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Keldulas posted:I am honestly impressed with what they've done with Vivi here. Like this series of events is spiteful, but.... there's a lot of heart in how he reacts to this poo poo. That more than anything sells what's going on here for me. I've only ever played through the game once, but Vivi was pretty much my favorite character throughout the entire thing. Poor kid needs so many goddamn hugs you don't even know. 
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This sequence is one of the strongest parts of the game. What always gets me are the other black mages. They never speak, you've only just learned of them but in the space of 3 scenes they go from mysterious plot devices to conscious beings that you feel emotional about when Black Waltz 3 massacres them  It's heart wrenching and this whole sequence was what kicked this game into the top tier of my favourites.Tuxedo Ted posted:Right? And its not even the end of a disk! I just realised so many awesome things have happened already and we're only about 15% through the game
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Jul 30, 2015 18:02
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Ghostwoods posted:Zidane seems to have a really weird head. The art style they used for this game in general has a very cartoony "not quite chibi but pretty chibi" set of proportions to it which gives Dagger and Zidane enormous heads and makes everyone look like they're ten. They also emote a lot more like cartoon characters than actual people, which is to say their faces distort more with expressions than you'd expect.
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Keldulas posted:I am honestly impressed with what they've done with Vivi here. Like this series of events is spiteful, but.... there's a lot of heart in how he reacts to this poo poo. That more than anything sells what's going on here for me. This whole section with the airship escape is very special to me not just for really feeling for Vivi in that moment, but also...well, I'm one of those people that when playing older RPGs, I tend to voice everybody, whatever dialogue actually pops up, even the NPCs in various voices cuz I was a kid doing it and the habit stuck. When I had my best friend play this game for the very first time when we were around our mid-20s, I told him about all this and he, for a laugh, said "yeah sure go voice everyone this'll be hilarious". ...we both sorta broke down in tears when I started voicing this scene, I kinda got TOO into it but he's never forgotten this bit as a result.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:25
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I remember when I was younger a lot my friends at school refused to even try this game, solely because of the art style. Suckers missed out.
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Jul 30, 2015 20:43
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Rarity posted:I just realised so many awesome things have happened already and we're only about 15% through the game Yeah, if you go straight from Point A to Point B this game is actually rather short. But the world is so huge and so full of things to do that sometimes you wanna do anything but that.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:11
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TheFattestPat posted:I remember when I was younger a lot my friends at school refused to even try this game, solely because of the art style. Suckers missed out. I also didn't care for it. Back then, Nomura designs were more shiny and interesting and semi-realistic before he just started drinking paint and putting belts, zips and merch everywhere...
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Jul 30, 2015 21:16
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TheFattestPat posted:I remember when I was younger a lot my friends at school refused to even try this game, solely because of the art style. Suckers missed out. I remember seeing FFIX in stores and completely flipping out, since I've never got the older SNES-games thanks to living in the wrong country and missing FFVII and VIII thanks to them being released during a time where I was still working through my SNES-library. (Also I was literally to poor to get them.) Then suddenly we got a PSX and I got FFIX to my birthday. I never expected my mother (who thinks computers are kobold-driven magic modules) to remember my weird longing for Final Fantasy and actually getting me that game! It was like the best day ever. 
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Jul 30, 2015 21:32
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Rarity posted:I just realised so many awesome things have happened already and we're only about 15% through the game 15%?  The game hasn't even thrown us in a proper dungeon yet, unless I'm remembering way incorrectly I'd say we've just barely scratched the surface.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:41
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Captain Bravo posted:15%? Yeah, it's at BEST 5%.... Probably less.
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Captain Bravo posted:15%? In any case, we're about halfway through the first disc, so I'd say 15% is accurate.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:04
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Black Waltz 3 has such a great design, I love it. But he made Vivi sad, so it is good that he got blown up and slammed in a door. Also drat that "chest" on the airship. You spend the whole conversation looking at it and thinking "oh boy oh boy, what's in that chest" and then it isn't one. It's a wonderful trick.
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incidentally, since they were in the last update, here's some concept art of zorn & thorn. mostly because i love the faces they're making, and the subtle differences in their make-up that barely come across in the in-game models.  you can also tell that zorn has a club design on his sleeves, and thorn has a diamond. It's a weird detail, since I don't think anyone has a heart or a spade.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:25
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McDragon posted:
I guarantee that Zidane's line about it was thrown in because playtesters were frustrated by not being able to open it.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:26
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Endorph posted:you can also tell that zorn has a club design on his sleeves, and thorn has a diamond. It's a weird detail, since I don't think anyone has a heart or a spade. Zorn has a club on his right sleeve, and a spade on his left. Thorn, who is red, has a diamond on his right sleeve and a heart on his left.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:28
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Endorph posted:you can also tell that zorn has a club design on his sleeves, and thorn has a diamond. It's a weird detail, since I don't think anyone has a heart or a spade.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:28
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Quantum Toast posted:Too slow 
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Endorph posted:incidentally, since they were in the last update, here's some concept art of zorn & thorn. mostly because i love the faces they're making, and the subtle differences in their make-up that barely come across in the in-game models. A small part of me is hoping Square's decision to remake FFVII will ultimately bear fruit for FFIX.
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Quantum Toast posted:Zorn has club on one sleeve and spade on the other, Thorn has diamond and heart.
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Jul 30, 2015 23:33
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We're talking about Zorn and Thorn. You can't tell me it's not appropriate for us both to say the same thing, at the same time, in different ways.
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Jul 31, 2015 00:11
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Quantum Toast posted:We're talking about Zorn and Thorn. You can't tell me it's not appropriate for us both to say the same thing, at the same time, in different ways. 
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Jul 31, 2015 00:19
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Bad Seafood posted:FFIX is one of those games I'd really like to see a graphical update for just to see it how it must have existed in the designers' heads. 
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Jul 31, 2015 00:56
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FinalGamer posted:Or, yanno, just bring the loving game out on Steam or something. Is it just 9 and 12 that aren't on there now?
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Jul 31, 2015 01:11
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FinalGamer posted:Or, yanno, just bring the loving game out on Steam or something. That would require a from-scratch rebuild - not only was there never a PC version of 9, but there was never an non-PS1 version. The only FF games that are on Steam right now were either made in the multi-platform era (XIII, XIII-2), already had PC releases (VII, VIII), or were already rebuilt from scratch (III, IV). If they were going to port I, II, V, and VI, they'd at least have the code for the process (from the Advance or mobile versions), but IX was never intended to appear off of the original platforms, and nearly all the assets used to make the game were discarded.
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pichupal posted:Is it just 9 and 12 that aren't on there now?
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Endorph posted:10 and 10-2 aren't on there either. Neither is I, II, V, or VI
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Jul 31, 2015 01:50
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Gnoman posted:Neither is I, II, V, or VI If we got FFV on Steam it would be the janky-rear end mobile version and nobody wants that. Nobody at all.
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9's the only game which has never been touched on in any way. 12 at least had the Japan-only International version. I actually kind of hope if they re-release it that they won't touch it outside of maybe adjusting the battle speed. IX's charming enough as it is.
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KataraniSword posted:If we got FFV on Steam it would be the janky-rear end mobile version and nobody wants that. Nobody at all. The only things wrong with FFV mobile are the mainc haracter sprites and some of the world tiles. Both of thsoe could be fixed easily with a patch.
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MonsieurChoc posted:The only things wrong with FFV mobile are the mainc haracter sprites and some of the world tiles. Both of thsoe could be fixed easily with a patch. There's a bunch of little mechanical tweaks that make non-standard runs (like Four Job Fiestas) less enjoyable overall. Some of these are just fixing old bugs (!Calm now works as intended, for better or worse, and Berserker targeting is less random) whereas others just seem to be put there to block out any attempts to play the game differently than intended (Omniscient  ). Considering that a lot of FFV's replay value comes from the things you can do with its job system, it seems like it's just been overly smoothed out in mechanical ways that aren't always to its benefit, sort of like FF3 was when it went from NES to DS. The difference is that FFV was surprisingly well-balanced as it was, so the negative changes are a little more obvious.Also you know if there's any patch to restore 16 bit graphics, it sure as hell wouldn't be official. Square seems married to its "everything must be in HD at all times" motif as of late with remakes.
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KataraniSword posted:Also you know if there's any patch to restore 16 bit graphics, it sure as hell wouldn't be official. Square seems married to its "everything must be in HD at all times" motif as of late with remakes. Which is really odd when the made that FFXIII recap video in FFVI era sprites. The FFV/VI mobile ports don't look particularly HD to me, just.. wrong.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Which is really odd when the made that FFXIII recap video in FFVI era sprites. I think this is just a case of different teams. Like, the mobile ports and remakes are all hideous "HD" graphics, but a bunch of their mobile games (All the Bravest, Record Keeper) are all about the pixel art, retro-izing all the modern characters into 16-bit sprites.
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Jul 31, 2015 03:18
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FeyerbrandX posted:Which is really odd when the made that FFXIII recap video in FFVI era sprites. I don't mind the sprites personally (most of them, anyway; Kefka looks fuckin' WEIRD), but mostly because I was getting sick of the tiny-rear end SNES/GBA sprites. Even a change for the worse is still a change. Still, they could've just gone with the team that did the graphics for FF1/2/4 PSP. Now THOSE were good poo poo.
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Bufuman posted:I don't mind the sprites personally (most of them, anyway; Kefka looks fuckin' WEIRD), but mostly because I was getting sick of the tiny-rear end SNES/GBA sprites. Even a change for the worse is still a change. I wonder what happened to that team. Did they just get blamed for the PSP ports doing poorly (when the problem was more that the PSP was a dead, dead system by the time they came out)?
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ApplesandOranges posted:9's the only game which has never been touched on in any way. IIRC it's because they lost the source code. At least that's what I've heard.
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Jul 31, 2015 04:31
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Jul 31, 2015 04:34
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:IIRC it's because they lost the source code. That would be TRAGIC. I don't think I'd care to see it remastered, but I could go for a really simple HD rerelease on every platform imaginable. I'm starting to play through it on ePSXe, and I'd much rather play it like people play VII on Steam.
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zfleeman posted:That would be TRAGIC. I don't think I'd care to see it remastered, but I could go for a really simple HD rerelease on every platform imaginable. I'm starting to play through it on ePSXe, and I'd much rather play it like people play VII on Steam. It would be tragic but understandable - FF9 came out basically seconds before Squaresoft imploded (the two events happened close enough together that there's just as many "Square Enix" branded copies of FF9 as there are "Squaresoft" branded), so if anything got lost in that turmoil, it'd be the source code of FF9 and basically anything related to The Spirits Within.
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Booourns posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
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Zorn and Thorn completely creep me out. My entire being screams "Kill them with fire."
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