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divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

coyo7e posted:

It's one of those little things that show your privilege. When I first went to college to study software engineering, it was a big shock to me to suddenly no longer be the smartest kid in the room, and it took smoe gettnig used to the idea that I was really just average like almost everybody. Most of my classmates never seemed to figure that out, though.

Attest to Clear.

Yudkowsky dropped out of grade school, so never got that experience. This is why he, being a bright kid, should go to college.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 19:51

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# ? May 9, 2024 16:35

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
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coyo7e posted:

It's one of those little things that show your privilege. When I first went to college to study software engineering, it was a big shock to me to suddenly no longer be the smartest kid in the room, and it took smoe gettnig used to the idea that I was really just average like almost everybody. Most of my classmates never seemed to figure that out, though.

I outright failed at science because it turns out that while I'm really good at recalling facts and narratives (which is why I redirected into history/religious studies) I can't remember visuals and Calc 3 is a giant loving wall for me. Learning that you can't do certain things or aren't talented at everything is a part of growing up.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 20:04

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

The Yudkowsky Solution is whenever you hit a brick wall of something you're not good at, you either accuse the field of being hopelessly confused by lesser mortals or groundless and useless.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 20:12

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Wait, what grade did he drop out of? Does he understand that when his parents die he will have to support himself?

# ? Jul 30, 2015 20:14

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Jack Gladney posted:

Wait, what grade did he drop out of? Does he understand that when his parents die he will have to support himself?

I dunno, Peter Thiel probably won't die too soon.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 20:15

Hate Fibration: Apr 8, 2013; FLÃSHYN!

Everyday I am thankful for the fact that my parents refused to tell me my IQ test scores as a kid, and knew that I was too emotionally immature for a the GATE program.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 20:32

darkwasthenight: Jan 7, 2011; GENE TRAITOR

Hate Fibration posted:

Everyday I am thankful for the fact that my parents refused to tell me my IQ test scores as a kid, and knew that I was too emotionally immature for a the GATE program.

GATE should really be a decoy operation where the survivorsthat graduated take time off from their busy schedule of mopping floors and resetting servers to beat the living poo poo out of the next generation of geniuses in a soundproof room. "You'll. *WHACK* Thank. *THUMP* Me. *BASH* One day. *CLUMP*"

# ? Jul 30, 2015 21:44

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

coyo7e posted:

It's one of those little things that show your privilege. When I first went to college to study software engineering, it was a big shock to me to suddenly no longer be the smartest kid in the room, and it took smoe gettnig used to the idea that I was really just average like almost everybody. Most of my classmates never seemed to figure that out, though.

During orientation my first week of college, the dean was giving a big speech to all the incoming freshmen and one of the things he said was "A lot of you were probably the smartest kids in your highschool, maybe even your town! But now you're all on the same level, it will take some getting used to!" and I remember thinking "oh I'm definitely not the smartest kid at my highschool and I got to this college merely by being really good at taking tests and scoring high on the SAT's but I'm not really that good at classwork I hope nobody finds out :ohdear:

# ? Jul 30, 2015 23:41

Kit Walker: Jul 10, 2010; "The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

darkwasthenight posted:

GATE should really be a decoy operation where the survivorsthat graduated take time off from their busy schedule of mopping floors and resetting servers to beat the living poo poo out of the next generation of geniuses in a soundproof room. "You'll. *WHACK* Thank. *THUMP* Me. *BASH* One day. *CLUMP*"

Haha. Yeah I went from GATE in elementary to one of the top public schools in the country (that you have to score high enough on a test to get into) where people would argue with teachers because they only got a 97 on the last test and really they should at least get half a point on that one question and this is totally going to wreck their chances of getting into MIT. My GPA was poo poo because my home situation got bad and I never even graduated from college but at least I learned how to be a functional social adult while most of my former classmates are still trying to approach women like a logic problem.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 01:12

Ronwayne: Nov 20, 2007; That warm and fuzzy feeling.

My dad forbade me to skip grades early and said that sitting out years in public school was more important than anything you actually learned in classes. I look back on my goon life and am kinda scared how much more messed up i'd be if I had been that 15-16 year old idiot trying to get into college :stonk:

# ? Jul 31, 2015 02:12

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

divabot posted:

I used to be a child prodigy - my mum sent me a newspaper clipping from back then, I was in local papers and on TV a coupla times

And you're not going to share with us?

# ? Jul 31, 2015 03:54

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

eschaton posted:

And you're not going to share with us?

It's not interesting, it's "wow this kid has an iq of 200! and knows all these big words! and talks about science stuff!" That was pretty much the substantive content. Really, child prodigies aren't actually interesting.

(and if I was this sort of person, I'd still be claiming an IQ of 200)

My kid is also very bright at school. This is unsurprising because her parents were too. So we've realised the actual problem is socialisation and learning how to work and not skim by (like I didn't learn). The school know this too, so we're doing OK there. "We know you're clever, so were we, and that's not enough. You need to do the work." "Aw, I'm BORED!" "Too bad."

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# ? Jul 31, 2015 09:09

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Coates is my hero because he cultivates his comments section. Engaging some of the off the wall arguments that people try to wield against his ideas in good faith is honestly pretty brave of him.

He also gets points for unironically writing articles about Spider-Man.

Which are more interesting and logical than the entire Dark Enlightenment.

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# ? Jul 31, 2015 09:22

Curvature of Earth: Sep 9, 2011; Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

divabot posted:

It's not interesting, it's "wow this kid has an iq of 200! and knows all these big words! and talks about science stuff!" That was pretty much the substantive content. Really, child prodigies aren't actually interesting.

(and if I was this sort of person, I'd still be claiming an IQ of 200)

My kid is also very bright at school. This is unsurprising because her parents were too. So we've realised the actual problem is socialisation and learning how to work and not skim by (like I didn't learn). The school know this too, so we're doing OK there. "We know you're clever, so were we, and that's not enough. You need to do the work." "Aw, I'm BORED!" "Too bad."

For the record divabot, I've been interacting with you for years and while you're clearly derned smert, you've never once come across as a twatty-faced genius with their head up their rear end.

Interesting, stereotypical child prodigies, like Moshe Kai Cavalin (aka that 15 year old with a bachelors in math from UCLA), don't usually come across as arrogant jagoffs either.

As for very bright adults, the YouTube channel Numberphile is essentially nothing but mathematics PhDs talking excitedly about math�surely these are the ubermensch nerds of Yudhowsky's dreams? But far from arrogant, they merely seem passionate and even a little bit flattered that anyone is interested in what they do. The guy who interviews them is "just" a layman, but whenever he interrupts them to say "that sounds like nonsense", they take it in good stride and often even admit that what they're saying is indeed nonsense, and they're perfectly happy to answer questions from the audience that probably seem really dumb to them.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 19:42

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Curvature of Earth posted:

For the record divabot, I've been interacting with you for years and while you're clearly derned smert, you've never once come across as a twatty-faced genius with their head up their rear end.

Aw, you guys! No, my assholism is a different kind.

Curvature of Earth posted:

Interesting, stereotypical child prodigies, like Moshe Kai Cavalin (aka that 15 year old with a bachelors in math from UCLA), don't usually come across as arrogant jagoffs either.
As for very bright adults, the YouTube channel Numberphile is essentially nothing but mathematics PhDs talking excitedly about math�surely these are the ubermensch nerds of Yudhowsky's dreams? But far from arrogant, they merely seem passionate and even a little bit flattered that anyone is interested in what they do. The guy who interviews them is "just" a layman, but whenever he interrupts them to say "that sounds like nonsense", they take it in good stride and often even admit that what they're saying is indeed nonsense, and they're perfectly happy to answer questions from the audience that probably seem really dumb to them.

People with achievements tend to talk about and be talked about in terms of the achievements. People with esoteric achievements tend to be delighted when ordinary people are interested. People with no achievements but high test scores talk about the test scores. Or are sensible enough to refrain from doing so.

ps: with that name you need a Weird Sun twitter.

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# ? Jul 31, 2015 21:34

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Weird sun twitter is the really boring post-rationalist group dedicated to posting ~~substance-less banalities literally everyone agrees with on principle~~ meta level ideas, right?

# ? Jul 31, 2015 21:56

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Weird sun twitter is the really boring post-rationalist group dedicated to posting ~~substance-less banalities literally everyone agrees with on principle~~ meta level ideas, right?

It's dedicated to producing material that, if it does really well, will get retweeted by RationalWiki.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:24

Merdifex: May 13, 2015; by Shine

The Vosgian Beast posted:

post-rationalist

From what I can tell, this is indistinguishable from NRx (and as such, from stupidity)

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:37

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Merdifex posted:

From what I can tell, this is indistinguishable from NRx (and as such, from stupidity)

It's them, but it's also the people who aren't on LW any more because it's too weird and insane but they still know each other. The cluster on Tumblr.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:52

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

I like to call them insight wankers, because they use "insight porn" to describe things they like a lot.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:14

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Also the idea of masturbating to a Malcolm Gladwell book or equivalents thereof is funny to me.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:15

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Also the idea of masturbating to a Malcolm Gladwell book or equivalents thereof is funny to me.

"Turns out�"

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:03

Billy Gnosis: May 18, 2006; Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Also the idea of masturbating to a Malcolm Gladwell book or equivalents thereof is funny to me.

Explains the 10,000 hour rule. They just want to get really good.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 13:40

Merdifex: May 13, 2015; by Shine

Have you guys come across the clever alt-right troll Godfrey Elfwick? Satirizing what the shitlibs think (trust me, they totally do!) by taking their beliefs to their logical extents!

# ? Aug 2, 2015 06:01

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

I wonder what it's like to be consumed with rage over something most people will never know about or care about. He seems to break character to endorse prostitution and pornography. I think.

# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:29

Phobophilia: Apr 26, 2008; by Hand Knit

WELCOME TO THE DARK ENLIGHTENMENT *WHIPCRACK*

# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:47

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Jack Gladney posted:

I wonder what it's like to be consumed with rage over something most people will never know about or care about. He seems to break character to endorse prostitution and pornography. I think.

I follow this thread, the political cartoons thread, and the free republic thread. It really makes me question my sanity.

e: and I just read what looks like the conclusion to the worst Funky Winkerbean storyline yet and there is nobody I can rage with. I don't know why I do this to myself.

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# ? Aug 3, 2015 00:17

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

I had to quit both the freep thread and the polititoons thread for that reason. They do things to your mind.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 00:26

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

So... it's a stretch to relate this to this thread, but I was just reading an old AI research paper, and they were approaching the same complex problem with Bayesian analysis, decision trees, and neural nets, to detect patterns of toxicity for different properties of chemicals.

The thing that made me thing of this thread is that while the actual intelligence algorithms while imperfect, were hitting 90% accurate sortings of non-learning-set chemicals into their appropriate categories(more if a person trimmed obvious computer generated decision artifacts), naive bayesian analysis was basically barely distinct from random guessing.

code:

Bayes Model (p<0.001)
Accuracy: 0.66
Sensitivity: 0.71
Specificity: 0.56

code:

Random Guesser (p<0.95)
Accuracy: 0.57
Sensitivity: 0.68
Specificity: 0.33

It just reminds me of the LessWrong/MoreRight single-model, no intelligence strain of thinking.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 01:36

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Assuming that More Right are using bayesian methods to arrive at most of their views is giving them way too much credit.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 02:35

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Merdifex posted:

Have you guys come across the clever alt-right troll Godfrey Elfwick? Satirizing what the shitlibs think (trust me, they totally do!) by taking their beliefs to their logical extents!

Hey guys let me tell you about how Harrison Bergeron is a cautionary tale about progressivism...

# ? Aug 3, 2015 03:11

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

ikanreed posted:

So... it's a stretch to relate this to this thread, but I was just reading an old AI research paper, and they were approaching the same complex problem with Bayesian analysis, decision trees, and neural nets, to detect patterns of toxicity for different properties of chemicals.

The thing that made me thing of this thread is that while the actual intelligence algorithms while imperfect, were hitting 90% accurate sortings of non-learning-set chemicals into their appropriate categories(more if a person trimmed obvious computer generated decision artifacts), naive bayesian analysis was basically barely distinct from random guessing.
code:
Bayes Model (p<0.001)
Accuracy: 0.66
Sensitivity: 0.71
Specificity: 0.56
code:
Random Guesser (p<0.95)
Accuracy: 0.57
Sensitivity: 0.68
Specificity: 0.33
It just reminds me of the LessWrong/MoreRight single-model, no intelligence strain of thinking.

Could you reference the paper? I know a few Bayesian-biased researchers who may find it irritating/insightful.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 03:35

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Hey guys I used the brilliant new tools for thinking that LW taught me, and applied them to let me see unbiased reality unclouded by tribal associations, ideology, and obscuring politics, and it turns out that alt right people were entirely right about everything.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 03:42

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Most people can't deal with the hard stark truths revealed by modern science about humanity, which, as it happens, is exactly like 19th century anthropologists thought it was

# ? Aug 3, 2015 03:45

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Could you reference the paper? I know a few Bayesian-biased researchers who may find it irritating/insightful.

After spending close to a decade in a psych research institution, anyone who throws up numbers without sources - is full of poo poo or just cherry-picking. True science has a longer citation page than the 100 page white paper article in a scientific journal.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 05:17

Mister Mind: Mar 20, 2009; I'm not a real doctor,
But I am a real worm;
I am an actual worm

The Vosgian Beast posted:

It's like imagining a future society where the works of Thomas Friedman are banned as dangerous thoughtcrime.

I want to go to there.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 05:22

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

I'd like to push Charles Krauthammer into a wide, deep pool of thin concrete.

Am I a bad person?

# ? Aug 3, 2015 05:29

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Could you reference the paper? I know a few Bayesian-biased researchers who may find it irritating/insightful.

Not if they've taken an intro class.

First, no free lunch theorem. Second, Naive Bayes is basically called Naive Bayes because everyone knows its assumptions are almost never met; the surprising thing is how well it works still. Third, Bayes is a (simple) mathematical statement that nobody will ever doubt, and which all machine learners somehow need to account for; and it entails clearly that if you put in the wrong likelihood and/or prior, you get the wrong result, and most certainly Naive Bayes means putting in the wrong likelihood.

# ? Aug 3, 2015 06:52

Ronwayne: Nov 20, 2007; That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Okay, what the gently caress is this Roko Basilisk thing and why are nerds afraid of it? From what I can tell its basically:

Correct?

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Ronwayne posted:

Okay, what the gently caress is this [redacted] thing and why are nerds afraid of it? From what I can tell its basically:

Correct?

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

you're basically condemning ALL of us to eternal nanotorture

# ? Aug 3, 2015 07:10

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