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Kojiro
Aug 11, 2003

LET'S GET TO THE TOP!
The fact that it's from Eve Online makes it 300% funnier somehow.

Edit: New page:

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hell astro course
Dec 10, 2009

pizza sucks

Delta Echo posted:

Wow. I'm pretty sure I just won this thread.

I'd call this a master stroke, but I think we all know what stroke is being mastered here. :c00l:

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
You'd think somewhere in those 12 hours you'd have noticed Elsa's braid is on the wrong side.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Pick posted:

You'd think somewhere in those 12 hours you'd have noticed Elsa's braid is on the wrong side.

That's to show that the crotch is ironic.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
It's Mirror Elsa.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
when Elsa sang let it go she was actually talking about her sexual repression and now she likes to suck and gently caress like the rest of us

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥

Delta Echo posted:

I claim full credit for all this win

Hey retard, thanks for linking your 'trolling' to the EVE thread so get to join in on the pointing and laughing!

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
Joke's on all you guys, this guy works for PIXAR and this is a leaked screenshot of FROZEN 2, the first feature length film entirely animated in source filmmaker. They had to reverse-engineer the Brave hair technology to make sure Elsa's pubes were shaved the entire time

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I wonder if any artists here could weigh in on a situation where your character requires foot and hand covering but apparently no underwear. Anyone? Anyone here at all?

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Pick posted:

I wonder if any artists here could weigh in on a situation where your character requires foot and hand covering but apparently no underwear. Anyone? Anyone here at all?

what do you mean that's how I dress every day

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
You know how some people really like to go rock climbing and just won't shut up about it?

Crocoswine
Aug 20, 2010

*spends 12 hours painting over an EVE screenshot*

ha ha, I am so good at trolling

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
wow lots of dogpiling prudes itt


Pick posted:

I wonder if any artists here could weigh in on a situation where your character requires foot and hand covering but apparently no underwear. Anyone? Anyone here at all?

maybe you should try writing something other than false gods :rolleyes:

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I don't think people who make their characters not wear underwear realize how gross vaginas can get

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx

Voyager I posted:

Hey retard, thanks for linking your 'trolling' to the EVE thread so get to join in on the pointing and laughing!

Ahahaha

Delta Echo posted:

Creative Convention is getting trollt right now because they can't handle a capsuleer drawn as Elsa.

Bahahaaha

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
A magnificent forums own goal.

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
Listen comic artists need to be taken down a peg.
We don't get owned by our decision to draw comics every god drat day or anything.

himajinga
Mar 19, 2003

Und wenn du lange in einen Schuh blickst, blickt der Schuh auch in dich hinein.

Rincewind posted:

A magnificent forums own goal.

All my favorite threads are absolute clusterfucks right now

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.

Troposphere posted:

I don't think people who make their characters not wear underwear realize how gross vaginas can get

I'd actually love to see a story about a vagina-havin' warrior that doesn't wear pants so they can just pee/ovulate during battle without having to clean up.

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013

Fortis posted:

maybe you should try writing something other than false gods :rolleyes:
My good sir, I see you've quite cleverly alluded to something mentioned earlier in the thread!

Unless this is a big coincidence. In which case, holy crackers. I mean I suppose it's possible, however unlikely.

Do you have an opinion on it? That image I posted that has a note reading 'false gods' in magic marker at the top of a column of character traits? Because color me interested in a rousing back and forth.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Scribblehatch posted:

interested in a rousing back and forth.

Well that explains Kiki.

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine

Scribblehatch posted:

My good sir, I see you've quite cleverly alluded to something mentioned earlier in the thread!

Unless this is a big coincidence. In which case, holy crackers. I mean I suppose it's possible, however unlikely.

Do you have an opinion on it? That image I posted that has a note reading 'false gods' in magic marker at the top of a column of character traits? Because color me interested in a rousing back and forth.

I think it doesn't really mean anything and is kinda silly. I guess the intent is to get people to understand that not every character needs to be likable, relatable, or sympathetic, but... the easy way to express that is to just say that. I agree with FunkyAl on this; characters are stimulus->response. They are their own people, so they respond to stuff happening the way they would.

To act like column A and column B are mutually exclusive is a little disingenuous. Compelling, dimensional characters can be likable and sympathetic. They can also be shitheels. They're individuals with their own minds. So... do that. You invent a person and you imagine what it would be like for them to exist.

At the end of the day writing a character-driven story is really like running a simulation and seeing what everyone would do when things happen or other characters do things.

To top it all off I don't get what's even meant by "False Gods" except "I am overdramatizing the point"

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013

Does no one read the southeast-most post-its in that image, or what?

Crocoswine
Aug 20, 2010

Stop defending the dumb post-it note picture that makes vague vacuous statements that ultimately say nothing.

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
But that's what I'm saying, first it says they can RUIN STORYTELLING and then basically says that they're fine but can be misused. Oh, okay. You can misuse a lot of stuff, like brushing your teeth with an oreo or making a comic page 99% exposition text boxes. It boils down to "to make good characters, make them good characters, as opposed to bad ones".

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Scribblehatch posted:

Does no one read the southeast-most post-its in that image, or what?

I read it, it doesn't make the rest of it seem lest pretentious though :shrug: To each their own etc

FlyinPingu posted:

Stop defending the dumb post-it note picture that makes vague vacuous statements that ultimately say nothing.

Man the Zen Pencils guy is just getting lazier

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
FWIW I see that image as the sort of Inspirational Motivational Image you see shared on the internet - well intentioned but rather woolly. I'm not sure it is actually worthy of this huffy argument people seem intent on having.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

FlyinPingu posted:

Stop making posts that make vague vacuous statements that ultimately say nothing.

Crocoswine
Aug 20, 2010

Fangz posted:

FWIW I see that image as the sort of Inspirational Motivational Image you see shared on the internet - well intentioned but rather woolly. I'm not sure it is actually worthy of this huffy argument people seem intent on having.

It's not worth having any conversation over at all, but Scribblehatch seems intent on starting some kind of meaningless dialogue about it.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.

Fangz posted:

FWIW I see that image as the sort of Inspirational Motivational Image you see shared on the internet - well intentioned but rather woolly. I'm not sure it is actually worthy of this huffy argument people seem intent on having.

I hate that poo poo and want to shut it down as many times as I see it lol

VV those are moderately helpful VV

FunkyAl fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jul 28, 2015

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013

Plenty of critics go "There is nothing relatable about ____" as if that's a point all by itself. When, meanwhile, I find nothing relatable about Spike Spiegel. Being relatable is not the point. They're not to be confused with the building blocks. When building a pizza you do not sprinkle the oregano before anything else.

If anyone had taken the Wally Wood or Pixar lists to task, we'd be talking about those instead.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Scribblehatch posted:

When, meanwhile, I find nothing relatable about Spike Spiegel.

Spike's an honest guy trying to do the right thing, so in a way this make a lot of sense.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
The woods panels are a quick reference cheat sheet for decent panel composition, not any sort of rule that's being championed. The pixar list is their specific perogative when it comes to storytelling, that list is mostly useless if you don't work at pixar/are trying to copy pixar outside of a couple of the less plot specific steps like reducing the number of characters.The thing with the post it notes is, like, a whole nother level of mind numbing and pointless, same with the discussion of precensorship(sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, sometimes it's okay, it can be anything).

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013

I'm hearing a names being called. Not a whole lot of extrospection. "Because it's DUMB and you brought up POINTLESS poo poo!" Yes yes yes. Very good.

I think it's a fun image that does what it's meant to do: Spark discussion. And I'm confident the outlier of Sturgeon's Law will find its way here eventually. It takes the best of them to be devil's advocate.

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
Honestly I think every character should have at least a shred of relatability because otherwise why is anyone gonna care what's going on in their heads? Entirely unrelatable 'characters' are more like forces of nature or beasts.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
Man I GUESS, but you posted em up there like they were all the big cheatsheet to writing comics

It's some local single mom invents one weird trick to write all stories and now screenwriters hate her kinda poo poo. It's 2/3 good advice, but also meant to be internalized in a way that's less, "here's how you do things" and more "here's how these people did things, here's how it worked for them, here's what I think about their work, now I'm going to consider that along with countless billions of other things I have read an seen in an attempt to create a work of art others find compelling." It's abstract and complicated in a way helpful images like these either overlook or assume you're already considering

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Scribblehatch posted:

I think it's a fun image that does what it's meant to do: Spark discussion.

I'm glad the thread is getting a lot of action but the discussion itself is actually kind of dull, I liked it better when people ITT were talking about making their comics :/

Also I doubt that "sparking discussion" was really what the image was meant to do? I think its intent was to guide writers but w/e

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

FunkyAl posted:

Man I GUESS, but you posted em up there like they were all the big cheatsheet to writing comics

It's some local single mom invents one weird trick to write all stories and now screenwriters hate her kinda poo poo. It's 2/3 good advice, but also meant to be internalized in a way that's less, "here's how you do things" and more "here's how these people did things, here's how it worked for them, here's what I think about their work, now I'm going to consider that along with countless billions of other things I have read an seen in an attempt to create a work of art others find compelling." It's abstract and complicated in a way helpful images like these either overlook or assume you're already considering

As the "dumb moves in advertising" thread would say- BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SO IT WORKED or something

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Scribblehatch posted:

I'm hearing a names being called. Not a whole lot of extrospection. "Because it's DUMB and you brought up POINTLESS poo poo!" Yes yes yes. Very good.

I think it's a fun image that does what it's meant to do: Spark discussion. And I'm confident the outlier of Sturgeon's Law will find its way here eventually. It takes the best of them to be devil's advocate.

nobody wants to talk about it because it's asinine bullshit much like all of your posts

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GreatJob
Jul 6, 2008

You did a Great Job™!

if only I had poser then this fanart I made would have been done, but instead I spent twelve hours making this

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