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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I'm also kind of miffed that various articles are claiming that Bernie supporters will likely fall in line and vote D in the general if Hillary wins the nomination. I'm sorry, but I count myself among the "take my ball and going home" crowd when it comes to that, and I have a feeling a lot of other Bernie supporters have the same outlook.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I count myself among the "take my ball and going home" crowd
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Joementum posted:Bernie has a chance in the sense that quantum possibilities exist. Joe, if Hillary suddenly gets felled by a massive (real) scandal, do you think Bernie would take her place or would America move to the metric system on January 20, 2017?
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Jul 29, 2015 02:42
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I've always found it funny/odd when a news source (like that Bloomberg article) complains that Hillary will have a harder time in caucus states because of their nature compared to primary states. It's like, are you basically admitting that having Bernie supporters talk about their views in a forum-like aspect will be detrimental to Hillary's supporters (i.e., influence them to jump ship)? Not really sure why you feel the need to be a huge, immature child if your guy doesn't win, but I think you're deluding yourself if you believe a statistically significant portion of Bernie Sanders' supporters feel the same, even if they will have to hold their noses when they vote. They, unlike you, understand the risks of letting the GOP win the Presidency.
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Chamale posted:Joe, if Hillary suddenly gets felled by a massive (real) scandal, do you think Bernie would take her place or would America move to the metric system on January 20, 2017? No I think a lot of other actual Democrats would enter the race.
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The real secret to voting is to really gently caress it up when you're 18 so you can't even convince yourself that your vote should be ideological instead of practical. That's what I learned voting for two Bushes.Chamale posted:Joe, if Hillary suddenly gets felled by a massive (real) scandal, do you think Bernie would take her place or would America move to the metric system on January 20, 2017? If Hillary is out there's no way to know who gets it because there's going to be a bunch of people jumping in. Maybe Diamond Joe, but definitely that fucker Cuomo. Unless Gillibrand jumps in before he does.
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Woops! Got confused about the forum again!  I'm all in favor of Cuomo getting into the race, and winning, and leaving NY forever.
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Gyges posted:If Hillary is out there's no way to know who gets it because there's going to be a bunch of people jumping in. Maybe Diamond Joe, but definitely that fucker Cuomo. Unless Gillibrand jumps in before he does. It's definitely Gillibrand. Maybe Patrick. Cuomo can't get through a Dem primary.
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Listen, there's a lot of folks in the Bernie thread calling you guys "shitheads" and "dumbasses" but since I didn't really know anything about the D&D subforum, I couldn't bring myself to agree. At this point, I'm wondering why the fixation on someone who's been apolitical their entire life should be convinced to vote for an establishment candidate, especially with reactions like these. The same goes for my own extended family--mostly apolitical until we started discussing Bernie around the beginning of June. This kind of circles back to the first half of my post which seems to have been conveniently ignored. Why should we throw our lot behind Hillary as opposed to Bernie? In my view, if one is so certain of a Hillary nomination but otherwise agrees with the democratic socialist positions of Bernie, then they would lose nothing by voting for Bernie in the primaries/caucuses. (I'll admit it doesn't look like any of you fall into that camp anyway). I'm not sure what an individual's voting record has to do with supporting an admittedly fringe candidate, Nintendo Kid et al. This isn't about that. It's about staying true to my conscience (and by extension my family's conscience), and since the rest of my family is so apolitical, there's a lot at stake--a lot more than caring whether the GOP wins the general.
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Chamale posted:Joe, if Hillary suddenly gets felled by a massive (real) scandal, do you think Bernie would take her place or would America move to the metric system on January 20, 2017? 
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theblackw0lf posted:There's 3,344 Bernie Sanders Organizing Meetings tomorrow night with 93,291 RSVPs he doesn't. remember, the syndicated news repeated that he was unelectable over and over because the news puts facts first and not opinions. so it must be true  Alter Ego posted:Not really sure why you feel the need to be a huge, immature child if your guy doesn't win, but I think you're deluding yourself if you believe a statistically significant portion of Bernie Sanders' supporters feel the same, even if they will have to hold their noses when they vote. They, unlike you, understand the risks of letting the GOP win the Presidency. Also this. Lesser of two evils deal. I rather have Hillary than any of those loons. Lastgirl fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Alter Ego posted:Not really sure why you feel the need to be a huge, immature child if your guy doesn't win, but I think you're deluding yourself if you believe a statistically significant portion of Bernie Sanders' supporters feel the same, even if they will have to hold their noses when they vote. They, unlike you, understand the risks of letting the GOP win the Presidency. At this stage everyone says that. Almost everyone falls in line. I live in deep blue Massachusetts and in 2008 I worked at a small credit union. Of 20 coworkers, 19 of us were Democrats. BTW the Republican outlier was our VP of finance who single-handedly falsified our books to the tune of 1.4 million dollars and sank the company, but I digress. All of us in the loan department were huge Obama supporters, the marketing department was all middle aged women who were Hillary all the way and were 100% serious when they said they would never in a million years vote for a man who snatched the nomination away from the first woman who had a serious shot, and they didn't care if a Republican made it, someone had to send a message to the party that women had waited long enough. It was rough, at some point we all decided that we just couldn't talk about it. For the general every single one of them came around.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:At this point, I'm wondering why the fixation on someone who's been apolitical their entire life should be convinced to vote for an establishment candidate, especially with reactions like these. Because if you refuse to vote for candidates run by the establishment in the major state/nationwide elections, you will never ever vote for someone who actually get sinto office, and depending on what state you're in you and people like you can end up letting actually bad people in. Jedi Knight Luigi posted:
All I'm pointing out is there's only one candidate in the Democratic Primary right now with a truly solid base of minority and female support, the primary people who vote democrat; while basically all the other candidates are way more heavily supported by white males, the demographic most likely to vote Republican or not at all. So it's no surprise that their supporters will be whiners who refuse to vote for the Democrat in the general, they're prone to being pouty at best and Republican at worst, demographically. And since you're a supporter of one, well, no one is really surprised you'll refuse to vote when your special snowflake doesn't get in. Maybe the metric system has another chance in 8 years?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Woops! Got confused about the forum again! Look, as a Floridian I've had quite enough lovely governors and would rather you keep your lovely governor out of the national arena. Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Listen, there's a lot of folks in the Bernie thread calling you guys "shitheads" and "dumbasses" but since I didn't really know anything about the D&D subforum, I couldn't bring myself to agree. At this point, I'm wondering why the fixation on someone who's been apolitical their entire life should be convinced to vote for an establishment candidate, especially with reactions like these. The same goes for my own extended family--mostly apolitical until we started discussing Bernie around the beginning of June. Somewhere around 99.97% of everyone posting here and voting in the Democratic primary are voting for Bernie, or at least hoping that he stays in long enough for them to vote for him. Bernie's a good guy and he's got mostly good positions. Definitely the ideologically better choice. The thing that got the responses was deciding to simply not vote for Hillary no matter what. The functional difference between a Hillary and Bernie Presidency is both real and relatively minor. However if you refuse to vote for Hillary, you're making it easier for the Republicans to get the White House. If you believe in Bernie and his positions, Hillary is going to get you at least partially there, while Bush or whoever isn't coming anywhere near there. In our system the choice is between the Democratic and Republican Candidates, refusing to vote for the one makes it easier for the other to win. Next President has a chance at 2-3 Supreme Court nominations, further filling up the judiciary with decent judges, enacting regulatory reforms and enforcement, and not listening to the foreign policy brainiacs who brought you Reagan, Bush and Bush. If you live in a ridiculously blue or red state where voting for Gay Hitler and his running mate Black Stallin doesn't matter then, sure, write in Full Communism Now. If however you live in a state where either party could actually win, not voting for Hillary is working at odds with your beliefs and goals, even if it makes you feel all icky. Go ahead and wash the taste out of your mouth with a few shots of Vermont Maple Syrup afterwards.
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Joementum posted:Bernie has a chance in the sense that quantum possibilities exist. In the Kitty History universe kitty Bernie Sanders becomes kitty President. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Lvv1f5Qu4
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list of democrats more likely to win than sanders hillary biden everyone else
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Nintendo Kid posted:So it's no surprise that their supporters will be whiners who refuse to vote for the Democrat in the general, they're prone to being pouty at best and Republican at worst, demographically [citation needed] Partisans will rally behind their candidate despite any gnashing of teeth like always. Bernie isn't in the business of going negative and generating hard feelings anyways because he knows that he is incredibly unlikely to win and wouldn't sabotage the person who is a lot closer to where he sits on the political spectrum. I could see a bunch of people who are normally unengaged abstaining when he loses but an actual Democrat is incredibly unlikely to vote for the kinds of Republicans running. But Hillary doesn't need them to win anyways.
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Third World Reggin posted:list of democrats more likely to win than sanders
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Unless you are literally a millionaire, you should not be donating money to Hillary Clinton. She'll have plenty.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Listen, there's a lot of folks in the Bernie thread calling you guys "shitheads" and "dumbasses" They're just mad at fishmech and Mcallister and assume they speak for all of us.
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I just donate directly to The Clinton Foundation so I can get all those sweet political favors.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Listen, there's a lot of folks in the Bernie thread calling you guys "shitheads" and "dumbasses" Please don't take posts in the shitpost thread at face value, unless they're talking about bernie's policies and campaign, voting/working for bernie, or bernie-related speeches/events. We're all a bunch of goons fangirling about a Good Man and posting silly gifs. Come join us if you want to have a good time. Namaste 
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Nuclearmonkee posted:[citation needed] Whites voted for Romney 59-39 over Obama. Men voted for Romney 52-45 over Obama Most of the Democratic Primary candidates have a far heavier white and male base of support then a certain other candidate. QED
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Gyges posted:Go ahead and wash the taste out of your mouth with a few shots of Vermont Maple Syrup afterwards. Would it look something like this? 
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Gyges posted:
This is where I am. My vote in the KS caucus means more than in the general (well for president, downticket does matter so I will vote).
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I think some people just have thin skin when it comes to optimism in politics. For sure this is the time to be excited and optimistic about a candidate like Bernie. He still trails Hillary by a wide margin in the polls, but he's drawing large crowds and getting truly progressive ideas out on a national stage. We're still several months out from the primaries so I don't understand why people get the wind knocked out of their sails so easily about it. Save that for after the first couple primary results are in and go from there. If you support him as a candidate, now is the time to donate to his campaign or volunteer or whatever. If he doesn't get the nomination, I will most likely vote for Clinton rather than not vote at all. But now isn't the time to get defensive about his prospects. We're still months away from that, so enjoy this while you can.
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NEED TOILET PAPER posted:Please don't take posts in the shitpost thread at face value, unless they're talking about bernie's policies and campaign, voting/working for bernie, or bernie-related speeches/events. We're all a bunch of goons fangirling about a Good Man and posting silly gifs. Come join us if you want to have a good time. Namaste This is also true.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Whites voted for Romney 59-39 over Obama. lol if you think there is significant overlap between Bernie Sanders supporters and Republicans. A white male that will vote for Bernie is most likely not going to vote for a Republican. If they aren't willing to vote for Hillary they probably won't vote at all and it won't matter because if Hillary wins she will probably lose the white vote like other Democrats do and still win.
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Gyges posted:Look, as a Floridian I've had quite enough lovely governors and would rather you keep your lovely governor out of the national arena. Thank you for the reasoned response. As someone who definitely falls into this camp... Nuclearmonkee posted:I could see a bunch of people who are normally unengaged abstaining when he loses ...I appreciate you trying to look at this whole thing from my shoes, and by extension, my family's. The conscience thing is a big deal to us, especially because we're religious. I can't imagine too many fundamental Christians out there (my entire patrilineal line has been conservative Lutheran ministers) voicing their support for a candidate like Sanders, yet here we are. To that end we're much more concerned with economic policy than with social policy, because a lot of liberal social policies have nothing to do with our day-to-day lives. That's the beauty of living in a country trying to maintain a more perfect separation of church and state; a voter's church constitution can disallow gay clergy and marriage, and at the same time that voter can support a candidate like Sanders despite his stance on that particular social issue. It's a great thing and it'll be interesting and stimulating to discuss it with my family and friends while it lasts. e: VVVV This is true. One of my more politically active friends (also a former Ron Paul supporter) has stated that he will vote for "either Sanders or Paul" on Facebook. I remember replying something along the lines of "that's nice to know, but I can't get behind a guy who equates single-payer health care with doctor slavery  "
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Nuclearmonkee posted:lol if you think there is significant overlap between Bernie Sanders supporters and Republicans. A white male that will vote for Bernie is most likely not going to vote for a Republican.
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JT Jag posted:There's a not insignificant number of Sanders supporters who are former Paulistas and don't support him because of his specific policies so much as that he's the highest-profile supposed outsider in the primaries. Not unlike how a few percent in the polls say they'd vote for Hillary vs. Bush, but Trump if he was in as a third party.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:lol if you think there is significant overlap between Bernie Sanders supporters and Republicans. A white male that will vote for Bernie is most likely not going to vote for a Republican. If they aren't willing to vote for Hillary they probably won't vote at all and it won't matter because if Hillary wins she will probably lose the white vote like other Democrats do and still win. I said there's a significant overlap between the supporters of most of the democratic field and people who are more likely to not vote at all, or to vote Republican, then to vote democrat. Hence it's not really surprising that when someone supports them they're also self-describing as super loving flaky on actually voting in the general. Please keep up, it's really not complicated. Jedi Knight Luigi posted:To that end we're much more concerned with economic policy than with social policy, because a lot of liberal social policies have nothing to do with our day-to-day lives. Man you're really not helping your case when you talk about how people having basic rights isn't important to you. Or when you're pretending economic policies and social policies don't heavily intersect by necessity, outside a post-scarcity utopia.
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Third World Reggin posted:I am glad bernie sander supporters can look into the mirror to see a trump supporter on the other side lol
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I'm voting for Bernie in the primary but not Hillary in the general. Also, I voted against Obama in 2008 and 2012. AMA.
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Joementum posted:I'm voting for Bernie in the primary but not Hillary in the general. Also, I voted against Obama in 2008 and 2012. AMA. What is your favorite thing about Donald?
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:At this point, I'm wondering why the fixation on someone who's been apolitical their entire life should be convinced to vote for an establishment candidate, especially with reactions like these. As some have already pointed out, no one here thinks badly of Bernie and almost everyone is probably going to vote for him (if he lasts long enough for them to do so). People here do get a little irritated when they hear pro-Bernie people becoming wrapped up in attacking Hilary and declaring that they'll either stay home or vote Republican out of spite (actual posts in this thread). One thing to point out is that not voting Clinton in the general is especially dumb because it thoroughly undermines the left wing of the party. Not only will we lose out on having a democrat in the white house and a democrat nominating 2+ Supreme Court justices, but if the Republicans win, then the Democrats will see that as liberal policies being unable to compete on the national stage and move to the right in the hopes of winning next time. This undermines everything Bernie Sanders hopes to accomplish and achieve.
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