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prefect posted:"yes we can build a bridge for the cost you're offering, but it will have holes it in and catch fire" it was more "yes we can pay you what you want and also build something resembling a bridge so your constituents wont figure it out" the thing the Chinese suck at is hiding the graft and incompetence. us civil contractors are pros at that poo poo
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prefect posted:"yes we can build a bridge for the cost you're offering, but it will have holes it in and catch fire" more like "yes" -delivers bridge with holes in it and which bursts into flames "steel is well known to catch on fire when in the sun. we see no problems." like that's what amuses me about these stories. American companies will normally finger point and find a scapegoat ASAP but it seems that many of the Chinese manufacturers will go Baghdad Bob and claim there is no problem and that everything is working as intended even when the dumpster fire is visible to everyone. heck even the government does the same when people's point out they are doing shady poo poo like making fake islands to turn into airstrips
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Jul 30, 2015 16:06
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Vicas posted:i mean it's less something intrinsic to china and more the fact that most of the time people are going to the lowest possible bidder and hoping stuff like this doesn't happen part of it is the inherent problem w/ giving public money to a private entity to construct public infrastructure at a profit, yeah another part is that caltrans didn't adhere to their own standards for design, construction quality, and even the preliminary conceptual decisions like bridge tower location and finally this was exacerbated by chinese business culture which yes does have the intrinsic quality of "it's just good business to cut every corner that you can if you aren't caught" Shaggar posted:embarrassed that someone found them out, maybe p much
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Jul 30, 2015 16:10
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bassguitarhero posted:meanwhile sfpd has been ticketing bicycles for blowing through crosswalks, red lights and stop signs so bicyclists have been shutting down transit hubs like the wiggle with their tantrum good we're seeing that bicycle traffic enforcement is a major problem when you start building out bike lanes in urban areas they've tried to get ahead of it by promoting educational programs to kids like "hey you can't bike on the sidewalk" and "here's how you signal a turn to cars" and "no the right side of the road is where you belong" but that doesn't seem to be working v well w/o any kinda enforcement so you get one cyclist going up the wrong way of a one way street or blowing thru a 4-way stop and then other cyclists see this behavior and normalize it and boom you new 200 miles of bike lane in your urban core now results in 4x as many bike-car collisions
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Jul 30, 2015 16:16
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:bikes have better visibility and stopping distance and no soundproofing on the operator, quite a few studies show no notable increase in accidents from rolling stops when done properly. people who blow through traffic signals without checking for cross traffic with right of way are obviously going to get creamed anyway but they are idiots and will always be idiots and that's a completely different issue if they were only rolling thru signs without pedestrians or cars that would make sense and is also why cops looked the other way for so long now they blow through red lights and crosswalks with pedestrians and maneuver around them and are throwing a fit they're being ticketed for it the stopping law isn't written to say "we will have a cop at every intersection forever" it's there because people will always push reasonable interpretations to excessive levels of fuckery
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Jul 30, 2015 16:27
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yeah, Iowa Stop law is cool and wish more states would adopt it.
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Jul 30, 2015 16:29
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there was an sf blog article yesterday about cops ticketing at page/Octavia intersection and bicyclists were melting down over it thing is I walked thru that intersection Tuesday and had to yell at a bicyclist to stop before she hit me. she's looking to the left for oncoming traffic clearly intending to blow thru & I'm crossing from right. less soundproofing to hear when I yell and "they'll do less damage when they hit you" are not great arguments to blow through crosswalks
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Jul 30, 2015 16:34
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but stopping/starting is hard can't I just endanger every pedestrian and motorist ever
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Jul 30, 2015 16:48
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bassguitarhero posted:there was an sf blog article yesterday about cops ticketing at page/Octavia intersection and bicyclists were melting down over it Well they are doing their part by not polluting so you have to cut them some slack 
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Tatsujin posted:but stopping/starting is hard can't I just endanger every pedestrian and motorist ever as a ped it's p easy to knock an oncoming cyclist off of their bike since they can't really swerve esp if you've got a nice heavy bag to swing
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Jul 30, 2015 16:59
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:wait is that the bridge that also had newspaper and other garbage mixed in to the concrete or a different one that bridge was in shanghai and it actually collapsed
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Jul 30, 2015 17:03
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:as a ped it's p easy to knock an oncoming cyclist off of their bike since they can't really swerve yeah the second I do that to stop someone about to hit me every blog in the city will be "angry black man attacks beautiful white cyclist"
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bicyclists need to be more considerate of pedestrians i say this as a bicyclist
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Jul 30, 2015 17:13
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bassguitarhero posted:yeah the second I do that to stop someone about to hit me every blog in the city will be "angry black man attacks beautiful white cyclist" yeah that would terrify the yuppie shithead cyclists in to behaving
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Jul 30, 2015 17:32
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Share Bear posted:bicyclists need to be more considerate of pedestrians same
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wyoak posted:which hotel? it was the harmon in city center. just up the strip past the cosmo (which owns) never really went anywhere because they found out about the structural deficiencies during construction and lowered the height by 25 stories then it game out that if there was an earthquake, the thing would likely topple and kill everyone inside, so they are demoing it
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Jul 30, 2015 17:56
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that whole city center area is baffling, it's like "heres a bunch of luxury stores that are in every casino but now they're in a mall and also if you take a wrong turn you are now a mile from the strip it's applying casino layout principles on public space but without any of the benefits [alcohol, loud noises, shiny objects] of a casino
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Jul 30, 2015 18:18
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ayn rand hand job posted:then it game out that if there was an earthquake, the thing would likely topple and kill everyone inside the ultimate gambling experience, in a way
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qirex posted:that whole city center area is baffling, it's like "heres a bunch of luxury stores that are in every casino but now they're in a mall and also if you take a wrong turn you are now a mile from the strip Cosmopolitan looks nice inside though, and the pool burns pretty well, so I support it
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Jul 30, 2015 18:28
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qirex posted:that whole city center area is baffling, it's like "heres a bunch of luxury stores that are in every casino but now they're in a mall and also if you take a wrong turn you are now a mile from the strip during the traffic conference last week it was p funy when the vegas city engineer told us how they had to purchase a vehicle primarily intended for washing pavement markings on airport runways in order to clean the road gunk off of all the new green bike lane markings since vegas gets no rain and it just accumulates he said that they hafta run every month and a half
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Shaggar posted:it was more "yes we can pay you what you want and also build something resembling a bridge so your constituents wont figure it out" i learned at work how vastly ahead the US is in graft and corruption compared to the rest of the world. we had to explain to one of our visiting finance guys from europe how to get a vendor to lease you a car and how to structure kickbacks so no one would notice and it totally blew his mind! he says all the people in europe get busted doing really stupid stuff with financials and literally embezzling by writing themselves checks from the company.
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ayn rand hand job posted:it was the harmon in city center. just up the strip past the cosmo (which owns) the best part is from what I've heard the inspection company was in bed with the metalworkers and trusted them to self inspect instead of actually inspecting. the metalworkers decided that the way the plans specified to tie the rebar together at the pillars was a pain in the rear end and they just did it a different way. can you imagine being the civil engineer who spotted the trouble when they were pouring the 7th floor? Share Bear posted:bicyclists need to be more considerate of pedestrians same. I hate riding in groups because of other riders being cockgoblins about not following road rules.
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Shifty Pony posted:the best part is from what I've heard the inspection company was in bed with the metalworkers and trusted them to self inspect instead of actually inspecting. the metalworkers decided that the way the plans specified to tie the rebar together at the pillars was a pain in the rear end and they just did it a different way. ride with better people. our group will kick you the gently caress out for egregious violations
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Beast of Bourbon posted:i learned at work how vastly ahead the US is in graft and corruption compared to the rest of the world. usa #1 
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Shifty Pony posted:same. I hate riding in groups because of other riders being cockgoblins about not following road rules. I feel safer in a group when I have to ride down roads which have no bicycle lanes. Which is a lot of roads  .
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Holyshoot posted:I feel safer in a group when I have to ride down roads which have no bicycle lanes. Which is a lot of roads i used to live next door to a bike shop guy and he liked to recommend riding closer to the centerline of the roadway b/c it then forces cars to pass you like another car and keeps you from being doored
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i used to live next door to a bike shop guy and he liked to recommend riding closer to the centerline of the roadway b/c it then forces cars to pass you like another car and keeps you from being doored Couldn't you be pulled over for impeding traffic? If it was really sketchy I usually just rode on the sidewalk. sorry peds (even though sidewalks are typically empty on major roads).
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computer parts posted:it sounds like they did what was asked, it's just that what was asked was pants on head stupid Nah, CalTrans engineers actually called out the precast concrete pieces not being to spec during an inspection in China, at which point they were security escorted from the premises and banned from ever coming back. There were also stories of importing slaves to build the bridge, I think? CalTrans is absolutely to blame for the entire situation, since they were the ones waiving standards/regulations in order to meet schedule and budget goals, then awarding bonuses to the contractors for meeting those goals in obviously unsafe ways, and also for allowing foreign companies to low-bid the project. But there's no way the "they were just following directions" excuse can fly for all of the contractor behavior.
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Holyshoot posted:Couldn't you be pulled over for impeding traffic? If it was really sketchy I usually just rode on the sidewalk. sorry peds (even though sidewalks are typically empty on major roads). In California a bicycle can take a lane, the law has a stipulation like (paraphrasing) "when needed for safety" but this effectively means "whenever, as long as not being obnoxious about it." However the reality still remains that drivers are blind, retarded, loving idiots and will not see you even if you have a million strobing ultra-bright LED lights and high vis jersey and pants and will just plow into you killing you instantly. You will never see them coming because you are moving at most 15-30mph and they are usually speeding 5-10mph over the speed limit which is usually anywhere from 35-55mph on a road you would typically ride a bicycle on. I have ridden thousands of miles on California roads, and I take a lane a lot but I have also been nearly killed (people screeching to a stop behind me) twice doing this and once I was actually hit by a car which loving sucked (bike totaled, hospital). So basically my point here is that riding your bicycle in the street, while legal, is a loving terrible idea 99% of the time and you should ride extremely defensively if you want to live. soy fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Holyshoot posted:Couldn't you be pulled over for impeding traffic? If it was really sketchy I usually just rode on the sidewalk. sorry peds (even though sidewalks are typically empty on major roads). You have the legal right to three feet (in most states anyway) distance between you and the car, and you should be leaving yourself some room on the right in case you have to maneuver around something you won't be going into the car lane. If there is not enough room in the lane (say a road with a concrete or raised divider like in some residential areas) you are ok to take the lane to prevent a car from passing in an unsafe manner.
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soy posted:In California a bicycle can take a lane, the law has a stipulation like (paraphrasing) "when needed for safety" but this effectively means "whenever, as long as not being obnoxious about it." exercise your second amendment rights, fit a rear turret manned by a friend and apply kinetic safety techniques to any drivers who don't slow down well in advance
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soy posted:In California a bicycle can take a lane, the law has a stipulation like (paraphrasing) "when needed for safety" but this effectively means "whenever, as long as not being obnoxious about it." you also left out the part where the motorist will never be convicted or even charged with anything at all no matter how egregious it is.
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whenever i'm on a narrow rode and there's a bicycle ahead i'll treat it as another car . it's hilarious the drivers behind me get
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if you wanna murder someone just wait for them to get on a bike!
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Papercut posted:Nah, CalTrans engineers actually called out the precast concrete pieces not being to spec during an inspection in China, at which point they were security escorted from the premises and banned from ever coming back. There were also stories of importing slaves to build the bridge, I think? they belong in jail and will probably not arrive there until the next big seismic event collapses that bridge and kills thousands while also impeding emergency response efforts
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Shifty Pony posted:can you imagine being the civil engineer who spotted the trouble when they were pouring the 7th floor? 
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ethically speaking i can not imagine being the civil engineer who spotted that because i am not a professional engineer and am only one under industry exemption i do not wish to breach the public trust of engineers by misrepresenting myself in such a position
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Jul 30, 2015 19:50
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unlike software "engineers"
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im a marketing engineer and i can tell you those guys DEFINITELY hosed up w/regards to the pr of the whole thing. should have used american labor and construction companies and painted the entire thing red white and blue and named it the San Francisco - Oakland Ronald Reagan International Bay Bridge
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