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Hello Sailor posted:"The study—written by James Hansen" What's the issue here? It'll have post-publication peer review. Looks pretty on the up and up to me.
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Zodium posted:What's the issue here? It'll have post-publication peer review. Looks pretty on the up and up to me. I like how Hello Sailor merely quotes "written by James Hansen" as if that in and of itself is damning, while ignoring the fact that 16 co-authors have signed on as well.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I like how Hello Sailor merely quotes "written by James Hansen" as if that in and of itself is damning, while ignoring the fact that 16 co-authors have signed on as well. Yes, it is damning. Hansen is well-known for taking an excessively alarmist position and he's publishing in a journal that doesn't follow standard peer review procedures (protip: all journals offer post-publication peer review, even the bad ones. It's called reading the article and responding). The co-authors are tarnishing their own reputations (if any) by their participation.
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Hello Sailor posted:Yes, it is damning. Hansen is well-known for taking an excessively alarmist position and he's publishing in a journal that doesn't follow standard peer review procedures (protip: all journals offer post-publication peer review, even the bad ones. It's called reading the article and responding). The co-authors are tarnishing their own reputations (if any) by their participation. lol you are an idiot "excessively alarmist position" hmm maybe there's a cause for this alarm he's trying to raise. i mean, he was only the head climate scientist for the US, prolly just being a dramatic whiner
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down with slavery posted:lol you are an idiot If we're trying to be a pedant, its best to be correct. Hansen was never "head climate scientist for the US" he was head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, one of many US governmental agencies researching climate change. He in fact retired from NASA in 2013. He currently works as an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University.
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Trabisnikof posted:If we're trying to be a pedant, its best to be correct. Hansen was never "head climate scientist for the US" he was head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, one of many US governmental agencies researching climate change. I'm aware he left NASA (you can't lobby against the government if you work for it) and he also happens to be one of the leading voices in the US among scientific leaders. Calling him "alarmist" when he's done decades of great science is just hogwash. He's "alarmist" in the sense that he's trying to raise the alarm. Which was basically his job.
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The journal has a non-standard peer review but it's still a valid form of peer review. http://www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net/peer_review/interactive_review_process.html Sounds like a pain in the rear end to me (if I were an author), but it's standard for journals published by the European Geosciences Union. I'm familiar with a couple of their other journals.
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Anyone hear any scuttlebutt about when EPA will issue the final CO2 standards for new power plants? Earlier this year EPA said they were expected to be adopted "this summer". Thoughts on whether EPA will keep the carbon capture & sequestration requirement for new coal plants?
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Bizarro Watt posted:Sounds like a pain in the rear end to me (if I were an author), but it's standard for journals published by the European Geosciences Union. I'm familiar with a couple of their other journals. Yes, it does.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Nice piece of fish posted:What we can assert with confidence is that not only are human beings one of the most adaptable species on the planet and probably the most capable of surviving "Humans are one of the species most capable of surviving" is an absurdly hubristic thing to assert with confidence to anyone who knows even a tiny amount about the natural world. If there are any of us left 100 million years down the line I guess we could consider it then.
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Bizarro Watt posted:The journal has a non-standard peer review but it's still a valid form of peer review. http://www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net/peer_review/interactive_review_process.html You can trademark a peer review process? Who cares abotu climate change, this is what's really wrong with the world today.
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Hello Sailor posted:"The study—written by James Hansen" Well considering how effective peer review is at keeping poo poo studies out of journals, I don't see the downside.
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http://m.timesunion.com/news/article/Navy-climate-change-expert-sees-opponents-6401711.php Navy's former chief oceanographer giving a talk on climate change and national security
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It's a little tinfoil, but strangely coincidental. Are climate scientists being assassinated
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Dahn posted:It's a little tinfoil, but strangely coincidental. The Telegraph posted:Professor laxon fell down a flight of stairs at a New year’s Eve party at a house in Essex while Dr Giles died when she was in collision with a lorry when cycling to work in London. Dr Boyd is thought to have been struck by lightning while walking in Scotland. I'm going to vote for "not assassinations" on this one.
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Placid Marmot posted:I'm going to vote for "not assassinations" on this one.
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TACD posted:It couldn't hurt to bring Thor in for questioning just in case. Heck, what if he is contributing to climate change and killed her to hide the truth? 
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Hillary Clinton's "ambitious" plan is to have 33% of American energy originate from clean and renewable sources by 2027. We are hosed -- well, and truly, hosed. \/\/\/\/ -- You know it's not going to be like "The Day After Tomorrow", right? Un-l337-Pork fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Un-l337-Pork posted:Hillary Clinton's "ambitious" plan is to have 33% of American energy originate from clean and renewable sources by 2027. Yeah... yeah.  But I guess we can talk about good ol'fashioned prepping? Anyone got any cool plans for living off the grid or as self-sufficient as possible? I've always wanted a small plot of land to try out some permaculture ideas of mine, make like a low-maintenance personal farm of sorts filled with productive plants that are likely to last through climate change for me and potential family. It's a pretty huge investment of effort, money and takes an absolute ton of knowledge and experience I just don't have yet. It's pretty much my ideal way of living regardless, as I love growing stuff, so it's not out of my way or crazy for me to plan on something like that. I just wonder what the rest of you might like to do if you consider just your own needs and your family's needs going forward the next half a century.
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Un-l337-Pork posted:Hillary Clinton's "ambitious" plan is to have 33% of American energy originate from clean and renewable sources by 2027. Energy or electricity? Because 33% of total energy would be huge, 33% of total electricity, a realistic goal. Edit: I looked, it is electricity. I'd be interested to see the engineering behind a plan to do that faster than 33% renewables by 2027 with a start year of 2016, because you'd have to force massive plant shutdowns to do it faster, I imagine. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Nice piece of fish posted:Yeah... yeah. That won't help, you'd either die from an infected ingrown toenail or something, or Lord Humungus and his gang will find you and kill you and take all your poo poo.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Yeah... yeah. My plan is to make a poo poo ton of money and be one of the rich fucks living in Elysium, while everyone else (i.e. you guys) suffers down here on Earth.
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So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope?
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echopraxia posted:So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope? The most important thing you as an individual can do is to stay active with the environmental movement and not let it get dominated by the anti-nuclear/GMO/vaxx crazies. A consistent pressure in your community to reduce energy usage when possible helps. Or if you want to play revolutionary, you can find the oldest (and therefore dirtiest) coal plants in the region and bomb them. Those coal plants are grandfathered in, so if they repair them they would have to conform to new regulations. This would either force them to reduce emissions, or switch to a more economical (and cleaner) power source.
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echopraxia posted:So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope? There is no hope. Pretty much all of the reliable models and reports indicate that we're past the point-of-no-return and the planet will undergo catastrophic warming within this century and the next no matter what we do. Anything will do now will only slow down the chain reaction, and that by negligible amounts.
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echopraxia posted:So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope? Sure it's possible. We're restricted exclusively by our willingness to pay for it. We could technically power everything with nuclear or with renewables or a mix of it - modern living would just be more expensive. If you want to make a difference take lessons in public speaking, establish a global fanatical anti-coal cult and then lead your followers into glorious battle as you usher in the Flood of Blood and Capitalist Tears. However, first you should get some LED lightbulbs and ask for likes on Facebook.
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enraged_camel posted:There is no hope. Pretty much all of the reliable models and reports indicate that we're past the point-of-no-return and the planet will undergo catastrophic warming within this century and the next no matter what we do. Anything will do now will only slow down the chain reaction, and that by negligible amounts. I don't think you have the meta study to back up those claims, but even ignoring that it still depends on your definition of catastrophic. Also, this is the most effective anti-climate talking point of them all.
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echopraxia posted:So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope? Join an activist group (or groups) and help build a movement. This may not necessarily be an environmental organization; since all of the problems we see of poverty, corporate power, and environmental destruction (to name just a few) are all related to our hosed up economic system, you can find the seeds of an effort to fight climate change everywhere. A good goal should be to help groups support each other and build each other in solidarity, fighting for tangible, possible victories on a small scale in order to build towards the larger, systemic changes that will be necessary. For example, joining a labor organization and pushing for a green jobs program in your city helps fight poverty and climate change, and can become an example for others in other places to follow. Because our country is racist, people of color are disproportionately poor, so helping fight poverty helps them too, and helping fight racism with them will create unity among activists that increases the strength of a movement. The example I like to give is the fight for a $15/h minimum wage. It started with a few dozen fast food workers in NY striking. Fast food workers across the country started building. In Seattle, Socialist Alternative ran a candidate campaigning for a $15/h minimum wage while building a $15Now organization to support workers, which spread across the country. The candidate won a seat on the city council, and used her position (and the activists on the ground) to push the council towards passing a $15/h wage. The strikes across the country increased to thousands, and multinational corporations like McDonalds started talking about across the board wage increases for workers. Now, other cities across the country have begun taking up the issue--from Los Angles (where a law passed) to New York (where it either passed or is likely to soon), and you have candidates like Bernie Sanders pushing $15/h so that it becomes even more of a national, mainstream issue. It's gone from a few dozen fast food workers who did a thing pretty much everyone ignored to a thing happening in the biggest cities in the country and gathering national attention. It takes a lot of work, and years to grow, but it shows what kind of things are possible. In summary, agitate, educate, and organize. ... Or, as this thread likes to suggest, there are alternatives: a) Whine about how hopeless it is in this thread and disparage any sort of discussion on possible actions or solutions as unrealistic or doomed to failure b) We're all hosed so let's not do anything (except post) c) Deny reality and embrace magical thinking! Climate change will be so slow our plutocratic overlords will find a magic technology and save us (Arkane can tell you more) d) Run from the problems! Build a dilapidated hovel on the Canadian shield and grow organic vegetables while sobbing softly to yourself. Make friends with the bears and talk about the paleo-vegan diet with them.
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I'm liking the blow up old coal plants idea best, really. I don't see any amount of education or organisation doing more good than things like that.
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echopraxia posted:So what exactly is there to be done in concrete terms? I've been reading this thread for as long as its been around and the same solutions keep being brought up in a depressing cycle but I've never seen a concrete realistic plan for altering the infrastructure and social systems we need to change. Is there any way we can actually implement CANDU, Solar, Wind etc. starting tomorrow of is there no hope? This thread tends to overemphasize the government's lack of a sufficient reaction. There are a lot of interesting new technologies that already exist and that are forthcoming which can offer some amount of hope: cloned tissue as a source of protein, algae as a biofuel and CO2 sink, building wind turbines into existing buildings, solar windows, e-diesel and "blue crude," etc. There's progress being made, much of it despite the deniers, many of whom tend to be wealthy enough to strongly influence the narrative. On a personal level, I think Uranium Phoenix has the right of it: use your time wisely, minimize your own impact, and see what you can do in your own backyard. This is very much an "every little bit helps" scenario. Edit: this is kind of cool: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3682598/first-commercial-solar-desalination-plant-in-california/ Solar desalination that gets around the problem of having a bunch of leftover brine. Wanderer fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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http://carbonengineering.com/ The more I read about this lately, the more I think that the key is going to end up being in treating the CO2 in the air as a resource to be expended. The video on this site's pretty rad. http://calera.com/beneficial-reuse-of-co2/products.html This is neat too: using gas-fired power plants as a kiln to turn CO2 into carbonate, which can then be used for concrete or ceramics.
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Time to unskew those temperature graphs! Huh! Whaddaya know! Global warming is fake! Just as predicted! Why am I unskewing them, you ask? How did I determine that the 50% of hottest stations have faked data? I don't need to tell you. Just be glad I've uncovered the conspiracy and proven those global warming activists wrong! Nothing to see here!
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I just watched " Cowspiracy" a movie that asserts that consumption of meat and animal Products ( eggs, milk etc) is responsible for over 50% of all climate gas emissions. It also claimed that animal husbandry is just plain awfully destructive in every way for the local global enviorment. Basically the moviemaker beleives that the most effective way to deal With climate change is for everyone to go vegan. If he`s rigth it would mean that it`s completely unnecessary to do anything else. You can keep on driving that ineffective rusty piece of poo poo, just don`t eat meat, milk or eggs so to speak. But is this correct, or the ravings of a nutjob?
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Baudolino posted:I just watched " Cowspiracy" a movie that asserts that consumption of meat and animal Products ( eggs, milk etc) is responsible for over 50% of all climate gas emissions. It also claimed that animal husbandry is just plain awfully destructive in every way for the local global enviorment. Basically the moviemaker beleives that the most effective way to deal With climate change is for everyone to go vegan. If he`s rigth it would mean that it`s completely unnecessary to do anything else. You can keep on driving that ineffective rusty piece of poo poo, just don`t eat meat, milk or eggs so to speak. But is this correct, or the ravings of a nutjob? FAO estimates between 14 and 18%.
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And according to that report, that includes all of the emissions from generating food. So you're not going to eliminate emissions if you decide to redirect that acreage into human production. Also significant quantities of those emissions are just processing the food, so you'll also have to prevent any other industrial activity from filling the void.
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Is it possible for a vegan to tell the truth?
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I'm the annoying liberal on Facebook. Unfortunately, the only people who like my posts is a former student and a relative I have lovingly nicknamed "Uncle Contrail" who ends up being right about a lot of things sheerly by accident of being a loving, though paranoid, person. At least the former student is a big ecological activist, so that feels good. Other than that, I'm just sitting here at the California coast watching the redwoods and pines die away from the landscape. Santa Cruz is going to start looking like Santa Barbara. There's just so many people going about business as usual without even a hint of anxiety about the future. But oh look, they brought their reusable bag to Whole Foods!...because they charge for bags here. Edit: No it isn't. V Bast Relief fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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that's incredibly cool, and i hope you'll tell us more about your facebook exploits
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I'm pretty sure logging has still done far more to hurt the Redwoods than Anthropogenic Climate Change has.
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