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VectorSigma posted:Ten were in the kitchen, and I really wonder why nobody went into the cooler/freezer. Seems like that would be a pretty safe place to hole up, being metal and insulated and with a nice tight seal. It's a map of dead bodies. No bodies in the cooler kind of answers your question
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simplefish posted:It's a map of dead bodies. No bodies in the cooler kind of answers your question or it could mean somebody threw chains on the door because they didn't want someone stealing soda or some poo poo
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Yeah, I suppose. But it doesn't say they didn't try either
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Staryberry posted:It sucks to have your flight re-routed due to weather, but I cannot imagine how terrifying it must have been to experience this landing This is a KLM plane, but during the bad storm last saturday, a Transavia flight to Rotterdam airport was redirected to Amsterdam Schiphol airport after they had to abort a landing. They circled above Amsterdam for a while, attempted another landing, aborted at the last moment and went back up. After that they were almost out of kerosene and had only one try left. According to folks on board, the cabin personnel shouted (instead of using the intercom) "Brace for impact, get your head down!" a few times, and then the plane landed in a rough but safe manner. A frequent flyer said that it was a rather traumatizing experience. After landing, the plane went to some gate quite far from the main hall, the passengers left the plane... and then they were left alone. They walked the distance to the central hall by themselves, and after they asked around and complained, in the end a KLM employee showed them where their luggage was and arranged bus rides to Rotterdam. Transavia told the press that they were too busy 'dealing with the storm' to have anyone help the passengers, but promised they would give the passengers a phone call later that week to ask if they were doing okay. drat Transavia, is it that hard to get a single customer service person out there and receive/support a bunch of people who just survived a very risky emergency landing? I'd give that some priority. But nope, gently caress our customers, let KLM deal with it. simplefish posted:It's a map of dead bodies. No bodies in the cooler kind of answers your question Nobody died behind the bar or in the dressing room. I conclude those are safe places to be during a fire. Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Personal OSHA: between me and office exit door #1 a couple guys are doing soldering on the sprinkler system, between me and office door exit door #2 there are a couple of dusty, mouldy water damaged archival boxes, blocking said door. Oh hey, that café is still barely within range of the office wifi, looks like i'm working remotely today.
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Jul 28, 2015 11:15
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A bloo bloo I'm too weak to move some boxes even though it would improve everyone's safety a bloo bloo 
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Jul 28, 2015 11:34
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Jerry Cotton posted:A bloo bloo I'm too weak to move some boxes even though it would improve everyone's safety a bloo bloo I would, but we compressed the entire content of an office in a space ~5% of the original surface because we're also redoing the floors. It's literally a solid mass of floor to ceiling, wall to wall stuff. There's no where else to put it, it really shoud've been taken off site because why the hell do we still have boxes of documents from 1997. I'll snap a pic when I need to come back in and grab a thing from the printer 
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Jul 28, 2015 12:17
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surebet posted:I would, but we compressed the entire content of an office in a space ~5% of the original surface because we're also redoing the floors. It's literally a solid mass of floor to ceiling, wall to wall stuff. There's no where else to put it, it really shoud've been taken off site because why the hell do we still have boxes of documents from 1997. ETA on floor collapsing from boxes pressure please?
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Jul 28, 2015 12:22
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surebet posted:I would, but we compressed the entire content of an office in a space ~5% of the original surface because we're also redoing the floors. It's literally a solid mass of floor to ceiling, wall to wall stuff. There's no where else to put it, it really shoud've been taken off site because why the hell do we still have boxes of documents from 1997. Well I can tell you what we did with all the documents from 2007 in 2010: chucked them in a locked bin which was then taken to be incinerated. The contents, not the bin. The bin was metal and therefore hard to incinerate.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well I can tell you what we did with all the documents from 2007 in 2010: chucked them in a locked bin which was then taken to be incinerated. (Haha I bet you didn't even notice when we visited your office?)
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VectorSigma posted:This is a map of where the victims of the Station fire were found. 1 guy on the dance floor.  Godspeed.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:46
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These kinds of crowd crushes/stampedes scare the poo poo out of me. When my wife and I saw a group in Baltimore a couple years ago, It really helped me enjoy the show more that there were large well-marked and well-lit exits on every side. They did have unblocked access to the outside, I checked. The construction was mostly concrete and steel, no foam poo poo, no pyrotechnics, and yes they did have fire sprinklers. It was a loving awesome show, too.
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Uncle Enzo posted:It was a loving awesome show, too. Now I'm imagining someone writing concert reviews based solely on how well the venues comply with OSHA standards.
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Ak Gara posted:1 guy on the dance floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well I can tell you what we did with all the documents from 2007 in 2010: chucked them in a locked bin which was then taken to be incinerated. We've got all our old paperwork that doesn't need to be kept as a reference out in a conex container in the back. The owners (and all of the longtime employees) are old and not completely in touch with the 21st century; I was the one who started scanning class files and accounting paperwork onto our shared server, and now I train all the college and high school kids who come in to do it after hours. We're scanning and shredding all the class files from 2008 to 2010 (and shredding everything older immediately) because we're generating just as much paperwork as always and literally ran out of room for new stuff. One of the employees brings in her 15-year-old autistic son to shred the paper for $5 an hour. He gets compulsive pleasure out of the action and noise, so as long as he has papers in his hand he basically feeds paper at the mechanical speed of the shredder. He literally will not stop unless he runs out of paper or needs to empty the box, so he finishes three boxes full of thousands of pages each in an hour.
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I was reading a book called Tinderbox about the Irquois Theatre Fire in Chicago. That was pretty horrifying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire At these exit points, there were piles of bodies as high as ten feet. They had difficulty pulling them apart. . A couple of months ago there was a nasty arc flash accident that occurred at Los Alamos National Laboratories. There's a report out now on what happened. https://engineering.llnl.gov/content/assets/docs/efcog/7_9_15_TA_53_FinalReport.pdf TL;DR: Guy was in a section of 13.8kV switchgear that had live bus sections. He was using a spray cleaner around the bus, it short circuited and resulted in an arc flash that blew him back and set his clothing on fire. He survived but with pretty serious injuries. Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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I walked into a gas station(royal farms for maryland people) to buy a cup of coffee this morning. 5ish employees, 10ish customers. I hear a noise that's out of place: crackling and popping like electricity arcing and I can faintly smell smoke/ozone. I walk around the store until I find the source: a electrical cable on a fridge near the registers was worn in some manner and arcing against the chassis. I call an employee over and point out the smoke and the sound of electricity. First thing the dude does? Grab the loving refrigerator door to investigate. While it probably wasn't big deal since the chassis is insulated from the door, it was still one of the top 100 dumbest things I've ever seen. I stop him, tell him to post some cones/employee to guard the hazard, try and shut it off at the breaker and call a manager. I immediately purchase my coffee and get the gently caress out before the place catches fire or I end up having to perform CPR at 7am. The moral of the story is probably that a lot of people get killed because they're totally oblivious to the hazards around them. 15 people probably heard and did nothing about the sound of electricity snapping/popping/crackling or the smell of ozone/smoke.
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Also, more work OSHA! Yesterday I went into a guy's office to drop off a file. He's one of the very few people who works here in the daytime who's the same age as me (as opposed to elderly or middle-aged), and he tends to be hilariously incompetent and sometimes downright rude about not doing his job. In our latest misadventure, I smelled burning plastic in his office. I started walking away, figuring it wasn't my problem. But then I realized that he probably didn't have a handle on the situation at all and went back to ask what the smell was. Turns out he was testing out an instructor's projector, which was mailed to him so he could replace the bulb (why this guy was replacing the bulb, I will never know). After less than 5 minutes of testing, the projector was burning hot and smelled like it was on fire. Until I gently reminded him of this problem, he was ready to just box and ship it back. I asked about its status today and he said that he tested it again and it wasn't burning hot or smelling after about 20 minutes, so he's going to just send it out to a class that goes for 8 hours a day and see if any complaints come back afterward.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:
I was building those electric sit-stand desks at work one day, with a crew of 6 or so guys. One guy gets his desk built and begins testing the unit, only for nothing to happen. I'm working on my desk when I start smelling electrical, you know the smell. I wander around, sniffing out the problem until I come to the other guy's desk. None of the other guys notice anything wrong. He's got his unit plugged in, still trying to work out what's wrong, when I point out to him the weird smell is coming from the control unit and he needs to unplug it. He argues with me that he knows what he's doing and he'll figure it out. After a couple minutes back and forth trying to convince him it wasn't his actual fault but a defective part, I gave up and had him put his hand on the control unit, which was still plugged in. After almost burning himself, he agreed that maybe there was a problem and maybe we should get a replacement control unit. My point? Even people who work with electronics all day long don't really know when poo poo is unsafe. If you think something is up, do something/tell someone exactly like this guy because you might be the only one with enough sense to notice it.
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Caedus posted:If you think something is up, do something/tell someone exactly like this guy because you might be the only one with enough sense to notice it. the hallmark of an effective safety culture but it doesnt make for very good osha thread fodder
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I love stories about electrical safety from a time before electrical safety."Dangerous Trades, 1902 posted:In the Electric Central Station in Olten, a workman, desirous of proving to his companions that a pressure of 500 volts was quite safe, seized both of the leads and was killed instantly. From this it is obvious that the general opinion of a pressure of 500 volts not being dangerous does not hold good, the limit being much lower. In spite of the great number of disasters which have already happened, the danger does not seem to have been generally appreciated, and workmen and erectors are often seen to deal with leads and apparatus of relatively high pressures in the most careless manner. That disasters have not taken place oftener may be due to the fact that in most cases help has been readily at hand.  It took them a very long time to figure out that putting an electrical switch in a grounded metal box was a good idea. Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Jul 29, 2015 02:05
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Read up about the early days of american football. The casualty rates were horrendous and it only made people more eager to play.
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Three-Phase posted:I love stories about electrical safety from a time before electrical safety. That is a fantastic book. The whole thing is at archive.org https://archive.org/details/dangeroustradesh00olivuoft
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:ETA on floor collapsing from boxes pressure please? Considering the contractors working below the floor are knocking out walls and have questioned audibly on a few occasions if the thing they just removed was load bearing? Also I heard one of them mumble something about asbestos so yeah I'll be working from home, anyway with the AC has been on the fritz for a week and with the announced 45C/113F tomorrow I'd be kinda pissed if what kills me is a heat stroke.
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Haha, I used to drink at that pub. What I liked most about that incident was that it was the publicans son who posted the video, the day after it happened. I mean, who cares about liability insurance when you have a funny video to share Here's what the pub looks like now; the tree that fell was in that planter box in front of the red sedan. Noticably missing these days are the other 15-metre tall trees with stunted root systems that used to be there as well:  Old pic of big trees with nothing keeping them firmly attached to the ground:  Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCjKOxXzaI
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well I can tell you what we did with all the documents from 2007 in 2010: chucked them in a locked bin which was then taken to be incinerated. Anything pre-2008 can burn. Most of the 5 following years can burn as well. I wrote a significant portion of the last 2 so of course that can go as well.
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Proper OSHA today; I got to sit through 8 hours of fire alarm testing! At least my earbuds cut out the really harsh tones. Turns out that involves a guy walking the building with a smoke generator in a plastic cup on a pole that he just puts over the smoke detectors, while a guy at the panel cancels the alarm when it sounds. And presumably other stuff, since the school isn't big enough to need 8 hours to smoke-test.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JGEGZ4Hyo Found this today. Not very long but you can skip to 1:15 for the cool part.
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Pyroclastic posted:Proper OSHA today; I got to sit through 8 hours of fire alarm testing! At least my earbuds cut out the really harsh tones. He also tests the pull alarms and checks that sprinkle head layouts and stuff like exit signs were installed to plan  (I interned at a fire protection engineering firm during college, I was the guy on the panel a few times. I read a lot of NFPA reports about fire disasters like the nightclub fire in my downtime. Never live in a mobile home.)
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Zero One posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JGEGZ4Hyo Interesting. The train wasn't going to fast, but the driver says she fell asleep and had been doing a lot overtime shifts. But the fail-safe mechanisms shown in the video should have prevented that kind of input error. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-cta-blue-line-crash-anniversary-met-0325-20150324-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/redeye-cta-better-safety-protocol-in-year-since-blue-line-crash-20150324-story.html Chicago Tribune posted:Investigators found that in the O'Hare crash, the automated braking system activated but failed to stop the train. Ema Nymton fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Pyroclastic posted:Proper OSHA today; I got to sit through 8 hours of fire alarm testing! At least my earbuds cut out the really harsh tones. Turns out that they were testing the fire alarms yesterday at my school, but they didn't warn anyone first. Thankfully it turns out that my earbuds can make me oblivious to the fire alarm when I'm in my office with the door closed.
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Mr. Despair posted:Turns out that they were testing the fire alarms yesterday at my school, but they didn't warn anyone first. That might suck a little bit if there is an actual fire.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:That is a fantastic book. The whole thing is at archive.org That is a good book! 
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FIRST TIME posted:I think it's been a long time since this has been posted in this thread.
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Speaking of schools, I am reminded of something that happened in my high school. It was when they did a full school evacuation practice. So the designated safety folks (teachers who had done an OSHA training or something) got into fluorescent vests and went from classroom to classroom telling everyone to leave, and calmly walk to the meeting spot in the meadow across the road. I think the teachers were informed in advance that this practice would be done 'sometime this week' or whatever. In any case, one of the history teachers, a very strict, unpleasant old woman, refused the safety guy's order. She said she was busy teaching and didn't have time to stop for some silly thing. After the safety guy (her colleague) argued with her for like 10 minutes she apparently figured he wouldn't go away and decided to give in, and let him take the pupils and her outside. I'm guessing the school director had an interesting talk with her afterwards.
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Carbon dioxide posted:I'm guessing the school director had an interesting talk with her afterwards. Our folks once ran an evacuation simulation and one of our floor wardens left a (simulated) blind person behind to (simulated) burn to death. It was an interesting discussion and he didn't stay a floor warden. We also planned a multi-organisation emergency plan test in which everyone was meant to preface every radio and telephone call related to the exercise with "Jameson Jameson Jameson". See if you can guess what happened when the fire brigade were callled for a faux-chemical spill.
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Twice a week at work they do a system test for the fire alarms. "Just ignore it when it goes off" Said a manager. "Stand around for 5 minutes waiting to see if it turns off" said another manager. ~ Months later ~ "What the hell is going on where is everyone" - A fire marshal doing an evacuation test. 
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Ak Gara posted:Twice a week at work they do a system test for the fire alarms. "Just ignore it when it goes off" Said a manager. "Stand around for 5 minutes waiting to see if it turns off" said another manager. We had work done in my apartment that triggered the fire alarm many time per day for a few weeks straight. We started out with really bad participation (I think I saw ~10 people outside on the first one out of 60-80) and by the end literally no one made the effort. A month later we failed a municipal inspection because only a handful of us figured that since the contractors had left maybe it wasn't them. Few months later an actual fire broke out in the middle of the night and only 6 people bailed. The building's super had to run from door to door banging on them like a lunatic to get people up, and even with some smoke in the common areas people were apparently unconvinced.
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What irritates me is that they have the emergency warning alert sound playing in a tv commercial for the emergency warning thing. So on some channels there's a false alarm every ten minutes.
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