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Etrips posted:Well poo poo, what other things have I been missing that I can passively do like this. Yeah you can do it for all crafting/gathering classes you have unlocked and it is a great daily supplement to their leveling.
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Eimi posted:So just random bitching, I'm the person who hates 60 blm. Scrub, git gud, whatever, it took a class I did like and made it stressful and unenjoyable for me. So on that, have any other blms jumped ship, and if so, to what ship did you jump to? I have a mnk at 60 but it just isn't satisfying in the way 2.0 blm was. I'd like something that is essentially the fury war of classes. Because simplicity and hitting hard are valuable qualities. The only fights that poo poo me as BLM are A2 because I'm guaranteed to gently caress it up and lose Enochian while stuff spawns, Bismark EX (tornados) and Neverreap (TORNADOS). Seems a few people have done the obvious and swapped to SMN which has the benefit of sharing gear mostly. BLM is still lots of fun for me though, so I'll stick with it.
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Magil Zeal posted:I got all my DoHs to 60, I'm unsure as to how much I want to involve myself in the red scrip system but I still don't regret it really. At the very least, I'm glad to be able to cook my own food with the help of my retainers and some unspoiled node gathering, and if the level 60 potions ever become more economical to use I'll be happy to make those too. I like having my crafters at 60 just for repairs, making small stuff, melds, whatever. I used to do high end crafting, but wow did that ever get hosed this patch. Eimi posted:So just random bitching, I'm the person who hates 60 blm. Scrub, git gud, whatever, it took a class I did like and made it stressful and unenjoyable for me. So on that, have any other blms jumped ship, and if so, to what ship did you jump to? I have a mnk at 60 but it just isn't satisfying in the way 2.0 blm was. I'd like something that is essentially the fury war of classes. Because simplicity and hitting hard are valuable qualities. I switched to SMN and it's been pretty good. It's definitely a change, but I find dreadwyrm trance to actually be a fun mechanic, while enochian ... isn't. I'd like BLM a lot better if you couldn't extend enochian and BLM damage was balanced around just using it as a DPS increasing cooldown that let you make big booms. That might actually be fun.
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Obligatum VII posted:People keep saying this, but how the heck do all of you manage to avoid a place with a mender for so long that you'd ever need to self-repair? They're everywhere! As someone who has all their crafters at 50+, I honestly could not tell you where to find mender NPCs anymore because it's more expensive and less convenient than self repairing. You can go longer between repairs since self repair can set your durability higher than 100%, and when you open your character sheet and go "oh look at all that gear with green durability bars" you can just right click, click, click and you've repaired it all, instead of "well I should go find the nearest mender NPC!" and then having to interrupt whatever you were doing to go get your poo poo fixed. Plus I mean... people are lazy about things like repairs. I was doing A2 and as the last trash pull ended I watched the WAR's HP go from 18k to 13k. Half his poo poo broke and he didn't have any crafters leveled so he had to leave the instance.
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah I guess I shouldn't assume that someone wouldn't level only a single class and then whine about that one class being too expensive. Silly me! Deep-Fried Okeanis is drat cheap. But ignoring that, it seems like you're saying that the answer to "Getting red scrip is massively expensive each week" is "Level all the classes, and then it will be still expensive but involve less self-mutilation". Even if you've got a 40k gil recipe with enough quality that each turn-in is getting you 26 red scrip it's still ~17 turn-ins for that particular week. That's a lot of gil for most people for a "cheap" week of scrip. The problem I have is that I can't figure out who they were catering any of the DoH changes to because everything seems flat out more insane than it was in ARR unless you're already rolling in money from being a 4 star omnicrafter (or being that guy supplying all the glamour prisms all the time). What are their expectations? That people who aren't serious omnicrafters will level a class and then just quit after crafting Chimerical gear?
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Reason posted:What do I need to do to unlock Dark Knight? A wiki told me there should be a quest in The Foundation but I'm not seeing it. The starting quest is actually in the Pillars, in the northeastern section of the map. The trainer's in Foundation though.
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Jul 27, 2015 05:48
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Countblanc posted:It certainly isn't the first final fantasy game to go there. Frankly it's so stupid that it's great. I'd call it jumping the shark except there's no negatives here that I can see, so. 
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nuru posted:Deep-Fried Okeanis is drat cheap. But ignoring that, it seems like you're saying that the answer to "Getting red scrip is massively expensive each week" is "Level all the classes, and then it will be still expensive but involve less self-mutilation". Even if you've got a 40k gil recipe with enough quality that each turn-in is getting you 26 red scrip it's still ~17 turn-ins for that particular week. That's a lot of gil for most people for a "cheap" week of scrip. The problem I have is that I can't figure out who they were catering any of the DoH changes to because everything seems flat out more insane than it was in ARR unless you're already rolling in money from being a 4 star omnicrafter (or being that guy supplying all the glamour prisms all the time). What's really funny is that Yoshida said several times that he wasn't happy with how the 2.0 crafting system pushed everyone into omnicrafting and that the crafting progression catered to people who could handle the incredible grind for improved tools, who had lots of money. And that he wanted to change crafting to make it more accessible to more casual crafters. What he ended up doing was creating a system where all the rich people who can max meld i150 can completely skip Keep gear and jump straight to Master, for a much lower scrip cost. Casual crafters who don't have the resources to perfect 150 gear have to use Keep as a stepping stone meaning they are weeks and weeks behind, forever, all the richer crafters. You are actively punished for not being an omnicrafter with a house made of solid gold and mastercraft demis. When 3.2 drops and they start incremental improvements to the crafting gear you better believe Master + Melds is going to be required to get them and everyone else can go get hosed. Really what I think they want is a system where all the crafters focus on a couple crafts, and make items for those crafts, and sell them to specialists in other crafts for the recipes they want to make. Do you know what that is? That's the loving 1.0 crafting system which was so bad that they couldn't wait for 2.0 to change it, they needed to rip the guts out of that system before the servers went down. Before they started charging people money to play the game again. Edit: For a development team which usually has their finger right on the pulse of player psychology I'm pretty surprised that when they were talking out crafting changes no one thought to mention that all these changes make being an omnicrafter much harder, but people both like and are used to being omnicrafters. Players never, ever like having their toys taken away very much. Meiteron fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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On the other hand if you max out your red scrips you can deck out one class with all the all the 180 main left side pieces + weapon by the time 3.1 releases. I mean it's still way worse than max melded 170 but still.
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Jul 27, 2015 06:12
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I'm kinda ok with uber hardcore types being able to get something better/faster than me. I mean, isn't that sort of how MMOs work
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Fancy Corndog posted:I'm kinda ok with uber hardcore types being able to get something better/faster than me. I mean, isn't that sort of how MMOs work It's sort of a magnitude of scale in this case. In order to deck out more than one of your crafting classes in this manner via the "slow road" of 180 unmeldable gear is going to take months and months on end and there's no way around that. Not even including if you want to complete your set with the new crafted offhand, belt, and jewelry.
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Jul 27, 2015 06:18
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I am not sure what I did to offend the DRK second mentor Sidguru, but whenever I talk to him as a male Roegadyn he tells me to get lost. I Fantasia'ed to another race and he just tells me to be careful of the temple knights. Back to Roe, and back to hating me. Both Hellsguard and Seawolf. No other player with a male Roe PC has this issue with him either. I hope it doesn't break things when I eventually get DRK to 50, haha.
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Jul 27, 2015 06:26
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Magil Zeal posted:It's sort of a magnitude of scale in this case. In order to deck out more than one of your crafting classes in this manner via the "slow road" of 180 unmeldable gear is going to take months and months on end and there's no way around that. Not even including if you want to complete your set with the new crafted offhand, belt, and jewelry.
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HiKaizer posted:I am not sure what I did to offend the DRK second mentor Sidguru, but whenever I talk to him as a male Roegadyn he tells me to get lost. I Fantasia'ed to another race and he just tells me to be careful of the temple knights. Back to Roe, and back to hating me. Both Hellsguard and Seawolf. No other player with a male Roe PC has this issue with him either. Does it work with a female Roegadyn?
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Jul 27, 2015 06:29
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Vermain posted:Are the tanks splitting the final two Jagds? When I'm tanking, I tell the other tank which Jagd I'm going to pick up (either by really, really quickly marking them, or just referring to the "front" and "back" Jagd; they generally get the picture) and we then split the two up to opposite sides. The #1 run killer on A2 is a single tank picking up the two Jagds with few/no cooldowns and unprepared/low MP healers suddenly seeing a single tank's health vanish in a few seconds from the cleaves. I'm a WHM. I use Shroud of Saints and Assize as appropriate, but they're on 120 and 90 second cooldowns, respectively and my MP always ends up depleted around the last phase of the fight, especially if/when I have to start using Medica I/II to keep everyone healthy. I'd rather not like, spend the entire fight just standing around not DPSing just so I can have MP to spam heals on people at the end
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ApplesandOranges posted:Does it work with a female Roegadyn? I need to buy some more Fantasias before I can check.
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Niton posted:
Well I did hear that Faust is slightly taller in savage. I feel like I'm getting ripped off paying for that improvement of the game.
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Crafting would be saved for me if there was a Ixali-style draily collectible, that didn't require any real ingredients. If you do well on that each day, you don't need to do any real turn-ins, but if you miss a day, or do poorly on the collectibility score, you can use the normal turn-ins. Also, put in scrip belts and rightside, and like halve the price of everything.
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Late to the party but holy poo poo was the Singularity Reactor cool. A big love letter to the best summon in the series! 
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Nekrews posted:Late to the party but holy poo poo was the Singularity Reactor cool. A big love letter to the best summon in the series! Yeah, Singularity Reactor is a really fuckin cool fight, just a shame that it's pretty easy
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Meiteron posted:Edit: For a development team which usually has their finger right on the pulse of player psychology I'm pretty surprised that when they were talking out crafting changes no one thought to mention that all these changes make being an omnicrafter much harder, but people both like and are used to being omnicrafters. Players never, ever like having their toys taken away very much. Crafting was just made harder across the board for omnicrafters and non-omnicrafters alike. Ironically, this makes omnicrafting more beneficial than ever. They didn't kill omnicrafting, they encouraged it. The part I really don't get is that it takes more time and gil to get a single set of red scrip gear than to level all crafters to 50, maybe even 60. Even getting the artisans gear for 4 star was itself vastly more difficult and expensive than to simply level all crafts to 50. It's been said in this and the prior thread at least a dozen times, "go ahead and get all your crafters to 50 so you can repair your own stuff, but don't bother with the crafting endgame, it's insane." YoshiP pointed out needing to level all your crafters as the onerous part of the whole crafting ouroboros, but it's actually the easiest most sane part. It's the rest of the poo poo that's completely bonkers, and they went and made it worse as an alternative to that oh so difficult task of leveling all the crafters.  cheetah7071 posted:Crafting would be saved for me if there was a Ixali-style draily collectible, that didn't require any real ingredients. If you do well on that each day, you don't need to do any real turn-ins, but if you miss a day, or do poorly on the collectibility score, you can use the normal turn-ins. I posted this exact suggestion on the DoH board, for whatever it's worth. Not that anyone gives a poo poo, and it'll rapidly fall beneath the threads of people arguing with obvious trolls, but gently caress it, I tried.
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nuru posted:Deep-Fried Okeanis is drat cheap. But ignoring that, it seems like you're saying that the answer to "Getting red scrip is massively expensive each week" is "Level all the classes, and then it will be still expensive but involve less self-mutilation". Even if you've got a 40k gil recipe with enough quality that each turn-in is getting you 26 red scrip it's still ~17 turn-ins for that particular week. That's a lot of gil for most people for a "cheap" week of scrip. The problem I have is that I can't figure out who they were catering any of the DoH changes to because everything seems flat out more insane than it was in ARR unless you're already rolling in money from being a 4 star omnicrafter (or being that guy supplying all the glamour prisms all the time). It's really easy to make money in this game if you know what you're doing. What are you planning to do with the red scrip anyway? You can easily make all the current CUL recipes with the <150 gear.
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Fister Roboto posted:It's really easy to make money in this game if you know what you're doing. What are you planning to do with the red scrip anyway? You can easily make all the current CUL recipes with the <150 gear. I was saying CUL was my cheapest red scrip option, not that I only leveled CUL. If you want to argue that the insane cost of red scrip weekly for the non-meldable "easy path" is ok then have at it. nuru fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Pikachu posted:I'm a WHM. I use Shroud of Saints and Assize as appropriate, but they're on 120 and 90 second cooldowns, respectively and my MP always ends up depleted around the last phase of the fight, especially if/when I have to start using Medica I/II to keep everyone healthy. I'd rather not like, spend the entire fight just standing around not DPSing just so I can have MP to spam heals on people at the end A2 doesn't have any unavoidable raid damage, you shouldn't need medica/2 unless the guy in the gobwalker is repeatedly missing bombs, tank is spinning things that cleave, or all the DPS is standing in stupid poo poo. I don't think there's an enrage so if you get an especially awful group you should conserve MP instead of going nuts with stone 3 trying to make up for the ninja who's somehow doing less damage than the paladin.
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nuru posted:I said CUL was my cheapest red scrip option, not that I only leveled CUL. Man, I don't know if the market is just way worse on Excalibur or something, but I did Noble Codicies for my red scrips and I came in around 300K for mats, which is the profit from crafting a couple of items. I have adamantite alembics as a cheap option as well. Spending over 2 million on CUL ingredients blows my mind.
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On Cactuar a Noble Codex's mats are presently running 82,300 if you were to buy every normal quality item off the market board. You'll cut a lot of that down if you can mine and/or have other classes leveled to craft intermediates, but it's still scary math if you need say, 17 of them.
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OpinionCushion posted:Man, I don't know if the market is just way worse on Excalibur or something, but I did Noble Codicies for my red scrips and I came in around 300K for mats, which is the profit from crafting a couple of items. I have adamantite alembics as a cheap option as well. Spending over 2 million on CUL ingredients blows my mind. They were saying that it is 2 million for all the mats to CAP red scripts.
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Dr Pepper posted:I really like how pretty this game is. How does the UI scale with a 21:9 monitor anyway?
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Dr Pepper posted:Pretty decently overall. Can't wait to get mine.
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LunarShadow posted:They were saying that it is 2 million for all the mats to CAP red scripts. I'm well aware. My 300K was also a rough estimate of what it took in mats for me to cap reds as well. I guess the big difference is that many finished non-CUL mats are often quite cheap right now due to the rate they drop from HW maps, and also I'm 60 in all DoH/DoL, so I can always pick the cheapest option for turnins and mats.
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Olesh posted:For your first class, you get a certain amount of XP from side quests, a certain amount from dungeons/guildhests/killing mobs, and then XP from the main story quest. Holy crap, my eyes are opened. Thank you so much. My bonus EX headwear made leveling a blur from 1-25, so I didn't pick up on those details.
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OpinionCushion posted:I'm well aware. My 300K was also a rough estimate of what it took in mats for me to cap reds as well. I guess the big difference is that many finished non-CUL mats are often quite cheap right now due to the rate they drop from HW maps, and also I'm 60 in all DoH/DoL, so I can always pick the cheapest option for turnins and mats. Most finished mats have spiked considerably on Excal due to the volume of crafters buying them to try and cap red scrip
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Evader posted:Holy crap, my eyes are opened. Thank you so much. On the other hand, don't feel that you have to keep a checklist to do every subquest in the world either. Don't avoid them, but I never found it particularly necessary for most of the game to go out of my way to find more, either. (Though I played through fairly slowly, so I had rested XP for most of it.)
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How do you actually get into Alex Savage? I finished A4 Normal, and did Ultima's Bane. I did a quest called "A song of Steam and Steel" and got the "Alexander: Gordias Savage Mode now available in DF" but for the life of me I cannot find it listed anywhere in DF.
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Malloreon posted:How do you actually get into Alex Savage? I finished A4 Normal, and did Ultima's Bane. I did a quest called "A song of Steam and Steel" and got the "Alexander: Gordias Savage Mode now available in DF" but for the life of me I cannot find it listed anywhere in DF. Because it's not in the Duty Finder; talk to the goblin in front of Alexander's fist.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I kinda want to do a Greco-Roman glamour. As far as I know, I'm going to want the Noct set and Flame Elite Set. It's... gonna take a long time farming allied seals, isn't it? They should disappear automatically.
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