet you could convince her that the world is flat* (or at least to consider the idea). I honestly would be extremely alarmed and disturbed if a close friend or family member of mine thought this video was good/important (or even worth considering). *I actually had a little trouble coming up with something as dumb as the things in this video Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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GlennFinito posted:My sister is forcing me to watch the Thrive Movement documentary. How bad is the bullshit to fact ratio? Holy poo poo, this is great. We know that the shape of a torus is actually a limitless form of energy, and we know that mankind was visited by aliens centuries ago, so the aliens must have used torus based engines. How else do you explain crop circles? Yes, I know some crop circles are fake, but I mean the really good crop circles. Especially the ones that look like toruses
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GlennFinito posted:I've seen her argue with anti vaxers on fb. And as I said once I pointed out David Icke was in the video she was like "yeah, he's super crazy. I didn't recognize him" i like the idea that anyone knows what david icke looks like and you recognize him for his face instead of the fact that he tends to say complete bullshit garbage
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i like the idea that anyone knows what david icke looks like and you recognize him for his face instead of the fact that he tends to say complete bullshit garbage Surely everyone recognises him from his brief stint in goal for Hereford and from when he presented Grandstand in the 80s. Here's Icke talking to cuddly Irish drunkard Terry Wogan in 1990: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2MEN4-49dM e: I actually feel kind of bad for Icke here, he's clearly recently gone through a psychotic break of some kind and Wogan is delighting in it Party Boat fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Ytlaya posted:I know, right? I think one of the key points of the movie is that there's this thing called a torus or tetrahedron or something and it can give us unlimited energy (and something about aliens living on a copy of earth that is 1 million years ahead of us) but the illuminati is suppressing the release of this knowledge. Wait, isn't that straight from the Tom Cruise movie Oblivion?
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boom boom boom posted:Holy poo poo, this is great. We know that the shape of a torus is actually a limitless form of energy, and we know that mankind was visited by aliens centuries ago, so the aliens must have used torus based engines. How else do you explain crop circles? Yes, I know some crop circles are fake, but I mean the really good crop circles. Especially the ones that look like toruses Why else do you think doughnuts have so many calories?
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zakharov posted:So what's your point? Well I for one support the new frankenstein gangster computer god functionality Microsoft added.
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So this is fake right? Either that or MS has gotten really unprofessional when writing its tech documents.
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twistedmentat posted:So this is fake right? Either that or MS has gotten really unprofessional when writing its tech documents. Oh it's real, and it's spectacular
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Mulva posted:Oh it's real, and it's spectacular So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons?
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? Perfectly valid reasons. Don't worry about it.
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? And some features can't be turned off! Or they can be turned off, but automatically turn themselves back on later (likely without telling you).
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? not like they're spying on your dreams or anything but it's a valid worry for microsoft to log unknown amounts of things you type including passwords given that they've got garbage security, it's just making things easier for data thieves, and for you to not be able to disable this behavior at all because Cortana knows what is best for you
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? I would be very surprised if there's any actual keylogging going on, but there are a number of lazily-implemented features in the next version of Windows that are just begging to be exploited. It feels like they let marketing decide the feature set, and then didn't bother to make sure these features were implemented in a secure way.
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? Ads. Really, they've already said the first year of Windows 10 upgrades for non-enterprise users will be free, and if they get a large uptake and increased ad revenue I doubt they'll try to sell it at all; at the same time they are selling ads against everything including solitaire, it's not really that much of a mystery.
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I checked a bunch of that stuff and some of it, like WiFi Sense, I couldn't even turn on if I wanted to, without linking my user account to my Windows account which is completely optional. So a lot of it actually isn't on by default, they just did something optional which turned it on and assumed it was on by default.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I checked a bunch of that stuff and some of it, like WiFi Sense, I couldn't even turn on if I wanted to, without linking my user account to my Windows account which is completely optional. So a lot of it actually isn't on by default, they just did something optional which turned it on and assumed it was on by default. Again by default Windows 10, and Windows 8, go to great lengths to encourage users to create Microsoft accounts and link them to their PC.
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twistedmentat posted:So, the implication is everything you do on your computer with windows 10 is being logged and stored by MS for....reasons? The actuality is that there's things like always on anti virus scan, the siri-workalike records the same sorts of thing siri does on ios or google now does on android. If you remember how in Windows 7 when a program would crash it would offer to check for a solution, well by default it now just does that automatically in the background, and so on. chitoryu12 posted:And some features can't be turned off! Or they can be turned off, but automatically turn themselves back on later (likely without telling you). The only thing that does that is the anti-virus, which why would you want it to be off permanently in the first place? (it also disables itself if you're one of those dummies who still pays for norton antivirus or mcaffee's crap).
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Nintendo Kid posted:The only thing that does that is the anti-virus, which why would you want it to be off permanently in the first place? (it also disables itself if you're one of those dummies who still pays for norton antivirus or mcaffee's crap). Those people aren't dummies because Windows Defender is a terrible antivirus  Source: http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/avc_fdt_201503_en.pdf 13.7% missed samples. This is just one criteria, but Defender tends to perform poorly compared to retail anti-viruses.
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babies havin rabies posted:Those people aren't dummies because Windows Defender is a terrible antivirus It's not a bad antivirus, the benchmarks used are practically useless, since they do not model real world usage. your computer doesn't get nicely packaged known sets of viruses to scan, and the high false positive rates on many of those other products are unacceptable.
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Sir Tonk posted:I bought a Mac so I don't have to worry about viruses Just planned obsolescence the likes of which makes Microsoft drool.
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E-Tank posted:Just planned obsolescence the likes of which makes Microsoft drool. Any sort of obsolescence would make Microsoft drool. Windows 10 still has a 32 bit version. In 2015.
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TEAYCHES posted:lmao why would you need an antivirus unless you are clicking yes opening strange and mysterious files Aren't most viral infections these days from drive-by downloads via compromised ad networks anyway?
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TEAYCHES posted:lmao why would you need an antivirus unless you are clicking yes opening strange and mysterious files Right because opening celebrity_nudes.jpeg.exe is the only way to get a computer virus
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E-Tank posted:Just planned obsolescence the likes of which makes Microsoft drool. My 5 year old mac still runs fine and is up to date on all its software. I dunno. Doesn't really seem like planned obselecense. Hell, they even replaced a flat battery for free for me 6 months ago.
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Pope Guilty posted:Aren't most viral infections these days from drive-by downloads via compromised ad networks anyway? Yep. Browser exploits. To be honest you probably get better protection from Adblock plus then you do from an antivirus these days.
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duck monster posted:Yep. Browser exploits. To be honest you probably get better protection from Adblock plus then you do from an antivirus these days. Especially frikkin flash and java. Update that stuff guys, even if they have a new one every day.
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I haven't had a virus in 5+ years, even recklessly downloading all the porn in sight. Adblock+noscript+MS Security Essentials/Windows Defender is plenty. Also, a lot of those surveys showing MS as having a lower detection rate don't normalize for the insane number of false positives most commercial antivirus gives you. They're just showing you the raw hitrates, regardless of accuracy. MS's antivirus gives very few false positives and doesn't miss that much. Since it's integrated into the OS, it also tends to have a lot less overhead and cause a lot fewer issues, whereas, say, Avast! constantly has issues like flagging OS updates as viruses or quarantining files that are parts of games you install and the like. The best antivirus is browsing safely, disabling all scripts and ads when you're going to browse somewhere unsafe, and always scanning email attachments before opening. If you're extra-paranoid, do your browsing in a VM. Commercial antivirus is by-and-large a placebo.
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