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Travis343 posted:See, I hate this line of thought because this leads to 'tactical realism' that has every superhero coated in overly-busy body armor, which is lame and boring. I don't really care how practical or protective a superhero's costume is, even if they're vulnerable to bullets. This is comic books, I can buy that the bad guys are Stormtroopers who are really bad shots if it means there's some creativity and uniqueness to everybody's costume. This has lead to modern day superheroes in Batman-style body armor while Batman himself is basically Iron Man with a cape. It's loving awful, visually, in a medium where anybody can look like anything, the artists are now hung up on 'realism' and poo poo. Realism would mean none of these characters existing in the first place. That is some hardcore cherry-picking considering I had a whole paragraph on how I'm not against impractical or skimpy outfits provided it makes some sense for the character wearing them. Psylocke? I don't buy it. Emma Frost? I buy it. Lurdiak posted:Everytime someone posts lovely Emma Frost art, someone defends it. I don't get it. Because she's a good character and the somewhat rare case of a pin-up character who manages to have their cake and eat it. That Quitely cover is definitely ugly though.
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redbackground posted:Those are very cool. I was thinking it was maybe Timothy Truman as I was scrolling down, but as soon as you said his name, DUH. He did an amazing issue of Doom2099 earlier on and I really wish he was able to do more. Yuck. Really? I actually chuckled at the first one.
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mind the walrus posted:That is some hardcore cherry-picking considering I had a whole paragraph on how I'm not against impractical or skimpy outfits provided it makes some sense for the character wearing them. Psylocke? I don't buy it. Emma Frost? I buy it. Sorry, wasn't trying to attack you specifically, but posting about a trend in superhero books lately that bugs me a lot. I cropped out the other paragraphs because they were your personal opinions which may or may not be relevant to said trend, not trying to put words in your mouth.
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Travis343 posted:Sorry, wasn't trying to attack you specifically, but posting about a trend in superhero books lately that bugs me a lot. I cropped out the other paragraphs because they were your personal opinions which may or may not be relevant to said trend, not trying to put words in your mouth. That's fair. I do generally agree. The trend--especially at DC--of having to make everything "tactical" regardless of which character is wearing the outfit (hi Flash) is ridiculous. I also agree that Batman-who-is-basically-Iron Man is ridiculous, but then again Batman's almost in a class unto himself in terms of underlying ridiculousness tearing apart his entire premise, complicated by the fact that he's the most popular superhero in the world bar none.
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Mind if I post some more Emma Frost just to keep this derail going? Here is some from Kaare Andrews (who's artwork I actually really like usually)   
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Madkal posted:Mind if I post some more Emma Frost just to keep this derail going?
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There's a fine line between parody and grotesque. And between satire and just being the thing you're satirising.
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I think drawing a super sexed up character grotesquely is pretty good parody honestly
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Yeah, let's just ignore that Storm has the same proportions.
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I see no indication that this is parody of any kind.
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Lurdiak posted:I see no indication that this is parody of any kind. Her breasts are so big she has to shelf them on the back of that chair. If it isn't at least poking a little fun then Andrews is the least self-aware artist in the industry.
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Wendell posted:Yeah, let's just ignore that Storm has the same proportions. The black and yellow having a tapering effect isn't helping but Storms hips are wider than Cyclops yet the waist isn't even half as wide.  Also are those pouches on Emma's platform combat boots?
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That's from "Xenogenesis" and the art in it is so awful in general I posted it earlier in the thread. I've seen other stuff by Kaare Andrews so I have no idea what the hell happened here.
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Could anybody point me in the direction of a good Enrique Alcatena story? That GL art is up my ally.
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Wendell posted:Yeah, let's just ignore that Storm has the same proportions. Not empty quoting this. e: nice upskirt too!
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Flesh Forge posted:Not empty quoting this. I feel it's generous to call that a skirt to up. Fully pulled down from straight ahead, the viewer would still be getting an eyeful of whatever that is underneath.
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Wendell posted:Yeah, let's just ignore that Storm has the same proportions. Well her boobs aren't also on display to emphasize said bad proportions. Like, whatever, Emma Frost is a character who flaunts her sexuality, that doesn't make it an excuse for bad art in awful outfits.
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TwoPair posted:Well her boobs aren't also on display to emphasize said bad proportions. There's also the issue that she's not a real person and their score only "does" things at the whims of the artists and writers who are almost never women. It's like a white political cartoonist who draws a black character and then acts like that is representative of the black community.
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Welllll on the other hand even among comic book characters, Emma Frost is a very fake person, so 
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Good writers can take a character like Emma Frost and emphasize that she's kind of a broken person and her brazen "empowered" sexuality is an act to hide some severe emotional issues. Bad writers will take Emma's act at face value and write her that way, which is kind of ironic really. This kind of thing is a problem with any character that's written by different people over time, re: nearly all superhero comics characters. You can make all the "Batman has deep psychological issues and is probably doing a lot of harm" stories you like (re: Morrison and McKean's "Arkham Asylum", Darwyn Cooke's "Ego") and it doesn't matter if the next book just needs him to be a cool emotionless badass (re: nearly everything else).
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The weirdest thing about this image is the scale of each character. Scott is supposed to be 6'3", so that would put Emma at a little over 5', Wolverine at like 4'8", and Kitty at like 4' or less.
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Fish Of Doom posted:The weirdest thing about this image is the scale of each character. Scott is supposed to be 6'3", so that would put Emma at a little over 5', Wolverine at like 4'8", and Kitty at like 4' or less. And what's with the hips on the ladies? Did they all recently give birth to a Volkswagen?
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Fish Of Doom posted:The weirdest thing about this image is the scale of each character. Scott is supposed to be 6'3", so that would put Emma at a little over 5', Wolverine at like 4'8", and Kitty at like 4' or less. Yeah, you'd think wolverine would be shorter.
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Also, that's not Kitty, fairly sure it's Armor.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Thanks for the food for thought. Sorry to keep a derail and not post funny panels, but I just want to make some closing remarks after pondering what y'all posted. That;s cool and makes perfect sense; hope you enjoy having dudes with totally inane thoughts on the subject talk past you for 10 pages
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For my part I am happy to have contributed  Pictured: totally not a low effort paintover of a Poser render  I like how you can actually see polygon edges in the bottom of the cape e: I am the dumb impossible edge lighting on shadowed parts of his body I am also his really bad rig, that's actually worse than usual for Poser figures Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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He should probably see someone about that growth on his left thigh.
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zoux posted:Greg Land has taken an apprentice. I guess it's not technically safe for work. For anyone interested, the artist is Mark Beachum. I wouldn't recommend searching for "Mark Beachum art" on Google at work, though. He's done fan art of Marvel characters that is nearly pornographic in the "detail" that leaks through the costume. Even worse than this cover.
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Fish Of Doom posted:The weirdest thing about this image is the scale of each character. Scott is supposed to be 6'3", so that would put Emma at a little over 5', Wolverine at like 4'8", and Kitty at like 4' or less. Part of that is the trick of perspective, as the three on the right are several feet ahead of the rest. If Logan caught up he'd probably be maybe like 2 inches taller than Emma. Kitty meanwhile looks absolutely tiny, and Hank's enormous, being even farther behind than the other two.
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Choco1980 posted:Part of that is the trick of perspective, as the three on the right are several feet ahead of the rest. If Logan caught up he'd probably be maybe like 2 inches taller than Emma. Kitty meanwhile looks absolutely tiny, and Hank's enormous, being even farther behind than the other two. Ohh, now I get it. It's just that Storm and Emma's breasts and hips are much closer to us, while the rest of them are off in the distance.
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Obese FYAD Reject posted:For anyone interested, the artist is Mark Beachum. I wouldn't recommend searching for "Mark Beachum art" on Google at work, though. He's done fan art of Marvel characters that is nearly pornographic in the "detail" that leaks through the costume. Even worse than this cover. Wow uh...this looks like it would be really uncomfortable  http://i.imgur.com/xyNjgcr.jpg
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Fish Of Doom posted:Wow uh...this looks like it would be really uncomfortable 
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No you see it's transgressive, it's confrontational It's EMPOWERING John Carter: the Gods of Mars, artwork by Ramon Perez. I love everything about this. I think it is good in pretty much every way.  
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Fish Of Doom posted:Wow uh...this looks like it would be really uncomfortable I like the painted style. He could probably do something decent with that that's not porn. A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Could anybody point me in the direction of a good Enrique Alcatena story? That GL art is up my ally. I would also like this, those pieces looked absolutely fantastic.
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To be fair yeah he sometimes shows really great technique and style, he's just super relentless with the exaggerated cameltoe/nipples thing. He's also a fan of Proctologist Angle. Apparently for every 100 squack pics he draws, he does one good one: (even this is a bit bad in the cameltoe department but otherwise it's really nice)  The wonk in the hands make me pretty sure it's traced but at least it's traced well  e: it says 86 but I have a hard time believing somebody could progress so little in 30 years 
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Obese FYAD Reject posted:For anyone interested, the artist is Mark Beachum. I wouldn't recommend searching for "Mark Beachum art" on Google at work, though. He's done fan art of Marvel characters that is nearly pornographic in the "detail" that leaks through the costume. Even worse than this cover. Isn't he the guy who painted Supergirl as a rape victim?
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prefect posted:Don't labiashame. Dog unless her labia go up to her belly button that's not her drat labia, that's a big ol' dick
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catlord posted:I like the painted style. He could probably do something decent with that that's not porn. Hell he would be better off just doing straight up porn without trying to dress it up as superhero fan art.
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 That is actually what he does, he's a paid and very prolific artist that makes a lot of wank comics.e: Jesus Christ he really has been drawing professionally since the 80s. I guess he realized nobody jacking off to your illustration is really going to be looking at the hands/feet. Always bothers me when I see that kind of thing, hyper detailed titties and muff with chicken scratch hands. Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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Obese FYAD Reject posted:For anyone interested, the artist is Mark Beachum. I wouldn't recommend searching for "Mark Beachum art" on Google at work, though. He's done fan art of Marvel characters that is nearly pornographic in the "detail" that leaks through the costume. Even worse than this cover. Jesus the very first wave of results are superheroines--including the perennially underaged Supergirl--showing bare asses. "Nearly pornographic" my own hairy rear end. Flesh Forge posted:
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