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zoux posted:Given how hard Kitty comes on to Piotr I don't think that Claremont has a problem with creepy. Claremont at least has the sense to have Colossus reject her when kitty is all "hey we're all gonna turn into brood and die, so let's get it on".
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twistedmentat posted:Claremont at least has the sense to have Colossus reject her when kitty is all "hey we're all gonna turn into brood and die, so let's get it on". I thought that was an editorial decision to get Claremont to quit his poo poo.
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Jiro posted:I thought that was an editorial decision to get Claremont to quit his poo poo. It's kind of a long story. Claremont always thought of Colossus as being about 17 when he comes to join the X-Men, although the sliding timescale doesn't exactly play ball with this. He's "nearly 20" just after the first Secret Wars, when Kitty's yet to turn 15. Either way, the age gap isn't huge and Claremont thought it would be cute if Kitty had a crush on Peter. That in turn resulted in the flash-forward relationship in the original "Days of Future Past" storyline, where Kitty and Peter are married and have had children. Claremont proceeded to play with it over the course of the next few dozen issues, with Kitty having a crush on Peter and Peter being too awkward to really respond, but by the end of it they were basically dating and it was relatively chaste. Shooter eventually decided this had to stop, because it looked an awful lot like a 20-something man and a 13-year-old girl hooking up, and threw a wrench in the works with the original Secret Wars. Shooter wrote a subplot in that where Peter falls in love with a weird healer lady from an alien world, and it was specifically there to break Peter and Kitty up. Claremont rolled with it and got some good soap-opera beats out of it, including the famous issue where Wolverine takes Colossus out to a bar to get him drunk and beat the poo poo out of him, but they run into Juggernaut instead.
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I hope werewolf Colossus makes it back to 616 continuity or whatever the main universe is gonna be called after Secret Wars. It'd be nice to see the character have an angle other than baseless self-loathing and "oh no I have to sacrifice myself to save X" plotlines. Also the idea of a solid steel werewolf just tearing through zombies is so 
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Jul 30, 2015 20:46
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I hope werewolf Colossus makes it back to 616 continuity or whatever the main universe is gonna be called after Secret Wars. It'd be nice to see the character have an angle other than baseless self-loathing and "oh no I have to sacrifice myself to save X" plotlines. One of the preview images has a bearded sword wielding Colossus in it, I don't know if that's the one from the future in All New X-Men or if it's from another book.
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For all the people touting Jason Aaron as a guy who lets his artists draw album covers, I'm not sure how "Two girls with medieval weapons making out while riding a solid steel werewolf that is battling a zombie army from across history in a dystopian wasteland" could be made more metal. So I think Gillen and crew have Aaron beat.
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Jul 30, 2015 21:10
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They could also be facing Ultron's swarm.
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Gaz-L posted:For all the people touting Jason Aaron as a guy who lets his artists draw album covers, I'm not sure how "Two girls with medieval weapons making out while riding a solid steel werewolf that is battling a zombie army from across history in a dystopian wasteland" could be made more metal. So I think Gillen and crew have Aaron beat. Sorry, it still doesn't beat  or 
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Still want to see what happens with future galactus after that end.
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Wanderer posted:including the famous issue where Wolverine takes Colossus out to a bar to get him drunk and beat the poo poo out of him, but they run into Juggernaut instead. Which issue is this and is it on Unlimited?
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Jul 31, 2015 00:32
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UXM 183 and yeah.
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zoux posted:UXM 183 and yeah. That ruled. Thanks
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I've been reading comics for 30 years and this is the first time I've ever heard the Jim Shooter shut down Claremont making Illyana and Kitty Pryde a couple. Anyone have a source on that story?? Hollismason fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 04:45
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Hollismason posted:I've been reading comics for 30 years and this is the first time I've ever heard the Jim Shooter shut down Claremont making Illyana and Kitty Pryde a couple. I don't think he did? It's just super easy to read a lot of the prominent friendships between women in Claremont's work as romantic, like how if Illyana was off the board somehow, the sword that was literally forged from pieces of her soul would inevitably end up with Kitty. The dude was a crazy subtext machine.
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zoux posted:UXM 183 and yeah. My favorite single issue of X-Men. Must read if you're interested in any of the characters involved.
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Hollismason posted:I've been reading comics for 30 years and this is the first time I've ever heard the Jim Shooter shut down Claremont making Illyana and Kitty Pryde a couple. I can't think of anything specifically. However, lesbianism was clearly among Claremont's (many) fetishes, and Shooter was known to be very strict and fairly conservative, so it's pretty easy to imagine.
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall at Marvel in the early 80s.
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Gynovore posted:Claremont. Claremont never changes. My aunt went out on a blind date with him back in the late 70's or early 80's. She didn't like him; it was their only date. Looking through the post Secret Wars listings it looks like Chris Bachalo will be drawing Dr. Strange? Cool! I actually have some of his original art (well, colorist's pages) from Shade the Changing Man. Big fan. bad day fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 08:49
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Yeah here's some preview art of Bachalo's Strange:      Maybe they'll have Fraser Irving fill in for some issues like they did on All New.
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I really liked the younger version of Strange from Ultimate Marvel Team-Up. It seemed like a really cool take on the character and the art by Ted Mckeever was awesome. Those preview pages look great, and he appears to be younger & more virile than the Strange we've always known. Did they ever do much with Ultimate Dr. Strange? I've read most of the core Ultimate books but stopped reading after Ultimatum ruined everything.
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Yeah they had Dormammu pop his head like a grape.
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Gynovore posted:I can't think of anything specifically. However, lesbianism was clearly among Claremont's (many) fetishes, and Shooter was known to be very strict and fairly conservative, so it's pretty easy to imagine. JM Dematteis had to tiptoe around calling Captain America's neighbours gay in his run on the book, even though the entire point of those characters was to show that gay people are normal and Cap has no issue with them, unlike the Red Skull, who is a homophobe as well as a racist.
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bad day posted:I really liked the younger version of Strange from Ultimate Marvel Team-Up. It seemed like a really cool take on the character and the art by Ted Mckeever was awesome. Those preview pages look great, and he appears to be younger & more virile than the Strange we've always known. He was in an arc of Ultimate Spider-Man that also featured Ultimate versions of Daredevil, Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, and Moon Knight. It was called Ultimate Knights. Of course in Ultimatum zoux posted:Yeah they had Dormammu pop his head like a grape.
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zoux posted:Yeah here's some preview art of Bachalo's Strange: Fixed for me.
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zoux posted:UXM 183 and yeah. Huh that's funny I have this issue hanging on my wall because Colossus and Juggernaut are two of my favorite X-men characters. Guess it's time to read it.
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Elucidarius posted:Huh that's funny I have this issue hanging on my wall because Colossus and Juggernaut are two of my favorite X-men characters. Guess it's time to read it. No! It's collectible value!!! Jiro posted:Fixed for me. His work on that one Limbo arc of All New was stunning and thematically perfect.
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Strange using weapons makes me wonder if they're going to depower him some.
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muscles like this? posted:Strange using weapons makes me wonder if they're going to depower him some. It worked for Superman! 
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muscles like this? posted:Strange using weapons makes me wonder if they're going to depower him some. They've got the guy who's been doing Thor recently writing. Jason Aaron likes to write things which are metal as gently caress.  I'm not worried. Really looking forward, actually.
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Jiro posted:It worked for Superman! Are you implying it didn't? Because all the superman books are pretty solid atm.
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muscles like this? posted:Strange using weapons makes me wonder if they're going to depower him some. Nah, they said that he'll just bust out more magical weapons when needed. So rather than just stand around and cast spells he'll get more info the thick of things.
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Kaleidoscope posted:Are you implying it didn't? Because all the superman books are pretty solid atm. Ehh I've said it in the DC thread, but I feel as if his Nova Flare feels like an easy way out to write a Superman story that doesn't have him able to fix poo poo so easily because he's Superman. Take for instance the arc currently in Action Comics, while really good, would work just as fine as when he'd have his powers anyway because Superman isn't going to vaporize some cops because they now know who he really is.
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muscles like this? posted:Strange using weapons makes me wonder if they're going to depower him some. Strange's power level has always been "Whatever the heck the story requires".
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Yeah but an axe implies some serious violence. It'd be different for Strange for sure. Since he's a former surgeon I'd have considered something more...I dunno...classy like using his magic in battle then performing surgery on those that violate interdimensional law to lobotomize them so they can't break laws and do black arts or poo poo. A sort of Negotiator - Arbitrator - Contracts guy who keeps order between the realms, protects the 616, calls on the power of the hosts of his power and spells, and exercises a less brawling method of violence than an axe. Eh.
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He was just jealous of Magik's Soul Sword.
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Gatts posted:Yeah but an axe implies some serious violence. It'd be different for Strange for sure. Since he's a former surgeon I'd have considered something more...I dunno...classy like using his magic in battle then performing surgery on those that violate interdimensional law to lobotomize them so they can't break laws and do black arts or poo poo. A sort of Negotiator - Arbitrator - Contracts guy who keeps order between the realms, protects the 616, calls on the power of the hosts of his power and spells, and exercises a less brawling method of violence than an axe. Doctor Strange by way of The Shadow. I'd read it.
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Gatts posted:Yeah but an axe implies some serious violence. It'd be different for Strange for sure. Since he's a former surgeon I'd have considered something more...I dunno...classy like using his magic in battle then performing surgery on those that violate interdimensional law to lobotomize them so they can't break laws and do black arts or poo poo. A sort of Negotiator - Arbitrator - Contracts guy who keeps order between the realms, protects the 616, calls on the power of the hosts of his power and spells, and exercises a less brawling method of violence than an axe.
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Codependent Poster posted:Nah, they said that he'll just bust out more magical weapons when needed. So rather than just stand around and cast spells he'll get more info the thick of things. Awww, man. 
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Gynovore posted:Strange's power level has always been "Whatever the heck the story requires". Strange is the biggest jobber of the Marvel universe outside of his own stories.
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