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Jazerus posted:Taking captives in war as slaves was already an established practice, but more like Roman or Ottoman slavery than chattel slavery. The good that really escalated things was not tobacco but guns; good old "arm one side, profit" imperialism. This established a vicious cycle of trading slaves for guns (and other stuff, yes) so that you could dominate your neighbors to sell them for more stuff. Sounds like the George Carlin bit. "You've gotta get stuff from the Europeans, then get more stuff to guard your stuff from your neighbors, then go capture your neighbors with your stuff so you can trade with the Europeans to get more stuff!" My Face When posted:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-cancels-the-cycle/ Just as long as they don't touch Rachel Maddow. Obdicut posted:Why do you think there's a relationship between Christianity and ending slavery? The British were fully Christianized by 1086 and had a 10% slave population. Pretty sure they were joking. At least, I hope so.
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icantfindaname posted:I love abortion and I lust for the death of white baby girls According to The Great Courses lectures by Prof. Kenneth W. Harl ("The Vikings", naturally) on Audible, when they converted, they were told to stop enslaving other Christians. Slavery itself still existed.
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Mister Macys posted:According to The Great Courses lectures by Prof. Kenneth W. Harl ("The Vikings", naturally) on Audible, when they converted, they were told to stop enslaving other Christians. Slavery itself still existed. And that was mostly a side-effect of being told to stop attacking other Christians.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323 The GOP Field literally all seems like identical versions of the president from "The Dead Zone" May God help us all.
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http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_mike_pence_s_investigation_of_planned_parenthood_finds_zero_violations As a Hoosier myself, I must happily report that Pence can get hosed and I hope somebody sends him the bill for the taxpayer dollars he wasted on this transparently manufactured scandal Maybe now if he's so concerned with rooting out illegal activity he'll investigate CMP for their fraudulent IRShahaha yeah right edit - "I wonder what Trump thinks about this" is as prevalent as ever and it must make the reactionary evangelical branch of the GOP furious
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"A civil society cannot function when it contains multiple different cultures." Levin today. I'm serious. I'm not paraphrasing this. I'm sure if any major media figure cared enough about his dumb rear end to take him to task for it, he would deny how horrifically racist and unAmerican it is by explaining that he's not saying different races and cultures can't come here, they just have to whiten up as soon as they do  Bonus: "Jonah Goldberg had a couple good columns but if his mom weren't in the publishing biz he'd be cutting corned beef in Brooklyn." - Michael "Savage" "gently caress the Jews" Weiner
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Obdicut posted:And that was mostly a side-effect of being told to stop attacking other Christians. Well, it's the neighbourly thing to do.  Still plenty of pagan Slavs to go around.
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Bill O'Reilly: "You hear the insane rhetoric on cable news every night."
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Hazo posted:"A civil society cannot function when it contains multiple different cultures." Levin today. I'm serious. I'm not paraphrasing this. Right Wing media is literally sounding more and more like a GTA parody at this point. Seriously that's a JOKE in GTA V with Danny McBride saying it. quote:There we go. See, that is an enlightening and instructive tale about the danger of excessive travel. Multiculturalism is heathen-ism! If God wanted us to co-mingle, he would have invented the land of opportunity where we could migrate and create a glorious monoculture. But that ain't happening because it ain't right!
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Obdicut posted:Why do you think there's a relationship between Christianity and ending slavery? The British were fully Christianized by 1086 and had a 10% slave population. Christianity played a foundational role in the recognition of the individual as the basic component of society (which is the basis of western liberalism,) it just took a millenia and a half or so for us to conclude that owning people as property was neither cool nor good.
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Jurgan posted:Sounds like the George Carlin bit. "You've gotta get stuff from the Europeans, then get more stuff to guard your stuff from your neighbors, then go capture your neighbors with your stuff so you can trade with the Europeans to get more stuff!" George Carlin should have done documentaries; it's the only thing he could have done that was more education than his actual act short of getting elected to office.
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baw posted:Christianity played a foundational role in the recognition of the individual as the basic component of society (which is the basis of western liberalism,) it just took a millenia and a half or so for us to conclude that owning people as property was neither cool nor good. The first part is highly arguable, the second part means the first part, even if true, is of very limited utility when talking about stuff like slavery. I think you're giving Christianity credit that actually goes to schools of thought that happened to develop inside Christianity because everyone was Christian. Hazo posted:"A civil society cannot function when it contains multiple different cultures." Levin today. I'm serious. I'm not paraphrasing this. One thing I wonder is where these people draw the dividing line for 'culture'? Because you can draw it anywhere. You go to England and you'll see English people asserting a strong cultural divide between the North and the South, between London and not-London. Go to Italy and every city has its own cultural identity.
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Obdicut posted:The first part is highly arguable, the second part means the first part, even if true, is of very limited utility when talking about stuff like slavery. I think you're giving Christianity credit that actually goes to schools of thought that happened to develop inside Christianity because everyone was Christian. The early Christian hermetic movements opened the door for viewing people as something other than their status within their family or community. It was a radical break from a tradition that went all the way back to pre-history and the hearth as the basic building block of society. These movements took place before Constantine's conversion. It's probably worth noting that this isn't something I'm making up as I go along, it's a central theme in Larry Siedentop's Inventing the Individual. baw fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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baw posted:
Read this critical review of his book to understand that his view, while an interesting addition to scholarly works about the development of thought of individual, isn't the established fact you're presented it to be, but a highly disputed theory. It's cool that it obviously inspired you, but that he wrote a book claiming that doesn't mean it's been established as true fact; most people aren't convinced by it. http://bostonreview.net/books-ideas/samuel-moyn-larry-siedentop-christianity-liberalism-history Edit: Also, since we're wildly off-topic: A library managed to successfully fight the Tea Party in order to stay open in a really interesting way: By proposing to burn the books. http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/07/brilliant-way-to-push-back-the-senile-old-teabaggers-try-something-like-this/ baw posted:You claim this while posting one critical review, but there are many other reviewers (and scholars) who generally accept his conclusions. Yes, some people like his conclusions. Lots of other people don't--he is heterodox. Just don't present the theory as though it's fact. The growth of the idea of the individual is a highly complex topic that doesn't have any simple or easy answer to, and certainly nothing that we can state definitively in the sweeping way that you did. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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Obdicut posted:most people aren't convinced by it. You claim this while posting one critical review, but there are many other reviewers (and scholars) who generally accept his conclusions. I will certainly give that article a read though. edit: there is a good discussion in the comments section of the review that you linked baw fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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oh Huckabee, don't ever stop. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/mike_huckabee_as_president_id.html quote:Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said if elected president he would not rule out deploying federal forces and the FBI to prevent abortions.
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Obdicut posted:
"Wait, didn't another library do something exactly like this years ago? With the help of some ad agency?" and yeah the video says they voted on Aug 2nd to save the library. This is actually from 2011 and it was concocted by Leo Burnett.
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Hazo posted:"A civil society cannot function when it contains multiple different cultures." Levin today. I'm serious. I'm not paraphrasing this. Do the world a favor and send the timestamp and MP3 URL to Media Matters. I started listening to Mark Levin about 2 years ago on a lark just so I could contribute more to this thread. Over time I became convinced he is one of the most insanely outwardly racist people on terrestrial radio. Other hosts try to dog whistle more, but Levin just says stuff like that straight all the time. He does racist accents, and all his guest hosts are also insane racists to boot. Levin is a white supremacist who happens to be Jewish, and uses his cultural Judaism to deflect all criticisms of racism or anti-semitism. He is, however, quite often extremely anti-semetic when he starts talking about American Jewish people to the point that he uses the classic tactic of calling Jon Stewart, "Jon Stewart Leibowitz." My dream is to drive that fucker off the air, and so if you could send timestamps of the most egregious bits to Media Matters I would be grateful. The only thing keeping him on the air now is that nobody listens to his show. He claims amazing ratings for his time slot all the time, but he's in a dead time slot after drive time but pre-evening. If he ever got more listeners he'd be driven off the air in a few months. I want his wingnut welfare to dry up. I should do a post about how he doctor's his listener numbers some time. ErIog fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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Hurr there were jewishnazis. Antisemitism is caused by secret self hating Jews amirite? Totally not a problem in mainstream society. I get it. You are using jewishness as an insult. But that is ok since it's against a particular type of self hating Jew.
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ErIog posted:Do the world a favor and send the timestamp and MP3 URL to Media Matters. I started listening to Mark Levin about 2 years ago on a lark just so I could contribute more to this thread. Over time I became convinced he is one of the most insanely outwardly racist people on terrestrial radio. Other hosts try to dog whistle more, but Levin just says stuff like that straight all the time. He does racist accents, and all his guest hosts are also insane racists to boot.
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Hazo posted:"A civil society cannot function when it contains multiple different cultures." Levin today. I'm serious. I'm not paraphrasing this. I know this isn't a new new idea for the far right, but the idea is starting to come back around in popularity among the hard right crazies. I've seen various screeds about multiculturalism and multiple languages being spoken being the death of countries and thats how america is going to be destroyed.
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Branis posted:I know this isn't a new new idea for the far right, but the idea is starting to come back around in popularity among the hard right crazies. I've seen various screeds about multiculturalism and multiple languages being spoken being the death of countries and thats how america is going to be destroyed. Yeah, it's symptomatic of the existential stress that white men are feeling over the very slow erosion of their institutional power in America. For people who've grown up taking it for granted that they'll get all of what they want every time, the fact that they're just getting most of what they want most of the time is causing a shitload of angst.
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Rush was getting in on the Planned Parenthood thing yesterday. He mentioned that he'd held back on commenting about the story until that day (Friday 7/31/2015). He went hard on it. Describing the of the processes used in a procedure slowly with dead air for effect. He sold it as most heinous despicable thing one could imagine. On the local AM station the story is always present in the background of any other topic. It's now a symbol of the Mainstream Media ignoring stories because of their leftist slant. I listened to a bit of Hannity on Thursday and well you know...He's just lovely Hannity.  I don't really know what to say other than the Planned Parenthood thing is weird. I get that it's red meat for the base, but at the political level, removing the emotional arguments, it seems so cynical to attempt to defund Planned Parenthood. The odd thing is that since most of the money that goes to Planned Parenthood federally comes from Medicaid in the form of preventative healthcare and it seems the courts have already blocked attempts by states to disallow the use of Medicaid funds. So I guess what I'm saying is this seems to be a big stink that will amount to not much? Am I reading it wrong?
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Rush was getting in on the Planned Parenthood thing yesterday. He mentioned that he'd held back on commenting about the story until that day (Friday 7/31/2015). He went hard on it. Describing the of the processes used in a procedure slowly with dead air for effect. He sold it as most heinous despicable thing one could imagine. it's more about getting voters out than anything else, I think.
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James Garfield posted:Bill O'Reilly: "You hear the insane rhetoric on cable news every night." Now I have to share this picture again. I call it irony.png: 
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pentyne posted:"Nu-uh! You totally kept in touch with us to sell us baby parts, just try and prove us wrong! Prove that you rejected our contract in writing, PROVE IT OR YOUR BABY ORGAN SELLERS!" How much dumber can these people get. What the gently caress is this logic. "What are you doing? You don't work here!" "Yeah? Show me the contract I signed where I agreed that I DON'T work in this store. Checkmate! Give me my paycheck."
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Mister Macys posted:According to The Great Courses lectures by Prof. Kenneth W. Harl ("The Vikings", naturally) on Audible, when they converted, they were told to stop enslaving other Christians. Slavery itself still existed. Ding ding ding. Heck, there were tremendous slapfights between Spanish property owners in the Americas (who liked having pagans around for labor) and the Catholic church (who for dome reason wanted to convert as many pagans possible and thereby give them more rights under Spanish law  ).
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Iowa Snow King posted:Brian Williams and Chuck Todd? Why not just take the channel out back and shoot it? I've been thinking the real reason MSNBC's been struggling is they're targeting an audience that doesn't watch cable as much as Fox News' audience.
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Vertical Lime posted:I've been thinking the real reason MSNBC's been struggling is they're targeting an audience that doesn't watch cable as much as Fox News' audience. Cable news has become so horrible in the last 20 years that viewers who care about objective factual reporting abandoned it long ago. The ones who loyally watch it now have been dumbed-down, conditioned like the proverbial frog in boiling water. Integrity has no appeal anymore, therefore isn't profitable. MSNBC is obviously trying to grab the attention of the dumbed downers who now make up the vast majority of cable viewers, which is why they do poo poo like aggressively promote Morning Joe even though it has always tanked in the ratings.
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beatlegs posted:Cable news has become so horrible in the last 20 years that viewers who care about objective factual reporting abandoned it long ago. The ones who loyally watch it now have been dumbed-down, conditioned like the proverbial frog in boiling water. Integrity has no appeal anymore, therefore isn't profitable. MSNBC is obviously trying to grab the attention of the dumbed downers who now make up the vast majority of cable viewers, which is why they do poo poo like aggressively promote Morning Joe even though it has always tanked in the ratings. Morning Joe is an amazing continuous trainwreck. They are the parody "Morning News Talk Show Team That Unsubtly Hates Each Other On Air" come to life. I don't think I've ever seen a co-anchor duo with as much naked existential despisal of one another as Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.
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Oh David Barton  quote:Then, Congress has passed what’s called ENDA, Employment Non-Discrimination Act, passed this in ’06 under Pelosi and Reid and at that point in time, it says you cannot discriminate on the basis of hiring. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/07/23/david-barton-churches-are-required-to-hire-pedophiles-to-run-church-nurseries/
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CommieGIR posted:Oh David Barton Sometimes it's hard to believe that only 25 years have passed since they decided that segregation was wrong.
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codenameFANGIO posted:Sometimes it's hard to believe that only 25 years have passed since they decided that segregation was wrong. Does he even realize that in this analogy he's on the side of the segregationists? Does he care? Also, no, ENDA is not law. It should be (or at least some version of it), but it's not.
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