inklesspen posted:

All other things are never equal.

Kylra posted:

If the encumbrance tables are anything to go by, real-world women cap out somewhere around strength 20 on Pathfinder's encumbrance table (using heavy load) based on some stats I looked up. Somewhere around 18/91 to 18/00 in 2e.

Coincidentally, 20 is the highest point-buy or roll strength you can get with a human at level 1. 18/00 in 2e.

An olympic athelete is still supposed to be a sub-level 4 NPC class in 3e if I recall correctly, so they couldn't even buy 21 strength.

Halloween Jack posted:

I have no more relevant grogquotes with which to keep up the ruse.

Serf posted:

I believe an estimated 130,000+ Vietnamese women died in the Vietnam War too. So this guy is about as wrong as wrong can be.

paradoxGentleman posted:

There is this tendency you see in grognards and MRAs in particular, but you occasionally see it in all sorts of unpleasant peole, of using the Vietnam War to shut down feminists because THEY never had to go to war and get slaughtered; it sends me into a frothing rage and I am not even American.

paradoxGentleman posted:

There is this tendency you see in grognards and MRAs in particular, but you occasionally see it in all sorts of unpleasant peole, of using the Vietnam War to shut down feminists because THEY never had to go to war and get slaughtered; it sends me into a frothing rage and I am not even American.

STORMFRONT posted:

I completely understood how there could be smart blacks and yet blacks be less intelligent than whites as a whole when I was a child. When was the first time I thought about an idea like that? When I got into Dungeons and Dragons at the age of nine or ten. I knew that elves were more agile than humans. I knew that because they had a +1 bonus (back when I started playing, now its +2) to Dexterity, I knew they were more dexterous even though the average elf had a Dexterity of 11.5 and humans could have a Dexterity of 18.

These days, orcs have an average Intelligence of 8.5 (10.5 average for 3d6, -2) and since IQ roughly corresponds to D&D Intelligence times ten, then that puts your typical orc at an average IQ of about 85 . . . who does that remind you of? Of course, even as a child (long before I was racially aware) I would have known you were a fool if you said that orcs were as smart as humans just because you had an orc character with an Intelligence of 16. So when I was ten, I apparently knew more about statistics than your typical anti does.

And this point may seem a bit silly, but it introduces an important idea that most white people are conditioned not to believe in - racial essentialism. The idea that race determines certain characteristics or tendencies. We knew that elves we dexterous, that dwarves were tough, that orcs were mean and nasty. We also knew that there were exceptions and that exceptions didn't mean that general trends didn't still apply.

D&D also has a lot about racial loyalty. Elves band together in protection of their forests. Orcs raid human villages and have to be stopped by the hero. In D&D, you have loyalty to your people and you know that sometimes a race in general can be a threat to your's.

As I've grown older over the years I've continued to enjoy role playing games and my though the games I've played have advanced beyond just fighting orcs and finding magic items - but I think that some of those ideas I was exposed to as a child were good lessons that maybe helped me come to terms with ideas that are part of beings a White Nationalist.

Nessus posted:

This is usually brought up because you can argue that the Selective Service system in America, which requires all men to register for it (I believe this is necessary for things like voting and drivers' licensure, though you can claim conscientious objector status with some difficulty), is the one institution which does present a discriminatory framework aimed against men, as women would not be drafted to go fight in Bush's oil wars.

The last time the draft was used was in Vietnam and was a large part of that war's massive unpopularity. I suspect that the draft will never be used again save in some WW3 situation (and frankly, we'd be likely to be the ones starting WW3), and I would be in favor, if not passionate about, either abolishing the selective service system or expanding it to include women too.

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To answer the OP. the Strength Table has been a point of contention over sexisim for a long time.

Personally, when I GMed AD&D 1st that chart was more for me the GM, and less for the players. The players got what they rolled. The NPC's followed the stat chart.

What most people forget or intentionally ignore is that AD&D opens with a Big RULE 0 as RULE 1. Gygax says that the game is a collection of rules, use what you want, alter or forget the rest if they don't fit your game. That Rule 0 is often implied in other games but rarely stated as clearly as it is in AD&D 1st.

Sage Genesis posted:

Yep.

Even leaving aside the needless sex-based discrimination, there's this weird "simulationist" tendency to turn statistics for real life human beings into something meaningful for a handful of individual and exception PCs living in fantasy world. PCs are not statistically average. The average human woman might be less muscular than the average human man? So what? The average human woman isn't a motherfucking assassin who can literally dodge lightning either. D&D characters can survive falls from absurd heights, function perfectly fine after numerous injuries, recover like they're the Wolverine, perform magic that makes Jesus Christ's miracles look like mediocre tricks, and for realzies slay gods. These aren't even people, they are mythological titans.

Shadeoses posted:

There's a 1% chance that a random m'lady that you encounter will have transparent flesh down to the bone

ProfessorCirno posted:

The biggest issue, for me at least, with all that OD&D and AD&D shittiness towards women, is not that it exists, but that there are no small number of AD&D fans who will still give mealy mouthed defenses of it.

Mormon Star Wars posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

So it came up in the F&F discussion of Blue Rose that the set-up of Aldis as the setting isn't really "goody two shoes run the world everything is perfect forever", and more importantly, that there are many, many implications and potential plot hooks that could make the kingdom take a much grittier tone than "storybook heroes defending Disneyland", it's just that why would you ever want to do that to Aldis considering that's already what 99.99% of all other fantasy TRPG settings already do?


This means he's spent something like 910 hours/38 days playing ... Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 Edition, with only the "Generic Classes" available.

Serf posted:

I'll give the guy one thing: at least he admits that orcs are essentially a stand-in for black people in most things D&D.

Serf posted:

I'll give the guy one thing: at least he admits that orcs are essentially a stand-in for black people in most things D&D.

Serf posted:

I'll give the guy one thing: at least he admits that orcs are essentially a stand-in for black people in most things D&D.

Shadeoses posted:

There's a 1% chance that a random m'lady that you encounter will have transparent flesh down to the bone

FireSight posted:

Arcanum: Of Steam And Magik Obscura (yes, computer game, but a very D&D inspired game) has a bunch of victorian era humans, and you find researchers who are trying to study the eugenics needed to raise orcs from being "feral" to "more intelligent stature" so... they will make better servants.

(Note, this game has orcs flying biplanes in the opening scene)

Halloween Jack posted:

I have no more relevant grogquotes with which to keep up the ruse. Instead, enjoy these classics.









WOMEN

Literally The Worst posted:

Hey do you have the link to where the FF posts for Blue Rose start?

ProfessorCirno posted:

The intro is great because that's the thing people find more unbelievable. Heavier then air machines? Impossible. Orcs flying it? Now I know you're REALLY loving with me.