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I remember in high school there were ROTC kids who would recite the drill sergeant lines as if Full Metal Jacket was a comedy, and when I actually watched the movie I was just super confused why anyone would think those lines were like these hilarious lines. How can you watch Gomer blow his brains out, and think wow that looks like fun.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:This mainly just makes me think of military people as insane and unpleasant. kuddles fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Jul 30, 2015 20:24
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The_Rob posted:I remember in high school there were ROTC kids who would recite the drill sergeant lines as if Full Metal Jacket was a comedy, and when I actually watched the movie I was just super confused why anyone would think those lines were like these hilarious lines. How can you watch Gomer blow his brains out, and think wow that looks like fun. Because they don't think they'd get Gomered. Duuuuhhhhhhh 
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Jul 30, 2015 20:25
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The_Rob posted:I remember in high school there were ROTC kids who would recite the drill sergeant lines as if Full Metal Jacket was a comedy, and when I actually watched the movie I was just super confused why anyone would think those lines were like these hilarious lines. How can you watch Gomer blow his brains out, and think wow that looks like fun. Hey, man, he's not a bigot! He calls everyone a human being!
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Jul 30, 2015 20:29
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morestuff posted:Tabloid, though the crime there is more fun. Seconded, it is loving amazing especially at the end.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:38
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Think about it, though. Are there any subcultures you can think of that don't have "wrong role models" or are unsusceptible to "not getting it"? This isn't a psychopathology I'm talking about here, even.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:44
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My father was a marine and had me watch one of his favorite movies, Full Metal Jacket, when I was about 8-10. I was, obviously, horrified, and it completely turned me off from ever joining the military, supporting war, or making heroes out of troops because they chose to be troops. I don't see how someone can watch that movie and walk away thinking it's pro-war, pro-military, or anything even close to that. It's insane. I can understand someone watching The Guest and thinking "being military is cool, I'd be like a superhero'. But watching FMJ and signing up for the military is insane. I worked with a large amount of prior military, got to know a lot of great guys, but it's insane how many laugh about gunning down groups of people for the hell of it.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:45
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Franchescanado posted:I can understand someone watching The Guest and thinking "being military is cool, I'd be like a superhero'. But watching FMJ and signing up for the military is insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4BuQMJEKHw
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Jul 30, 2015 20:51
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Think about it, though. Are there any subcultures you can think of that don't have "wrong role models" or are unsusceptible to "not getting it"? This isn't a psychopathology I'm talking about here, even. I like to think that Goons are above that, but then I realize that FYAD is the only part of this forum with the self-awareness to be truly self-loathing. 
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Jul 30, 2015 20:55
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Chichevache posted:Because they don't think they'd get Gomered. Duuuuhhhhhhh I've literally not met a marine in the last 20 or so years who wasn't at least a little bit off. It's not about being an officer and a gentleman anymore - it's about training yourself to shoot at the profiles of human beings without thinking about it.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:56
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Franchescanado posted:I can understand someone watching The Guest and thinking "being military is cool, I'd be like a superhero'. But watching FMJ and signing up for the military is insane. So what you're saying is that after seeing Titanic you vowed to never set foot on a boat again?
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Jul 30, 2015 20:56
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Chichevache posted:I like to think that Goons are above that, but then I realize that FYAD is the only part of this forum with the self-awareness to be truly self-loathing. TobleroneTriangular already disproved that a while back anyway.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:58
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precision posted:So what you're saying is that after seeing Titanic you vowed to never set foot on a boat again? Only if the boat doesn't have enough lifeboats for everyone. computer parts posted:TobleroneTriangular already disproved that a while back anyway. What is this referring to?
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precision posted:So what you're saying is that after seeing Titanic you vowed to never set foot on a boat again?
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People are complicated obviously, but I grew up watching these antiwar movies with my dad and even as a child I could tell that they were antiwar films. To this day I'm still not 100% sure why he watched them. He turned 18 in 1971 and it is shocking how little he wants to talk about how he felt about the Vietnam War. Mostly he tells me he is lucky he didn't have to go, but he still loves reading books about war (some which glorify it a bit) and he still likes war movies. My brother in law on the other hand is special forces and he loves talking about going to war and he really loves it. We don't exactly get along, but he is a nice guy so long as we don't discuss politics and military poo poo.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:03
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precision posted:So what you're saying is that after seeing Titanic you vowed to never set foot on a boat again? While I get what you're going for, I don't see there being a major correlation. One is a criticism about the military desensitizing people into "killing machines" for a war and the horrors entailed, the other was a romance special effects blockbuster of a famous disaster of a ship. Either way, I wouldn't enjoy either realities.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:31
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Chichevache posted:I like to think that Goons are above that, but then I realize that FYAD is the only part of this forum with the self-awareness to be truly self-loathing. We have a thread in this very forum where people get mad when it's pointed out that the heroes don't act very much like heroes. Silicon Valley, full of ostensibly smart people, are all a bunch of culty creeps. Nobel Disease. On and on. Everybody's got these blind spots and it's probably best to have a healthy respect for critical thinking.
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Having grown up among the military and conservatives in general, I can say confidently that a lot of those guys like anti-war movies because they show soldiers in their native environment, kicking rear end and being bad motherfuckers. It's badass that Gomer Kyle blows his loving brains out, what a cool loving way to go. Look at Animal Mother, he's a crazy fucker with a huge gun who kills people, how loving cool is that? Look at how Joker wasted that bitch, it's kill or be killed out there motherfuckers! There's not much more too it for a lot of those guys. Most of the time, the type of people who would comprehend the anti-war elements in Full Metal Jacket as such don't make it to the military, don't last long if theydo, or will never let on that they do because it goes against the macho, anti-intellectual culture of the military. I don't mean to paint with too broad a brush, because there are a lot of very smart and perceptive people who have been in the military. I guess what I'm saying is that anti-war movies aren't for soldiers; they're to remind the other 90% of society that going to war has tragic consequences.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:40
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You have to remember that to some people, this whole aspirational goal of seeing bands and traveling to Bali and doing yoga and having a regular Starbucks order and poo poo like that; being an urban/suburban liberal, sounds like hell on Earth.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:43
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Netflix releases their stuff at midnight PST, correct?
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morestuff posted:You're Next and The Guest have a sensibility I like and interesting component parts, I just wish someone else had directed them Barrett I think has a tendency to overrely on his sense of humor as things get near the end. Which, y'know, it usually is effective because he's good at hitting the right dark comic beats but it feels like it's usually at expense of the strength of his premise.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:We have a thread in this very forum where people get mad when it's pointed out that the heroes don't act very much like heroes. Silicon Valley, full of ostensibly smart people, are all a bunch of culty creeps. Nobel Disease. On and on. Everybody's got these blind spots and it's probably best to have a healthy respect for critical thinking. I have spent all of my life (except for two years in LA  ) in Silicon Valley, and I have no idea where anyone got the idea that these guys were smart. They're good with computers, much like football players are good at football. Critical thinking and whatever "smart" is are not required.
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Military ideology also has a timeless appeal of purity. Martial prowess and noble execution of duty trump the politics of war. So all war movies have this natural tension where they can be accurate in displaying the thrill and fulfillment of the grunt's POV but come across as uncritical of war broadly — and it's very hard to capture both and still feel like a cohesive, interesting movie. There's many ways to approach war in cinema, so I don't mean to be too reductionist, but modern American war cinema seems to love playing this dichotomy in order to elicit sympathy for front-line soldiers. Full Metal Jacket captures a specific time where the US had the draft, which doesn't apply to Jarhead, but both try in their own way to ask why Americans are drawn to military service. I guess if your uncle with delirium tremens is going "Hooah!" whenever animal mother kills a civilian that's creepy, but they're probably just relating to the extreme camaraderie and terrifying focus that being an infantryman requires. Edit: Also Hundu your four-point summary of white female aspiration made me lol Cocoa Ninja fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days.
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Jul 30, 2015 22:40
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That Works posted:If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days. Counterpoint: scarface. That guy ends up face down in a pool under a sign that says "do you see the tragic, obvious conclusion of this character's struggle?" and gangsters still love it.
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Cocoa Ninja posted:Counterpoint: scarface. That guy ends up face down in a pool under a sign that says "do you see the tragic, obvious conclusion of this character's struggle?" and gangsters still love it. Dying is badass
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Cocoa Ninja posted:Counterpoint: scarface. That guy ends up face down in a pool under a sign that says "do you see the tragic, obvious conclusion of this character's struggle?" and gangsters still love it. He didn't go out like a bitch tho 
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Cocoa Ninja posted:Counterpoint: scarface. That guy ends up face down in a pool under a sign that says "do you see the tragic, obvious conclusion of this character's struggle?" and gangsters still love it. It all builds up to an epic death though and makes him look like a badass even if his own greed put him into that position. I'm thinking more along the lines of typical war movie plot then the supposed MC of the show just dies suddenly because of an IED or friendly fire or something, then go along with another character and repeat process. I don't think It'd be a great film but if you wanted to show something that would maybe make people think more poorly about the subject showcase many of the characters being killed by trivial or preventable mistakes etc.
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That Works posted:If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days. SHINY AND CHROME *fills car with gas and lights road flare*
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Chichevache posted:
A guy that did a gigantic troll for years and then eventually did a giant effort post on how he did it. That Works posted:If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days. Having one of them end up homeless would probably work too.
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I dunno if you're gonna get the audience you'd want for your aggressively depressing war film, although that might just be reductive thinking.
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Can anyone recommend some good documentaries about film/cinema? I've seen The Story of Film: An Odyssey and What is Cinema? Both were fantastic for broadening my horizons on the subject and I'm looking for more like them.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:12
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Das Boot hits similar notes and is an incredibly beloved film, I think there's room for this
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That Works posted:If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days. Not just these days, All Quiet on the Western Front was filmed 85 years ago and is still one of the most harrowing stories about war I've read/watched. I need to reread that book.
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That Works posted:It all builds up to an epic death though and makes him look like a badass even if his own greed put him into that position. I think the best antiwar film would be: OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH posted:
Antimilitary career at least.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:42
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I've never thought that quote was particularly funny...very rude
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(Derail, I know, but...) What was the resolution? Did they go ahead and get married?
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Can anyone recommend some good documentaries about film/cinema? I've seen The Story of Film: An Odyssey and What is Cinema? Both were fantastic for broadening my horizons on the subject and I'm looking for more like them. The Pervert's Guide to Cinema A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession
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That Works posted:If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days. Absolutely not. "If I'm gonna die for a word, I'd rather that word be...poontang."
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HP Hovercraft posted:Los Angeles Plays Itself (WATCH THIS NOW) Blank City is pretty widely available but, vehemently second all of these.
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